United Negro College Fund

Can all races get schollarships from the UNCF????

proabaly not, sounds like a racist organization.

I did!! I'm white as snow!! [the application I got for books never asked!]

I would imagine that its for black folks only. I dont think that being racist since the fund comes from private donations. Nothing wrong with that at all.

well if a company getting its money from private consumers doesn't hire a minority, somehow I think your arguement falls apart:)

Sure its racist. Anything encouraging the belief in "races" is racist. Saying that one kid deserves something because his skin is a darker shade than another kid because some guy hundreds of years ago with dark skin had to do something for some guy with lighter skin is rather "silly", unless ofcourse you've been raised in a culture that praises it.


To quote monty python,

ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!

DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

i think it's just for poor black kids, helps get them outta ghettos....
I remember they had an add for UNCF at the beginning of the movie "Boyz N the Hood"

This kinda goes along the same premise, but ive always believed that FUBU was racist. i mean, come on. how dumb do you have to be to not get "For Us, By Us". quite frankly, it pisses me off.

I'm not trying to imply there's something "wrong" with it giving aid to the kids that it gives aid to. Just that the whole "race" element of the selection process is rather silly

it was started by black people that wanna help their communities, i see nothin wrong with that. there are enough funds that help white people

A fact: 1 in 20 guys in compton don't make it to the age of 21

that's a statistic from the early 90s, i don't know if it's gotten better or worse since then

why not just set up a fund for kids from poor inner city neighborhoods?

g$, name one fund which publically admits to exclusively supporting "whites"

If a fund was set up to aid whites only, it would be labeled a "white supremesist organiazation" plain and simple. The plain fact is that whites already get more financial aid than blacks or any other race even though tons of financial aid is "exclusive" to non-whites. I think it's a good thing that we have the UNCF even though they should ask more questions:D .

Originally posted by enginerd
If a fund was set up to aid whites only, it would be labeled a "white supremesist organiazation" plain and simple. The plain fact is that whites already get more financial aid than blacks or any other race even though tons of financial aid is "exclusive" to non-whites. I think it's a good thing that we have the UNCF even though they should ask more questions:D .

VS there's my answer right there :D

and i never said there are lots exclusively for white people... just almost every aid a white person can participate in

How about we not change this threads topic and go to the "Philosophizing" forum and debate "Racism" in the "Racism Thread" that is there.:D

Originally posted by V.S.
g$, name one fund which publically admits to exclusively supporting "whites"

http://members.aol.com/calebj/scholarships.html
http://www.sonsofutahpioneers.org/p6300.htm
http://www.free-4u.com/daughters_of_the_american_revolution_good_citizens _award.htm

And there are tons of scholarships for 'minority' caucasians in the US (Polish, Italian, Spanish, etc.)

All of these have strict rules about the lineage and race of the applicants. In these cases, it limits the scholarship to a specific segment of the US caucasian population.

But your point is still taken that AFAIK, there is no scholarship available for all "whites" as a class, similar to the UNCF. Perhaps the New Sons of Liberty or some other exclusively white organization does though...
:cool:

but lets say if UNCF gave aid according to its current formula, except without the "race" thing, how would that not be better?

How can using "race" to determine anything be a good thing? Is a person ever better for being of one "race" as opposed to another?

well in those inner-city areas (such as compton) most people are black..... and a white boy would probably get shot there, lol :D

they should just make it like the inner-city fund, cause actually there is the occasional white guy :D I remember watcing this video somebody made for a rapper that died, Big L from Harlem. 103 and Lennox (i think that's it) is where he got shot, it's like one of the most dangerous parts of the harlem, and he used to always hang around a basketball court there. Well when i was watchin this thing where they talked to all of big Ls friends there, there were 2 white guys all thugged out juss chillin, and they were all friends...... i was shocked :D

same with a white rapper named remedy, i think he lived in queens... and he was the drug dealer for wu-tang, now he raps for them

i feel a government controled organization should step in and distribute the funding to those that need it, such as poorer kids that could make it real big in life if they were just able to afford a college education, and funding to those that perform top 5% of their class. the funding should not be distributed by who and what you are, but by what you can do.

The trouble with this kind of fund is that they get hijacked by the legal industry.Here in NZ, us Maori(I can legally claim to be a Maori but realistically speaking am 7/8 Pakeha)were given a big chunk of fisheries rights to settle an outstanding treaty debt.
That was several years ago,the lawyers have been squabbling about who gets what ever since, and the board of trustees get a big salary while the people who should really be benefiting have seen zip.

this is the same way i feel about the NAACP, they have long outlived their intended purpose and are nothing more then a way for black people to get anything they want

here in baltimore if you are black you get anything and everything for free, frees food free housing, free job where you cant be fired it just pisses me off

if you want to get out of the ghetto thats fine but don't bring the ghetto with you when you leave get a freaking education and stop calling race


b/c of the NAACP cops have quotas on how many black people they can pull over, this is total BS, as is the fact the they claim the death penalty is racist, just b/c there happen to be more black people on death row right now then white total freaking BS

yeah, im with focalblur, all these race specific groups are a big wad of crap......i mean, if we wanna bring up the slave issue, then we should mention that most african tribes had other african tribes as slaves.....

...............anything whatsoever based on race is complete and utter ignorance..........its the 21st century guys, i mean, come on, we're better than this crap........

Originally posted by focalBlur

here in baltimore if you are black you get anything and everything for free, frees food free housing, free job where you cant be fired it just pisses me off


that's bullshit...
maybe you're racist? :D

anybody can get that free not just african-americans

Yeah, there are just as many lazy ass white people as there are lazy ass black people, so i agree with gang$tarr...

but, the whole cop qouta/ college admissions/ employee hiring of so many african americans is fucked up

Originally posted by 328isRob
Can all races get schollarships from the UNCF????

Yes. All you have to do is apply. There also, are quite a few Caucazoids who get minority/diversity scholarships to predominately Black Colleges.

as far as i can see, or what i ignorantly see is a thread full of NON-GHETTO living people, who THINK they have some type of incling as to what its like growing up in a minority hood...

why are you so mad that blacks and hispanics get some free help in certain instances, all i know for fact is that the 23 years i spent in harlem were far from being memorable...

this rant is aimed at those living in the U.S. not to those abroad...

yes ANYONE can apply, and so long as your school records are upto par then your file is reviewed and then approved or declined..

Originally posted by taranaki
The trouble with this kind of fund is that they get hijacked by the legal industry.Here in NZ, us Maori(I can legally claim to be a Maori but realistically speaking am 7/8 Pakeha)were given a big chunk of fisheries rights to settle an outstanding treaty debt.
That was several years ago,the lawyers have been squabbling about who gets what ever since, and the board of trustees get a big salary while the people who should really be benefiting have seen zip.

Yeah here in NZ we have whats called the Treaty of Waitangi. It was written when the english colonised NZ. It stated the Maori (local people) were entitled fishing and land rights, and all sorts of other things. That was a couple hundred years ago or however long. It is still used today by activist Maori to demand things. "We have a Treaty we are entitled this". I'm not saying all Maori are like this, I know a few who could really give a sh*t. Personally, and I don't intent to offend anyone from NZ by this, but the treaty should be burned and forgotten about. If you look at what happened in the US with the Native Americans, the Maori got off lightly when NZ got colonised.

the thing that I don't like is this.

you can have all black colleges.. funds for blacks only.. even for hispanics only. but those don't get ridculed. BUT if you were to have an all white school or an all white fund, it gets labeled as being racist.. to me that's a double standard. I personally don't care if there is an all white or an all black school/college fund, but the double standard does bother me..

I personally am very offended and quite often angered by racsism and bigotry, however, I find it quite absurd that if I was a business owner I could be sued for not hiring a black person if they applied for a job with my company. Now personally speaking, I wouldn't care what color they were as long as they were qualified, but suppose I didn't want to hire them because of their race. Shouldn't the right to free speech and free thought include the right to be ignorant and biased? I don't think the government has a right to dictate which biases are ok and which biases are not.It's ridiculous! You can be "open minded" and "speak freely" as long as you think exactly like they want you to.It's kind of funny really, you're considered open minded as long as you're views are liberal, but otherwise you're a closed-minded right wing activist. Who's closed-minded now? I'm waaaay off topic so I'm going to stop.

Originally posted by marc49
the thing that I don't like is this.

you can have all black colleges.. funds for blacks only.. even for hispanics only. but those don't get ridculed. BUT if you were to have an all white school or an all white fund, it gets labeled as being racist.. to me that's a double standard. I personally don't care if there is an all white or an all black school/college fund, but the double standard does bother me..

Huh? What are you talking about? There are plenty of all-white schools. Ever heard of BYU, Idaho, even Texas A&M? There is no double standard. Black colleges came about simply because of all-white institutions of higher education didn't allow miniorities to attend. They are still about today because there is still racism at the university level. And don't give me the crap about having BET and Univision, being that ABC, NBC, and CBS are basically W.E.T. except for when they show "Roots" and the Latin Grammys. Face the facts, whites (aside from California) are the majority in the US. That being said, it has been proven that diversity enhances ones educational experience. So of course universities want to provide minorities, who would not otherwise go to college, the opportunity to attend via grants and scholarships. And contrary to popular belief it is hard to get these scholarships and they are not handed out just because you show that you are a certain race. That's just plain BS and an urban legend. And many people say they dont care, but the fact is people do. They feel slighted, and they spread lies like the ones we see here. They tell their friends that they didn't get a job because they weren't black, they say they didn't get a scholarship because they weren't black and then they say it they aren't racist and it doesn't bother them in the next sentence.

Furthermore, the comment about blacks in the Baltimore area is pile of crap. I won't go as far as to say it is racist, but there is no truth to it whatsover. The whole welfare system is set up to help out people who ARE POOR, are single/new mothers, or are struggling and is not based on race. Now if many black people in the B-More fit that criteria, then thats how you get your facts all skewed. Then again the Baltimore/ DC area also has the richest black communities in the US...so I guess they must be getting free money too?

i don't believe there are all-white schools
prove this to me

Wow. Coming from an Australian point of view, it would seem that the racism problem would really diminish in impact at least if both 'blacks' and 'whites' would just not pay it any attention. We are all humans and the designation of black and white are bullshit anyway. More like pink and brown. Anyway, nuff sed.