Mustang GT vs Dodge Stealth

I dont know about you, but I love going around racing mustang's in my area. I call it "mustang huntin'" It was about 6:30 yesterday and I was just out driving around with my one buddy. It ws this red mustang and i was on my way home, and i got into the turning lane and sped past him, and then he got right on my ass behind me. Followed me, as I was flooring it, he couldnt keep up for shit. Got to the stop sign " i was like, alright this pussy wants to race" hung a right, and messed with him a little bit. Got to a red light and put my hand out the window like lets go. He reved his engine LOL it sounded like a 4 cyl. neon. And of course like anyone else I reved mine, although this was a single lane so we couldnt race yet. He followed me until we could get to an intersection to race. I was at the redlight, waiting for a good moment with no cars for both of us to go at it on opposite sides, but with me i pulled out a little to early and so i had to got on the right side and go slow just to wait for him. Here he comes flying by me, i get over in the lane throw it down in second and by the time i was at like 4000 rpm's in 3rd i was on his ass completely and there was no sign of him slowing up. Although, i couldnt get on the right side because the traffic was completely horrible. He had to slam on his brakes a few times, but I stayed on his ass completely. Although this one time i broke over into the right side and got right next to him when we were already going at it. I would have passed him but a rather big mack truck was infront of me so i had to slow down and get back over. Unfortunatly, like every race they eventually turn off. KInda mad because there was no chance to get around him. I saw the look on his face when i pulled up next to him, it was great.

I didn't think the NAs could beat GT stangs, not that I didn't try to race them lol.

I always thought the N/A's could beat Rustang GT's, those things are slow. My 1988 Formula 350 Firebird beat a 2000 Mustang GT from 0-100 mph ahead by a car length the whole time, shut it down after that. I've been "hunting" for a Mustang to race in my SL but I haven't seen any lately, once Spring hits they'll be on every corner though.

[QUOTE=Twizted_3KGT]I always thought the N/A's could beat Rustang GT'sQUOTE]

That's incorrect. A stock N/A Stealth for 3000GT will not beat a Mustang GT. They will easily walk a V6 Mustang, but not a V8. The "Rustang" GT, as you put it, is a HAIR slower than the notch we have, which is dead even with my VR4. I would suggest to the author either he ran into a V8 wannabee, or a V8 that played lightly.

well yes and no, the newer GTs are 14 second cars out of the box. but the older 4.6 GTs are beatable. I have seen many 3000GT VS. Mustang GT runs and they can go either way. just gotta know what your going up against. I believe him though, specially if it was an auto, those Stangs have horrid auto boxes. sweet run man, very sweet.

Project 1, do have ne mods or are u stock??? There's a 98' GT at my school who wants a go at me, but I told him no.

What year GT was it? Even with an auto, I would say a 99+ would beat an NA 3s. Previous to 99 though, this outcome would certainly make sense.

I raced a 2002 gt with my 99 sl and I got beat but it wasn't terrible...Like 3 car lengths MAYBE but still. I think it's possible to take a mustang gt but the guy i raced definitely was better with a stick than me cuz his launch was so clean...he launched almost as if it had awd but was able to keep it to just a chirp off the line, i was impressed. I still think mustang gts put too much torque down though for a stock vs stock win for a 3000gt...but a few decent enough mods and that na is gonna eat that stang...and vice versa. I wouldn't recommend showing your shit off to a gt unless u know u can beat him cuzz ur gonna look like a fool when he jumps off the line on u.

he raced a V6, listen to his story again "it sound like a 4 cylinder neon"

V8's do not sound like neons

further more, a 99 gt is like racing a 1st gen vr4
low 14's high 13's in the 1320. thats a good second and some change ahead at the finish line.
and fox body's are nothing to play with either

^^^ well Jag1718 are u stock, w/ the SOHC engine?

how would the race come about with the DOHC?

I think it's possible to take a mustang gt but the guy i raced definitely was better with a stick than me cuz his launch was so clean...he launched almost as if it had awd but was able to keep it to just a chirp off the line, i was impressed.
I disagree. there's no way a NA 3000GT could take a stang GT from a stop. The fact is that the stang GT already has more power, but since he's got RWD, he'll take a FWD anyday from a stop. Of course his launch is much cleaner, he doesn't have to deal with traction issues that the FWD guys have. Of course, if you were running slicks on a FWD, then you MIGHT have a chance.
I still think mustang gts put too much torque down though for a stock vs stock win for a 3000gt...but a few decent enough mods and that na is gonna eat that stang.
NO WAY. no way a NA 3000GT will 'eat that stang' from a stop. Even if the 3000GT has 'a few decent enough mods.' The RWD will take a FWD from a roll anyway. Also, the GT has more torque off the line. Unless you have something up your sleeve, have fun eating dust. A race from a roll MIGHT be a little different. Still he's got the torque AND hp on you. I've eaten V6 stangs all the time, there's no competition there. However, the V8 stang is clearly superior to the NA 3/S.

Just curious, what "few decent mods" would you recommend for the NA 3/S so that we could 'beat' the stang GT? I don't think there are any mods that would put us that much closer, but just curious as to what you were thinkin.

All in all, the VR4 is a good match for a GT. Not an NA.

There is so much BS going on here, First off Jag1718 is a DOHC, he said 99SL. Also RWD has more drivetrain loss than a FWD. 94-98 Mustang GT's are DOGS. They are very beatable by even stock DOHC's. My SOHC has even hung with them telling you how slow they are.;) 99 GT's are a whole nother ballpark though. So basically 94-98 GT's=VERY beatable by a NA 3s. From a roll, from a stop it doesnt matter. 99+= Game for the TT's.

One of my friends has a 2002 stang GT and he has whiped the crap out of quite a few 2000+ mustang GT's. When he went to the track he ran an amazing 14.6 best and many passes in the 15's. Lots of people cant launch a RWD correctly.

Yeah I was gonna say, where are you people getting these times, they're mid 14 to low 15 second cars (GT's) from what I know...unless its the Cobra (13's), they're DOGS as Stealthee said. I've raced against and driven them, and was never impressed. Now I don't know about the latest ones, but the 94-98 I say SL 5-speed vs GT 5-Speed, SL takes it to 100 mph. And btw the GT that I raced in my Formula was 99+ 5-Speed with intake and exhaust, and my SL is faster than my Formula (I think).

UH, sorry I take that last sentence back...I just discovered that my Formula runs low 14 stock, n/m about that SL being faster. Sad i've owned the Formula for almost 2 years, and I JUST found out the 1/4 mile time for stock. Now that makes me want to sell my SL instead of my Formula...hmmmm...oh well, now I don't know about this whole issue, so I take back everything I said, and if I happen to race a GT in my SL i'll let ya know what happens lol.

Nice kill man. I have a couple of mustang kills with my SL, from a stop my car doesn't seem to have as much pick up, but when it gets going, it really gets going. My favorite kill was on a Mach 1 off a roll on the freeway. This gunmetal Mach 1 was tailing me on I-5 heading to San Francisco, we were in the usual bit of traffic so there was not much we could do at first. Once we broke out, we were cruising at around 80mph, when he stopped playing cat and mouse and finally dropped the hammer. Likewise I did the same. He had the jump till we broke a hair over 100, by this time my SL started crawling ahead. And once 125 hit, it was a walk in the park. I was surprised I thought I was going to get creamed for sure. I have a 91 SL with flowmasters and custom piping and a K&N FIPK so I don't think I am pushing over maybe 235hp. The car also has 130k and a centerforce stage 1 performance clutch. The 3k is a pretty hefty car and the weight takes a toll at low end, well at least for the SL in my opinion, but once it gets rolling the thing can fly. I can't wait to get a VR4 though, AWD... too bad I sold my GSX, oh well sacrifices have to be made right?

Last time I checked a 99 3000gt SL was a DOHC engine putting out 218- 222 HP. However, I guess I don't know my own car and have never raced in my life.

On another note, Go Rams.

That I have to call BS on. A Mach 1 is a high 12 second car stock. 1/4 mile times play a factor into a roll race as well. Mach 1's also make about 305hp. They are definitely in TT territory. IF SL's aint beating 99+GT's they aint coming close to Mach1's.

Yall are making me want to find a 4.6Gt and race. I will find out soon, too many around here not to try. The only car that wanted to race me was an early model supra with a very loud blow off valve that was going to cream me. By the way is it me or are the 96 SL manuals sloooooooow from a start until 2nd gear?

That I have to call BS on. A Mach 1 is a high 12 second car stock. 1/4 mile times play a factor into a roll race as well. Mach 1's also make about 305hp. They are definitely in TT territory. IF SL's aint beating 99+GT's they aint coming close to Mach1's.

:iagree: I don't believe that an SL can run a 99+ GT, and it DEFINITELY can't run a Mach 1. I ran a Mach 1 in my Fox body, and it was close, although the Mach pulled a bit. In another race, the Fox body edged out my VR4 by a hair, although they're almost dead even. Essentially, then, your SL can beat my VR4. Uh huh.

just like previously stated, I would have to say the mustang was NOT, I repeat NOT a GT.
His engine sounded like a neon? It couldn't have been close to being a GT.
The outcome is much more logical as well, our cars as well as many other cars blow v6 stangs out of the water. Had it been a GT he would have gained at least 2 cars off of the line (assuming this was an ok driver here) and probably further his gain into an even uglier race for the N/A 3000gt.

I'm guessing you had a run in with a badged v6 mustang but good kill anyway.

though mach1 are more in the mid to low 13's area, they still are too much for an sl
what happen is probably the guy wans't putting his all into it
because as was stated above, it would be equivalent to beating a 2nd gen vr4, its not likely
but i bet it was fun to at least play with a mach1

nope when Machs first came out Paul Svinky(sp?) ran a 12.8 on a 100% stock brand new Mach1. I have seen a few at the track and they all were 12.9's etc. The Mach's basically have the old NA Cobra motor, DOHC 4.6.

every eye for itself i guess cause i see mach1's running everywhere from 13.8 down to 13.2

mustang cobra's at 390hp run 12.9-12.7

Thats from driver's inability to launch. I see plenty of Cobra;s running 12's. They are capable of low 12's maybe even high 11's stock.

Vr4 can take a mach1 definitely. I did in a street race but it we only took it to 90 mph and i was around 1 car length up on him with neither of us gainin tille he slowed down a bit and i did the same. It said Cobra on the back of it and i'm positive it wasn't the SVT.

Another thing, a friend of mine at the Gateway track around here in St. Louis ran a 13.3 with his mach1 stang. He's not a great driver either but his mods were only an intake and catback exhaust. Just some info.

I see plenty of Cobra;s running 12's. They are capable of low 12's maybe even high 11's stock.

I've driven in an 04 Cobra, and they're sick. They can not, however, hit 11's stock. They can easily enough, even with just a programmer which was tested on Horsepower TV, but even Z06's don't hit 11's stock unless they're factory freaks. The Cobra is a high 12/low 13 second car depending on the driver. The Mach 1 is a mid to low 13 second car; I would guess I could beat a GT with my first gen VR4 and would go down by a car or two to a Mach 1, while being embarassed by a Cobra. :2cents:

Cobra = SVT always has. Special Vehichles Teams has the Cobra, Lightning, SVT Focus and a few others. If it said Cobra you were racing a Cobra not a Mach.

cobra 390hp 390lbs tq 3600lbs 12.7 with an excellent driver
mach 1 305hp 300lbs tq 3466
mustang gt 300hp 320lbs tq 3483 13.8-13.6

doesn't quite add up to run 12's unless you seen a bunch of freaks.

there's cases were the mach 1 broke into the 12's but every car has a freak.

motor trend ran the mach1 at 13.8@102
road and track ran the mach1 at [email protected]
car and driver ran the mach1 at 14.0

numbers and statistics alone are against your claims

and i'm not doubting you seen 1 run high 12's, but on the average they run mid 13's

Also note ur cobra was not supercharged prior to 03. Therefore, it's hp was much less than the 03 cobra. Mustang trims always confused me cuzz they're so many. I always thought a prior 03 cobra was a mach1, i guess i'm wrong?

Motor trend doesnt know how to drive. Nor does Road and Track, or car and driver. In fact I think it wa Motor Trend that posted times of mid 14's for a stock VR4.

Paul Svinky ran a 12.8 in a stock Mach one from an article in MM&FF. MM&FF also ran a stock 03 Cobra to 12.4. Only slicks kept it from 11's. Cobras are underrated in HP. There are several that have dynoed at 360-370 RWHP. Thats equivilent to about 430 Flywheel. Trust me I used to subscribe to a bunch of Mustang mags and saw what everyone ran.

Yes. Cobra has been around since 93. The Mach 1 didnt reappear till 03(?).

ok buddy, obviously your stuck with your opinion

It is NOT an opinion. Damn WTF is people's problems when they cant accept the truth. The Cobra will run 11's with slicks and nothing more, a Mach 1 is capable of 12's stock. There is no way around it. Driver has everything to do with it.

oh yeah, and if car and driver can't drive, then how they get the supra to run 13.1?

and calm down stealthee, i've seen what i've seen and you have what you have. i got 3 mags here saying one thing and also hp to weight and all of them are against what your saying

your words aren't fact? so in question wtf is wrong with you?

and calm down stealthee, i've seen what i've seen and you have what you have. i got 3 mags here saying one thing and also hp to weight and all of them are against what your saying

your words aren't fact so in question wtf is wrong with you?

Look at the discrepancy in times alone. That right there shows driver ability. 14.0 in a high 12 car. Shows they dont know how to drive it. And when the Supra came out it may have been someone with more driving skill.

I got another example for you. My uncle had a 69 Camaro that he took to the drag strip. He was running consistent 13.9's. My other uncle jumped in the car and ripped off some 13.2's. Thats .7 difference in driver alone.

and agian i'm not saying that you seen 1 run in the 12's

check my posts above, but obviously most drivers get in and run mid 13's

you say it has the old cobra engine, well the old cobra's ran mid 13's. this i also have seen with my own two eyes

http://car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

if you need more proof i can provide it. hell go ask a mustang moderator, most people run mid to low 13's in a mach1

Look at mags that specialize in Mustangs. I think 5.0 Mustang ran very similar times to what MM&FF did. What they ran is FACT.

and all the other mags are fiction?

I am not saying what people run. How hard is that to comprehend? Its what the car is capable of. Another example:

Matt Monet, owner of many records is one of the best drivers on the planet. The car with one of the records is owned by a guy named Nelson Berrande. Nelson has managed a few 11 second passes in the car. Matt ripped off a 10.75. Driver ability plays a HUGE role.

i comprehend its capable of running 12's i stated above at least 3 times now

i said most people run mid to low 13's

HOW HARD IS THAT TO COMPREHEND?

I keep saying what the car is capable of and what it ran in stock form in MM&FF. You keep saying well, it ran this and that in these mags so it cant be a 12 second car. It is in fact a capable 12 second car. If you put the right driver behind the wheel it will pull 12's.

ok, stealthee, your taking me wrong for some reason

i NEVER said they cannot run 12's, not once!

and i keep saying(though for some reason you dont read it) i know they can break the 12's

i know they can break the 12's

i know they can break the 12's

i'm agreeing with you, but you shouldn't take the best time ever recorded by a car and tell people thats what it runs. its best to tell them the average

Z06's have broke into the 11's but thats not what they usually run.

most people run mid to low 13's

This is quite a debate. I've done lots of research on all Mustangs, I was into the craze for a long time, and still like them. A few Mach 1's have broken into the 12's. Like YoungVR4 said, a Z06 has been known to run high 11's stock, but it's not the norm. Generally, and go ask Mustang guys about this, Cobras run closer to very low 13's. Keeping them in the 12's is a chore. I don't see how a car with 100 less hp is going to run 12's (regularly). GENERALLY, the Cobra is a high 12/low 13, the Mach 1 is a mid 13, and the GT is a high 13/low 14. Maybe we should verify this in the Mustang forum.

All I can say is you guys must live around or know alot of people that arent good drivers. Around here its the norm for stock 03's to see mid to low 12's and there are plenty of 11 and 10 second Cobras. Mach 1's are all in the low low 13's and high 12's. Hell my buddy's Auto 02 GT ran a 13.9 dead stock. and your going to tell me that a Mach 1 with 40 more hp is going to run the same time or slower.:rolleyes: To those running alot slower than the car should run, they need lots of practice.

Hell my buddy's Auto 02 GT ran a 13.9 dead stock. and your going to tell me that a Mach 1 with 40 more hp is going to run the same time or slower.:rolleyes:


Um no. It has been clearly stated that ur precious mach1 would run a mid 13 second time on average. Please shut up about it. Your blowing it out of proportion and young has said he isn't denyin what u claim...HOWEVER. That guy must have had the best mach1 produced. Now if ur claiming guys around u ( I'm assuming high school/college students) run a 03 cobra stock into the 11s!!...why are they not professionally testing the cars? They obviously are professional drivers. Correct me if i'm wrong because i'm a little confused here.

Young is correct and you are wrong. You don't take the fastest time ever and say that's what it runs. You say the average. A stock 94+ vr4 SHOULD be running a 13.5/6/7/8 in a ¼mile run. Do u not think a vr4 has ever ran faster than a 13.5? I'm sure it has but it was just a car produced exceptionally well.

You know I had a long drawn out post to make you look like the biggest fucking idiot in the world but your not worth it. Face it, those people running 13's in 03 Cobra's, and high 13's and 14's in Mach 1's CANT FUCKING DRIVE. The cars power is there if they know how to use it.

My bad lol I didn't specify the year of the mach 1, it was a 70 something mach 1, the big kind that was fastback, like the one from the original Gone and 60 seconds. Looks like you guys thought I meant the '03 Mach 1. Yeah right lol I wish I could take something like that with an SL. It was on the freeway so I guess a kill on a oldschool muscle car at those speeds doesn't have as much prestige beacause they mostly have close ratio gearing huh. Anyways I apoligize for not clarifying I hope I didn't make too much of a newbie retard of myself.

those are nice cars, and the one from gone in 60 seconds was a 1967 Ford Shelby Mustang GT-500, they're nice, but those 70's fastbacks had about what 260 Top HP???? I'm not sure on those numbers, so plz don't quote me on that cuz I think I read about it once in a magazine at one time.

The original Gone in 60 Seconds was a 72 Mach 1 if I remember right. The one with Nicolas Cage was a remake.;)

Yeah, I think the GT500 in the reamake was pretty sick though. The Mach 1 is also sort of tight, but I prefer the older style. Imagine old school muscle mixed with new age technology, that would be awesome. My dad's Charger has a 4 speed tranny that is close ratio, The thing hauls for a bus of a car. The same basic style as the one from Fast and the Furious for all you movie buffs, but it is a 68 instead of a 70 or whatever the one was in the movie. Anyway's the thing is fast as hell off the line, but the gearing is so short that it seems like on the freeway anything could take it above maybe 110-120...which is still respectable but you know what I mean. I wanna see what my SL can do against him, never tried, I am feeling sort of more confident about taking that 72 mach 1 but I dunno about my dads car. Should I give it a whirl?

"Eleanor" Was supposed to be a '73 Mach 1.
In truth she was just a '71 Fastback.

You know I had a long drawn out post to make you look like the biggest fucking idiot in the world but your not worth it. Face it, those people running 13's in 03 Cobra's, and high 13's and 14's in Mach 1's CANT FUCKING DRIVE. The cars power is there if they know how to use it.

This is almost as bad as that one time you tried to tell me how wrong I was when I said I had beat an sohc mtx 3000gt with my old dohc atx 3000gt.

Cobras are fast as hell and I saw a newer cobra take out an srt-4 on the street once. The cobra left the srt-4 so far behind that I've respected their power ever since, low 13's or high 12's.

pearl just leave it alone, he believes all mach1's are 12 second cars
so i guess all vr4's are 13.0 second cars
and all Z06's are 11 second cars
and all srt-4's are 13.3 second cars

since i posted something toward your remark, i'll give you another chance to reply if you want, but after that the debate is over. and please cut down on the cursing stealthee, you can debate without so much cursing!

:smokin:in my opinion i have a 91 dodge stealth RT/TT and had never lost to any mustang here are my stats about those rustangs GT´s


89 thru 93 i have beat them for 2 cars :loser:
94 thru 98 i have beat them for 3 or 4 cars:loser:
99 thru 04 have beat them for 4 to 5 cars (the auto):loser:
05 i have beat them for 1 or 2 :loser:

for me the 99 thru 04 are the slowest i dont know why they are newer but what the heck the always eat my dust, a friend of mine has a 98 with clutch, chip and intake and we races for 9 blocks here in TJ and i beat him horrible i left him for like 6 cars or more and i misshifted in 2nd gear and he couldnt catch up with me, and another friend had a 03 GT and we ran a 1/4 mile and i beat him like for about 4 cars then he was so made he sold the rustang and bought a lightning jajajaj he got me on a long road for 1 car but in 2 blocks i got him for 2 car 1 car and a half maybe, the only V8 cars i do respect are the transam´s those are real V8 challenges, camaros i dont think they are fast i have beat V8 camaros for like 3 cars or 4 but the SS that another shit, the real thing is that VR4 and RT/TT is that we have the advantege in the all wheel drive thats what helps us in the start from there its just our turbos :grinyes:

Well yea, I mean for Gone in 60 seconds (remake) they just took a bunch of 67 mustangs and 68 mustangs and made em' look like the GT500, but they're still awesome cars... Fast Track... Ur dad's got a charger too??? 68 was my fav. year, but ur a lucky ass if you've got a 4 spd, I've only got a 3 speed auto :(... what kinda engine u got in that thing???

pearl just leave it alone, he believes all mach1's are 12 second cars
so i guess all vr4's are 13.0 second cars
and all Z06's are 11 second cars
and all srt-4's are 13.3 second cars

since i posted something toward your remark, i'll give you another chance to reply if you want, but after that the debate is over. and please cut down on the cursing stealthee, you can debate without so much cursing!
Yes ALL of those cars run those times, WITH THE CORRECT DRIVER BEHIND THE WHEEL.

Your gonna tell me because Nelson could only get his car into the 11's that its only an 11 second car???? Well Matt got behind the wheel and ripped off his 10.75, so its obviously a 10 second car.

And Pearl I never said you were wrong when you said you beat a MTX SOHC. You beat the driver not the car.

And one more thing young if you wanna ban me ban me. I could care less. I came over here and started posting because there is so much newbyish info going on I thought I would help out. I could just spend my time on 3si where people actually know what they are talking about.