B18b needs to improve...

HI guys, thanks for giving me a little bit of your time... this time is all about competition between two friends....
My friend and I used to talk about wich car is faster, my 94 hatch with a B18b or his civic wiht the single cam Vtech (D16z). I always said mines was faster, but now hi is getting a B16b and honestly I have no idea how to compite wiht that.
An ACI is not enogh to fight him back... hi keeps talking, and saying how fast hi will be, so I want some ideas to SMOKE his a**.... What do u guys think?

now your hatch soon his you'll need some work to run with a ctr

damn riccs gone he was our CTR expert =(

You'll need 40 more hp to match his (142-145hp vs 185hp). But you already have around 10 more torque than him. It all depends on how much $ you're willing to spend. A turbo kit would kill him with no problem, and on the stock block (as long as it was very well maintained or doesn't have a ton of miles).

I was thinkig about changing the pistons for more compression, change the shaft cams and cams for a little more HP... would I be able to chatch up?

What about Vtech convertion to my LS?

What about Vtech convertion to my LS?


That's what I would suggest.

Run a B16A Head and ECU. JDM ITR Header (www.robearracing.com $199), 2.5" High flow cat, 2.5" Stainless piping and magnaflow muffler (Kteller.com)

Get some CTR cams and adjustable cam gears, fuel pressure regulator and a good intake.

Hondata and tune 180-200HP no problem man.

http://www.importreview.com/dyno/1.8/lsvtec5.jpg

HP does'nt mean shit.. try and define it for me... anyways go for more torque... torque is what makes the rev meter go up fast when in a tall gear, and win races. you can get some excellent torque numbers with header, cams, and a shot of nitrous. you could leave him in the dust.

put some b16 pistons in there, that will up your cr alot and give you more power

type r head, cams or turbo

HP does'nt mean shit.. try and define it for me... anyways go for more torque... torque is what makes the rev meter go up fast when in a tall gear, and win races. you can get some excellent torque numbers with header, cams, and a shot of nitrous. you could leave him in the dust.


If horsepower doesnt mean shit then why do I run 12s? Dude hondas dont have a lot of torque to begin with and when you build them the only way to extract a lot of torque is boring the crap out of them and sleeving them.

you completely missed the point BboyOxygen.. HP does'nt mean a thing... take a look at the new mazda RX-8 for example.. 238HP to the crank right? well take a look at the torque numbers? only 159TQ... while most honda's like my accord are making 150HP to the crank, with around 138TQ. I may not make as much HP as the RX-8 but I am making almost as much TQ as he is. HP is a damn hard number to describe.. but the amount of torque you make, and responsiveness of the engine is what wins races.. and yes upping the displacement improves lower end TQ on our small engines.

so, how do I get out of my LS every amount of TQ possible? Any sugestions?....

tuning for TQ is a combination of things you can do.. a supercharger is a good way to great increase TQ, cams, overbore the block, Stroker kit. Increasing displacement, and forced induction are the two best ways. free-er flowing exhaust, intake, higher flow catalytic converter. forced induction though will be the best starting point. turbo won't give you gobs of low end, but... overall power will be increased, supercharger will be a bit safer, and a bit more reliable for the engine, but will have lower power gains than a turbo setup.. After that you can increase cylinder bore, and gain more tq.. possibly even a stroker kit. all depends on what qualities you want.

N/A setup best bet would be a stroker kit, and overbore the cylinders, and up the compression to around 11:1. 11:1 is borderline safe on pump gas (95octane) needs a good bit of tuning at 11:1.

FI setup best bet would be a t3/t04e or similar hybrid turbocharger. and an increase over the stock bore, and dropping the compression with lower compression pistons (about 9.5:1 should suffice), and stronger rods.

both of these would of course need to be sleeved, and have crankshafts balanced, and blueprinted. fuel management hardware, larger injectors, and a few other odd bit's and piece's. but both of these would make for kickass setups..

I dont know if this sounds symple, but I'm thinking about this: Type-R pistons, type-R head, The biger injectors, the headers and all the pipes biger and the Vtech conversion kit. what do u guys think?

or just tell me the little things I can do for a reasonable price but get the most out of then....
What would you recomend?

I disagree with not being able to get a lot of torque out of an LS with a turbo. You can have your car tuned for torque instead of horsepower, if you choose. My friend has a h22a turbo and it make a lot more hp than tq; because it was tuned that way.

I still say a turbo would be the best and simplest thing to do. If you buy a nice kit and bolt it on. Let the emanage that comes with the kit control the fuel and whatnot. You stock block can handle enough boost to blow him away.

I dont know if this sounds symple, but I'm thinking about this: Type-R pistons, type-R head, The biger injectors, the headers and all the pipes biger and the Vtech conversion kit. what do u guys think?

When you say smoke, I define it as beating him by more than just 3 car links. With that said, it seems like you're interested in some internal work..if you're going to replace the pistons, why not just get something like JE or Wiseco for the higher compression since that's what you're targeting anyway? Bigger injectors for an all motor set up..right? With the vtec conversion, that's a given if you plan on using a type r head. Also, the type r and the b16a head basically the same thing, minus the stock mild port and polish from factory for the ITR head. Other factors come too, as I have just posted something along these lines a couple days back. However, those factors and differences, IMO, don't matter as much if you're going price shopping.

Though I am a N/A girl, I agree with the guy above in regards to turbo'ing the LS. It easier and less time consuming..but if you have the money for the turbo, are you gonna want to run stock internals? Think about your options.

HP does'nt mean shit.. try and define it for me... anyways go for more torque... torque is what makes the rev meter go up fast when in a tall gear, and win races. you can get some excellent torque numbers with header, cams, and a shot of nitrous. you could leave him in the dust.


Definition: one horsepower= 33,000 lb-ft/one minute :-)

killah_xft, dude you are wrong. your telling him to go for low end tq. do you ever use low end tq in a race ? no you use your high end tq which is where you get your peak hp from. as you may know hp is just a calculation of tq.

dont be telling him to get low end tq if hes trying to win a race, sure if he wants to drive around town faster but not a race.

oh and save up and get a turbo. turn the boost up till you hit 270whp, of course getting it fully tuned, and it will take him a long time to catch up to you.

a stock ls block can handle 270whp if tuned good

or just tell me the little things I can do for a reasonable price but get the most out of then....
What would you recomend?

-B16A Head with the golden eagle LSVTEC kit
-OBD1 B16A ECU and Intake Manifold
-Civic Type-R Cams, valve springs and retainers
-Adjustable cam gears
-JDM ITR Header
-2.5" Piping exhaust

Get hondata and tune man you'll see some good numbers.