Who else?

Who else is entirely sick of all of this manufactured music, that has no meaning, or any kind of feeling to it at all? Music that sounds the same, with no lyrical difference.

Industry created 13 year olds talking about LOVE?... 'Performers' that all look the same, sing about the same thing, either guns, 'bitches', hoes, money, rims, subs, or drugs... Bands that do nothing more than mimic what is already mainstream in order to become a part of that same mainstream...

Anyone else see a trend here?

I was seriously trying to think 'what will our kids call Classic Rock?' and it hit me... Classic Rock will just dissapear, seeming as none of this music out now, has no lasting meaning to it. 75% of these bands have no more skill than your average person.

The fact that Ashlee Simpson (and the rest of these Pop Singers) have to lip sync at all of their shows, says a lot to me. And yes, I understand that the fans own them, and they have to perform a dozen shows a week, 30 weeks of the year. But still, how is that music considered 'good'?

But honest to God... I want the mainstream to stay away from my music, I dont want Earth Crisis, Prayer for Cleansing, Between The Buried and Me, Undying, The Black Dahlia Murder, Dimnu Borgir, Candiria, or Samhain to get popular... I want these bands to stay to the few. We've already lost Luticris (Norma Jean) and Underouth to this all-so-familiar sound...

Now this music isnt for everyone, I understand that... Not everyone can get the urge to jump in a pit and start dancing to some heavy double bass and growling... I know. But seriously, this mainstream music needs to change, and for the better. Becuase its been in this rut for years now, and Im afraid that real music has lost its meaning...

Who else is sharing these feelings right now?

-Wes

I agree completely. The mainstream rap / r&b / hip hop scene crap has completely pervaded our society. Everything revolves around the stuff - every add has a rap song in it - every product is endorsed by some mainstream artist - They've all become the same, and everyone worships them. This is why I love Scandanavian Black Metal. I know that 95% of all the kids at my school listen to the same crap, but there's a select few, like myself, who listen to a caliber of music that they could never understand. I like my black metal, because for the most part, people have never heard it. It's my secret weapon. I can use bands, such as Marduk or Amon Amarth to get rediculous amounts of energy, which would be unattainable from the same, non-agressive, never differing mainstream BS. I'm sorry, but being in "da club" with ho's and whatnot does not apply to my life, or real life, for that matter, unless you do nothing but get STD's and get arrested on a nightly basis. My music is my war music. Lots of it holds historical value. It lets me get stuff done. It lets me win fights. Lots of it instills an energy in an energy in me that could never be found anywhere else. Mainstream is BS - Long live Scandanavian Black Metal. And note, I say "Scandanavian" black metal, because the American metal scene just plain sucks - and just about every american metal band has become a diet-coke version of their former selves and have moved into the "nu-metal" retarded mainstream shit.

Marduk's cover of 'Samhain' was badass dude... I love it.

And I agree with you 100%... Before football games we would be in the locker room getting focused, and all of the seniors play a song after another... And I thought it was very funny that the past 5 songs were the same :lol:

So I put in 'Hallowed be they name' by Cradle of Filth, and started pit dancing in the middle of the locker room... They looked at me like they walked in on their mother and I...

After that I put in Allegiance by Dimnu Borgir, and they cut me off half way into the song, and put some Crunk dank ol' shit in dawg... Pfff :rolleyes:

That is why I drive around with my windows down, sunroof wide open, treble at max, bass at lowest, blaring some straight up Death Metal... Just to contridict the rest of traffic doing the exact opposite... Its neccesary though, because maybe it might spark someones uniqueness to break through the convention...

Im lucky though, I've been into unconventional music since I was in 5th grade, I started listening to Earth Crisis :D Been straight edge ever since.

-Wes

There is a basketball team around here that warms up...in front of everyone(!) to The Showdown. Wow! And they are death/southern/mosh metal! I cant describe them.

As far as the other stuff, convert convert convert. Introduce as many people to the metal world as you can. Once they catch that first rush, that first circle mosh, the first stones being thrown and the bodies stacking up! Its all go from there.

as far as i'm concerned, Underoath hasn't been lost. their newest CD is probably my favorite so far.

anyways, i don't see why so many people get so caught up worrying about how many people listen to a certain band. it's ridiculous really. who CARES how many people listen to a band? just because they all of a sudden get a bit more popular, that doesn't ruin them. the band is still the band. i personally don't give a shit how popular stuff is. if i like it that's all that matters and no other factors weigh in on that decision.


in the same vein, i hate the mainstream rap that you speak about. that is one case where the underground stuff is alot better.

I personally am beyond caring where music is headed these days, the last 4 decades have produced enough excellent music to last a lifetime.

I personally am beyond caring where music is headed these days, the last 4 decades have produced enough excellent music to last a lifetime.

^ :werd: ^

Rap was created so that people with NO musical talent can make millions in the music industry :smokin:

if it makes good doof doof driving music, than they'll keep making it.

if it makes good doof doof driving music, than they'll keep making it.
Well no, I think Rap and "doof doof" music is going to become a victim of it's own success, much like boybands and Spice Girls became a victim of changing trends so will Rap/hip hop, at least in the eyes of the mainstream market. Probably going to be replaced by "boy-bands with guitars"

boy bands with guitars, oh shit, just wait till i blow up the music world with my awesome chops and fully sick guitar riffs.

Rap was created so that people with NO musical talent can make millions in the music industry :smokin:

little jealous?

i'd rather have my kids calling rap classic music than people screaming at the top of their lungs to the point where you can't understand the lyrics (ie between the buried and me, and 90% of death metal), these guys could be poets but no one would know because the music just sounds like noise. the only word i can understand is Die.
The only reason i got into rap Music was becasue all the good rock music got shitty. After Sublime, Alice in Chains, Stone temple pilots, Nirvana, Metallica etc. either disbanded due to a tragedy or just got shitty, that's when i got into rap music, it wasn't stagnating like the rest of music at the time.

I personally am beyond caring where music is headed these days, the last 4 decades have produced enough excellent music to last a lifetime.

:iagree:

One thing I absolutely love doing: if someone needs a ride somewhere or something, I'll put in some seriously good music - anything from Belle & Sebastien to Within Temptation - and not even mention it. Just let it play while I drive and chat normally. I think every single time, I've been asked, "Who is this? It's really good."

Just the subtle approach I like :) I like to think it distinguishes me too - you know, that guy that listens to the great music...;)

^ :werd: ^

Rap was created so that people with NO musical talent can make millions in the music industry :smokin:

Evidently you have never tried to rap. Ass.

I agree, a lot of the point of true music has become lost these days, but remember, it is a form of entertainment. And if its entertaining, who cares if it means anything. But if your music has to have significant voice enhancement to sound good, then your not an artist, your a poser.

Even the mainstream bands have talent though, or they wouldnt be signed. I mean, if you dont pay attention to the lyrics in some of the most played out bands, the actual instrumentals still sound good. Its just music evolving. Imagine what the swing and big band society would think about Jimi Hendrix. Or what people from the 1800's would think about Nirvana.

Then again, its all about personal preferance. Music is a very subjective media. And just because you dont like rap, or screamo, or whatever, doesnt make it bad music.

Then again, its all about personal preferance. Music is a very subjective media. And just because you dont like rap, or screamo, or whatever, doesnt make it bad music.

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Exactly right. When people ask me what kind of music I listen to, I say I listen to anything good. I have in my CD collection everything from hardcore rap, to metal, to country, to mainstream stuff - as long as it's good music, I'm all for it. I just find that the majority of stuff popular today isn't very good. That which is, is unfortunately often a product of great "behind the scenes" guys, rather than the actual "artists"

BTW - I love real rap, but I've yet to hear a good popular rap song in years. I rather like Black Eyed Peas (don't laugh!), but I'd hesitate to call them rap. I'm just sick of this Ludicris crap. MOVE BITCH, GET OUT THE WAY!

But honest to God... I want the mainstream to stay away from my music, I dont want Earth Crisis, Prayer for Cleansing, Between The Buried and Me, Undying, The Black Dahlia Murder, Dimnu Borgir, Candiria, or Samhain to get popular... I want these bands to stay to the few. We've already lost Luticris (Norma Jean) and Underouth to this all-so-familiar sound...

My friend listens to all those bands, and i didn't like them at first, but after listening to them more and more i'm getting into them. Especially Dimmu Borgir.

Yea Josh, go get 'Death Cult Armagedon'... That CD is probably one of their best.

As for the Rap thing... I have absolutely no respect for rappers, that all they rap about is, like I said 'hoes, guns, bitches, drugs, dubs'... I have a lot of respect for most of Jay Z's stuff, and I deffinately have respect for Eminem... Because he doesnt care about whats mainstream, even though he is... Very cool little thing he's got going there, I like it.

I cant rap... Not at all... And I have mad props for anyone who can. But I just dont like the 'Everybody get your roll on' type rap... That takes no talent.

Brian, I dont base my music on how many people listen to it... But honestly, that does have some effect on it.

And this is why: I strive to be unique... Stand out in personality, the way I act, the way I dress (not gothic, not at all... But deffinately different), it confuses people why I dont try and act like everyone else. Because even the Gothic kids at our school are in a clich, and trying to fit in, by not fitting in... Weird... And one day I was sitting at a stop light blaring some newer Norma Jean, and some 12 year olds with skateboards yell to me 'BRO IS THAT NORMA JEAN?! THEY'RE AWESOME MAN! PLAY MEMPHIS IS WASTE...'

... O Hell no...

Come to find out, its all over MTV... And pit dancing was getting popular. I started noticing kids were showing up at shows wearing Straight-Edge shirts, then going outside for a joint in between bands...

Now being Straight-Edge is very serious to me... And when someone says they're S.X.E and in all actuallity, they're not... It's a slap in the face to what I stand for.

That is why I dont want my music to be mainstream... Because music has more meaning to it than noise, a lot of music promotes lifestyle with it. And most 'NC Core' has either a Straight-Edge message, or a Vegan message to it... Or both. Earth Crisis, Undying, etc. The music I choose doesnt have much to do with how many people listen to it... It just turns out to my taste that all of that music sucks to me... But in all honesty, I do have a few mainstream songs strewn through-out my iPod and G4... Madonna's 'Frozen', (cant rememeber the artist name off the top of my head) 'Mummers dance', Nirvana, etc...

I have a lot of Aesop Rock (real hip hop, good stuff) in my archive that I play my friends that think I hate rap.

So I have an open mind to everything... But just because I hate something after giving it consideration, doesnt mean Im closed minded.

Sorry about me rambling for so long... Just wanted to say that.

-Wes

i have alot more respect for you now, Wes. i didn't really know what the whole SXE was all about. i'm definitley not Straight-Edge, nor do i pretend to be. i dress how i feel like (mostly snowboard shit, with alot of band shirts). i like my piercings and tattoos, i like weed, i drink, and i love sex. i don't pretend to be Straight-Edge, because i'm definitley not. but to me, the ammount of people who listen to music doesn't change that music for me.

for instance, i enjoy Billy Talent, who are very popular these days even with kids.

and i love Aesop Rock too. :D

so yeah, sorry i blew up in both of these threads. i didn't really know what you stood for and was just trying to stand up for Underoath, one of my favorite bands of the moment.

I feel what your saying Zed. This is why I listen to rock from the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, and rap from the late 80s and early 90s. While most people drive around playing their mainstream "gansta", "bling" "bling" crap rap, I'm blasting, In My Time of Dying by Led Zeppelin or Moonlight Drive by The Doors.

Sad thing is, I grew up on rap and believe or not, there are some excellent rap artists out there. But thanks to the music industry, music today has sold its soul to the almighty dollar.

What happened to rock these days? I'm a lover of blues music. The blues has soul. Blues is one of the core roots of rock, yet I can't sense it anywhere in todays music.

Wheres all the talented musicians? Most importantly, where are the lyrics that mean something? My God, I went home to NY in August of 2003, after being away for two years. Do you know what song I kept hearing on the radio? Stacies Mom Has Got It Going On. I shit you not when I say every time I went into a store I heard some asshat singing that shit softly to himself.

Fuck man, look at William Hung. This guy got his own album just because his 15 minutes of fame was big bucks in someone elses pocket. The music biz needs a change. Kinda like what Kurt Cobain did back in the early 90s. Basically ending the hair band age. Maybe this is all a vicious cycle, you know? For a period of time we are saturated with mainstream garbage. Then a musical messiah, if you will, comes along and turns the industry upside down! I am sick and tired of chessey love songs, soft rock, pop stars and gansta rap.

I wanna be carried away on a guitar riff, while feeling the rythem of drums pulse through body and all the while be taken on a jounrey through a lyrical story.

Maybe this is all a vicious cycle, you know? For a period of time we are saturated with mainstream garbage. Then a musical messiah, if you will, comes along and turns the industry upside down!

You know, Elvis and The Beatles were mainstream too, back in their day. Weve already been over this and I am very sick of reading it. Just because YOU dont like a type of music does NOT automatically make it garbage.

Give it a rest.

It does suck when you have liked a band for a few years, then the preppiest most teeny bopper girl in school comes up and is like, hey i like them too! when theyve only heard one song...

You know, Elvis and The Beatles were mainstream too, back in their day. Weve already been over this and I am very sick of reading it. Just because YOU dont like a type of music does NOT automatically make it garbage.

Give it a rest.

When I say mainstream garbage, I'm talking about boy bands, pop stars and bling bling gansta rap. Have you watched the Asless Simpson Organge Bowl vid?

These groups produce nothing but high revenue for the music industry. With the backing of MTV, they influence people on how they should dress, talk, act and carry themselves. Music has gone way too commercial for my tastes. I see a lot of people today who don't have a personality of their own because they're too busy trying to minimic what they hear and see on TV.

Sure there are some good bands, groups and artists out there today but they're the minority while mainstream is the majority. I guess my hatred for mainstream music is that, in my eyes, its lost it soul. Music being produced is meaningless. Sure its catchy but thats it. These are my feelings and I'm sorry if your sick of hearing it.

Brian, Im glad you see what Im talking about now, thanks for understanding what typical people cant.

And I also love real Classic Rock as well Zaphod... Pink Floyd, Led Zep, The Who (God I love The Who :D ) etc etc... That is the kind of music that will never die. So in a way... Those bands have achieved immortality. They will never fade out, and thats a sign of true music in my opinion.

-Wes

It does suck when you have liked a band for a few years, then the preppiest most teeny bopper girl in school comes up and is like, hey i like them too! when theyve only heard one song...
Yeah, dislike a band for reasons other than there music. Smart one :rolleyes:

Evidently you have never tried to rap. Ass.

Then again, its all about personal preferance. Music is a very subjective media. And just because you dont like rap, or screamo, or whatever, doesnt make it bad music.

The beautiful thing about living in the land of the free is the right to have and express opinion...I have an opinion about Rap, and I expressed my opinion...You have an opinion, and you expressed it...

I've read many posts of yours, and figured you to be reasonably intelligent and mature...Then you go and show your true age and maturity level by referring to me as an "Ass", simply because I expressed MY opinion.

You have the right to spend your hard-earned money on Ludicris, Coolio, or whomever, just like I can spend mine on Zep, or Queen, The Tubes, or whoever I like...

Just my
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The beautiful thing about living in the land of the free is the right to have and express opinion...I have an opinion about Rap, and I expressed my opinion...You have an opinion, and you expressed it...


Just my
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it's fine to express your opinion of music. he expressed his opinion of your opinion. but it's not like you said "in my opinon", or "i think..."
you just came out and said "rap is the way for talentless people to make millions of dollars", or some nonsense to that effect.

The freedom of speech and the right to express your opinion also comes with the responsibility of dealing with the repercussions of what was said, if it offends someone(like myself, or kustm) be prepared to hear it.

and In my opinion kustm was right in what he said to you. obviously you don't like rap, probably never even tried to enoy it, so who cares what your opinion of it is?

^ :werd: ^

Rap was created so that people with NO musical talent can make millions in the music industry :smokin:

I know what you mean but honestly dude

What about old school rap and hip hop. You wanna tell me Run DMC sucks? NWA?

Look at Dr. Dre, he's respected in all music communities, starting with NWA and his protege Eminem, who turned out to be the best rapper in 10 years.

I agree with the bs of Lil John and those idiots though.

obviously you don't like rap, probably never even tried to enoy it, so who cares what your opinion of it is?

Actually I've raised 3 kids to adulthood, ALL into Rap at sometime or other...Listened, listened some more, actually found 1 song to like...But for the most part it sux...IN MY OPINION

:smokin:

Being a musician I am selective with what I listen to. I like to here creative and melodic guitar riffs, and ofcourse a good shredding.....crazy drum beats and complictated fills. This is hard to find in a lot of newer bands. Bands like Dream Theater(mike portnoy rocks), Rush, old Metallica, Pantera, Tool. etc. They are all amazing musicians and you can tell with each song they put a lot of effort.

I agree with the bs of Lil John and those idiots though.

Lil' Bow Wow :lol2:

Chevydrummer76... You've got good taste in music bro.

I've loved Tool since I can remember I bought Undertow when I was 5th or 6th grade, then Opiate, then Ænema... Then I was hooked... I got all the bootlegs I could find, then they released Salival and I got that... Went to every concert that was within 300miles away :lol: The music is just so awesome.

Still gotta say that 46 and Two is my favorite song though... That last break is just insane, gives me chills :D

-Wes

Lil' Bow Wow :lol2:

He's a bigger assclown that little jon!

Thinking of Stacy's Mom, is anyone else sick of the current plethora of whiny "punk-pop" bands? They ALL have that same whiny voice that just makes me want to strangle them, and all they sing about is crap like "My daddy doesn't love me" or "I can't get girls because of my zits."

If you want punk, Bad Religion all the way!

And if you want reggae-ska-punk hop... Lucky Boys Confusion all the way

Some more kick ass Punk bands;

Operation Ivy
Misfits
Dead Kennedy's
Pennywise
Bouncing Souls

Just a few off the top of my head.

I can dig some Misfits... I love how Glenn Danzigs creation has evolved from a straight up '80s punk band, into a dark horror metal genre that it is today... I love it :D

I want to go out and get the new Danzig... I just cant find it anywhere since the local Manifest closed down (got bought out by Best Buy). When they closed, Best Buy promised that the selection would be just a great!

... But when I went and asked why they dont have ANY Danzig CD's... They said 'O... That stuffs too graphic to put on the shelves man, sorry'

... That pisses me off.

Anyways... Who else likes Danzig's bands?

-Wes

I have to agree Danzig is (was?) ahead of his time, IMO the reason he sticks out is nobody has the balls to imitate him (that I know of) I don't listen to that much punk tho - limited to mainly old ass school Black Flag, Bad Brains, and some Anti Flag. I think this because I can't take anybody seriously who doesn't know what a fucking proper chord progression is.

You guys pretty much hit the nail on the head. Bullshit stuff like the fake rappers and gay punk bands and the like piss me off just as the next normal person. I can respect the older rappers, can't say I like them, but I respect them.

Ever since I was 12 I was into metal. Bought my first Metallica CD that year and it all spiraled downwards from there. Now I have the whole Metallica and Slayer repitoire (sp?) and I'm working on the rest of the death/speed/thrash metal type stuff.

I took a ton of shit in HS for liking this kind of music (I went to school in the city, so rap was fucking HUGE) and I take a lot of shit now because there's the little group of metalheads and the punk/country fans.

Metal actually has a strange way of warping my brain now that I think about it. It kind of makes me not give a shit about much of anything anymore, which is a good feeling. I never really cared when people made fun of my music in high school, and it started to apply to the rest of my life. Also gives me that pissed-off/don't fuck with me or I'll fucking kill you feeling that is pretty damn cool.

And finally, whoever said something about judging music based on something not the music, it happens a lot. I get the "Metallica sucks because they killed Napster" arguement every day. I'm still amazed by it because a) there's a billion other places to download music from and b) these fucks have never even heard a Metallica song, but they CAN'T be good because they killed Napster.

Sorry for the long post...just kinda started typing and here's where I'll stop.

And finally, whoever said something about judging music based on something not the music, it happens a lot. I get the "Metallica sucks because they killed Napster" arguement every day. I'm still amazed by it because a) there's a billion other places to download music from and b) these fucks have never even heard a Metallica song, but they CAN'T be good because they killed Napster.


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Agreed, the Napster thing has absolutely no effect on their music. It may or may not make them complete morons, but even complete morons can make good music, and their music should not be judged by their character.

Personally I'm not a huge Metallica fan - strangely enough I like their radio stuff, they can do it well. I just feel their metal stuff has been long since overshadowed and is a bit tame nowadays...