HELP - intake for '95 Celica ST

I'm looking at getting an intake for my '95 Celica ST to replace the stock box. I've looked at the Weapon R Dragon and Hyper short ram intakes, but I have no idea if those are any good. I'm more interested in this just for a fun project that I can do myself as a learning experience since I don't know too much about modding cars. I live in the Seattle area. Should I get cold air or short ram? Should I even bother, or should I get a stock K&N filter replacement or something?

What will give me the most gains for the least money and still be easy to put in myself?

Thanks!

The dragon intakes are GREAT intakes, they are made very well, a friend of mine has one on his maxima.

But just about every cone intake does the same thing, adds 5-8hp (regardless of what the ad says it gives, unless your car is choking itself to death), and adds a throatier sound under acceleration.

Dragon Intakes = 120 -150$
Generic w/ K&N Filter = 45%



Both do the same thing, you pick...

basically al intakes are roughly the same, i could make myself a cone filter but its all depending, the more air you let suck in your engine, the more chance you have of sucking shit like dirt in it...thats why cotten is more protective than the stuff the K&n and the others ones are made out of

What 91 Celica said is very true, and the cone filters are oiled, and require oiling regularly....every frew months, or they begin to whistle... hahhaa

Errr...K&N are cotton filters
Here`s what it says on the box if you dont believe me........

K&N air filter is made of surgical cotton gauze impregnated with oil for maximum filtration and maximum airflow.

why do i alwas manage fucking up what i say and wroding it wrong.... please tell me that...hahaha

yaeh sotten is good paper is bad... bascially in essace tho the more air you let in the mroe shit your also letting in your engine

I feel quite bad writing this 91celicast cause I usualy rely on you to prvide facts for some of my advice etc, I`ll put it down to a bad day

Yes cotton is good for high flow and OK for filtration and yes, the more you suck into your engine the more chance you have of sucking in dirt etc but "paper" is better for filtration and not quite as good for airflow, standard airfilters are paper, and offer very good filtration properties.
There isnt alot available that will filter the air as well as a standard paper filter, alot of the airflow problems associated with standard paper filters is caused by the restricted airflow into the airbox and excesive piping.

Cone filters apear to offer better air intake due to the removal of alot of the piping so a more direct flow is gained with less bends etc, but often lose the benifits gained by sucking in hot air from the engine bay.

The best thing to get is either a cold air kit which will cost you more $$$$ or £££££ or get a replacement panel filter, K&N are very good and provide just about every panel filter available or you can do what I did and get them to custom make you one for not alot more cash, then enlarge the hole that feeds air into the base of the airbox and run a pipe to the front of the car, this will provide a ram air type effect and provide plenty of cold air for your motor.

91celicast - drink alot of JD :grinyes: then beat yourself with a big stick bud :smile: then come back in your former glory without the need to fuk things up with wrong "wroding" as you put it :lol2:

haha i told you, lately ive etierh been drunk when i come on here or runin on like 4 hours of sleep...

I`m working on the getting drunk bit right now. :cheers: Cheers!!!

haha ive been in the shitter lately, broke up with my gf of about a year, the night we broke up she had a gangbang with 3 mexicans, she says she didnt want it but i dun beleive her...now she wants to get back together....DRINK UP!!!!

bleh, i think CAI are a waist of time, i did the math and you only get a little hp. Hoodscoop or very short intakes are the way to go. If you want the math I don't feel like repeating myself. So you can just go to my website. SigmaProjects.net just click on the read more button at the top right.

haha ive been in the shitter lately, broke up with my gf of about a year, the night we broke up she had a gangbang with 3 mexicans, she says she didnt want it but i dun beleive her...now she wants to get back together....DRINK UP!!!!

That sucks bud....if she didnt want it, she wouldt have done it, if there is one thing I have learned in my 30 years on this earth, women tend to do what they want. never go back, look towards the future, i know you`ve probably heard this a million times from your buds, but there are plenty more fish in the sea. I know its hard but move on, if she`s done it once, she`ll do it again, trust me, been there done that but, I was with my XGF for 9 years, and she fuked me about. It hurts right now but things will get better pretty damn soon, trust me......ditch the bitch

now returning to on topic..............

can i have your car nialusa ?? god its sexy! cant stop drooling over it

Sigma, the link to intakes on your site doesn't work - it pops up a window and times out after about 30 seconds. I tried several times. I think I might just go with the K&N panel filter, but I was hoping someone out there maybe had a 6th gen Celica and knew of a particular short ram intake that worked really well for them. NialUSA, I like your idea of making a cold air tube that connects to the stock box. Would you use PVC or metal or what? Where would you connect it in the front of the car? Are the diagrams or guides to this type of thing out there?

Thanks to all of you for your help!

first...cold air intakes are NOT worth the extra money...and risk

first off, cold air intakes really only give you less than 1Hp more than a Shortram, reasonons being (ive gone through this TONS of times and i really need to organise my bookmarks)your engine runs at 1200 degrees fairenhight, and under the enginge bay your running at an average of 190 degrees farenhiehgt (210 is dangerous, 220+ is lethal) by the time you suck in the "hot" short ram air and reches your intake ports and gets mixed in with the fuel...Its going to be HOTT air

CAI..when it enters and gets to your thorttle body its already gettigng hot, and by time time ir reaches your intake ports is HOTT air

solution...by the time both bits of air reach your intake ports its HOT AS FUCK air, but as we all know coleder air is denser, so more of it can be squeezed in a smaller space. the reason why its 1-2 Hp more is because iby the time the CAI hott air reches your intake ports theres an infidecimal amount of it more I.E. like this (not real #'s but close enough, give s a general idea)

short ram 900CFM of hott air
CAI 930CFM of hott air

either way cold air intakes arent worht the extra money, but thats just my Opinion basically because i live in semi wet area and cold air intakes have a much higher big risk of getting hydrolocked...dont get me wrong short rams still can get it its just ALOT easyer to get with cold air intakes, still semi hard to get either way unless you go thorugh a little uddle, and thers TONS of puddles around me...

if your really going for looks/ Hp then go with a WEAPON X or WEEAPON R intake, they look really nice and do the smae as any otehr short ram, but there alot more expensive...

GOTO Andysautosport.com and you can make your own CAI or short ram ...

ALWYAS use Chrome or something to theat extent, PVC dosent not reflect heat at all...Have you ever heard of a diamond, we all know diamonds basically cant be melted and reflect heat insanley well, well chroome is like the backside of a diamond and reflects heat very well...


sorry for my rant i just got back from the gym and im all pumped up and hyper

Sigma, the link to intakes on your site doesn't work - it pops up a window and times out after about 30 seconds. I tried several times. I think I might just go with the K&N panel filter, but I was hoping someone out there maybe had a 6th gen Celica and knew of a particular short ram intake that worked really well for them. NialUSA, I like your idea of making a cold air tube that connects to the stock box. Would you use PVC or metal or what? Where would you connect it in the front of the car? Are the diagrams or guides to this type of thing out there?

Thanks to all of you for your help!

well that's embarrasing, i'll have to fix that, but yea just get a K & N air filter. Hate this rain...

Sigma, the link to intakes on your site doesn't work - it pops up a window and times out after about 30 seconds. I tried several times. I think I might just go with the K&N panel filter, but I was hoping someone out there maybe had a 6th gen Celica and knew of a particular short ram intake that worked really well for them. NialUSA, I like your idea of making a cold air tube that connects to the stock box. Would you use PVC or metal or what? Where would you connect it in the front of the car? Are the diagrams or guides to this type of thing out there?

Thanks to all of you for your help!

Iwould use a PVC one, its easyer to maniplate/cut etc, metal conducts heat too much plus its harder to bend arounb those awkward bits, also PVC is alot cheaper. As for the routing, you`d have to work that one out for yourself, there isnt alot of space to see in my car, sorry.

nialusa read the last post on the first page, PVC actually absobes heat into it and makes the air hotter, chrome reflects heat off itself and makses the chrome hot, but the inside cool

I have read the previous posts & I`d have to disagree with that statement. I dont think that PVC would conduct heat as well as metal does. simple test, get two rods, one made from chrome, the other PVC/plastic, hold onto one end then heat up the other end, see who lets go first!

I know the PVC would absorb heat localy, but it wouldnt conduct it too the rest of the pipe like a metal one would.

thats my point exactly...hold on to the chrome and ull get burnt...if you sealed them off then heated them up and opend them the air in the chorme tube would be roughly the same temp, the air in the PVC would burn the shit outta ur face...thats why chrome is hot on the outside and pvc is hot on both...the chrmoe repells the heat thats why its hotter, the pvc absorbes it to the inside

I think we`ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

tuche :)

na :) my brains starting to hurt from looking at the net all day:comprage1 and its enough of a challenge at this time of night trying to convince you that cars do come made from galvanised steel (see other thread) and this ones going to take some scientific research which to be honest I cant be bothered to do, maybe someother time bud. :bigthumb:

i dont doubt that their POWDER coated in it to prevent rust, but there not made completely outta galvanized steel

if it's a shorty it doesn't really matter what it's made out of. I rather go with individual throttle bodies http://www.webercarburetors.com/ppw/images/throttle_bodies/image004.jpg

:grinyes: :smokin:

Sigma, the link to intakes on your site doesn't work - it pops up a window and times out after about 30 seconds. I tried several times. I think I might just go with the K&N panel filter, but I was hoping someone out there maybe had a 6th gen Celica and knew of a particular short ram intake that worked really well for them. NialUSA, I like your idea of making a cold air tube that connects to the stock box. Would you use PVC or metal or what? Where would you connect it in the front of the car? Are the diagrams or guides to this type of thing out there?

Thanks to all of you for your help!
If you wanted to read what I was talking about I've fixed the problem on my website.

This is supid! Chrome cant reflect heat and neither can PVC the only thing that matters is what it does with it. If chrome or any metal for that matter has cool air passing over it then thers nothing to worry about, so for long runs its better. PVC absorbs heat but at a slower rate, so for short runs its good. Neither can be better or worse. (unless you are going for looks.