Uh oh 1st vs. 2nd gen

Ok, sorry to vent my frustrations on you guys but this kid at my school is pissing me off. He has a 1st gen Tsi FWD with 160k miles and I have a 2nd gen GSX with 80k miles. Anyway im all for 1st gen pride but this kid is insane. The other day he basicly told my that my car will never be as fast or nice as his. I know that 1st gens are lighter and are rated for higher HP but they are still both DSMs. He told me that 2nd gens shouldnt be considered DSMs and basicly thats what brought me here. I think theres a pretty good mix of 1st and 2nd gen owners here and what are you opinions comparing the 2 different generations?

I got the same prob, every morning at school. Even though I own a 1g, id love to have a turbo 2gen. Both have their advantages and dis. I love the looks of a 2 more, but the 1g AWD is just SICK! But if its a DSM, I dont give them a hard time...otherwise, we'd be Honda racers.

1g's better performance
2g's better looks.

it really dosn't matter what anyone thinks as long as your cool with what you have. there will always be a nicer, faster car.

imo, Nothings faster than a 95 Civic with double spoiler w/ nos stickers on the back and a Type R badge.

imo, Nothings faster than a 95 Civic with double spoiler w/ nos stickers on the back and a Type R badge.

So true, so true!!

I drive a 1G TSi FWD. I would live to have the AWD, they are amazing. Tonnes of people tell me that the 1st gens just look old and stuff, but hey...I like it. The 2nd Gens look cool, but the only people who really like them are ricers. DONT GET ME WRONG...I am not calling all people who like 2nd Gens ricers, but in your case that dude is just like "hey, im a retard who is oblivious to the fact that my car is not the most amazing thing in the world"

So yeah, i think I would rather own a 1st gen because of the challange of owning it. it is not as easily accepted, a lot of parts are more difficult to find...i dunno, it is more fun i think.

but i still love the 2nd gens!!!

well technically my 99 gst is not a dsm, because there aren't 99 tallons. the dsm alliance was over in 98, so the 99's are part of the dsm deal. thats why the turbo wing was part of a sports package on the gs along with white gauge faces. also why 99's have a black leather option. thats also why the 99 3kgt has a different spoiler.

I don't think that they made 3kgts in 99 correct me if im wrong but i think the last year for them was 98.

Yeah they made 1999 3000gt which looks badass. The spoiler on the 99 3kgt (only VR-4) are similar to Evo 7-8.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?modelid=3220&src=vip

I love dsm's period. I like looks about 1g and 2g. In your case..a 1g turbo FWD vs. and 2g GSX...I'd rather have the gsx. AWD is where its at. I had FWD and when i switched...it felt like a whole new car...awesome feeling. 1g are cheaper...got to love that. Girls tend to love 2g's around here anyways(thats a plus). 1st gen you can bolt on a sweet evo 16g or 20g with a couple tools(thats a plus). 2g has more of selection/easy to find parts encluding performance and non performance. Which is good unless you crave the challenege of finding that "hard to get" part : )

Bottom line is..they are both sweet cars..love em all.

I agree. You have the clear advantage with AWD IMO. I'm biased, but I might pick up a FWD 2g someday for a daily driver. Either way, the differences are minimal. Lightweight 2Gs are out there, in fact the race weight for 1g and 2g is pretty similar. Look at Russ Coxs 2g... The kid is an assclown, 1g and 2g arent that different, and to say your car will never be as fast or as nice as his is absurd. But technically peaking most 2Gs arent relly DSMs. But since the cars are so similar, we call them all 2Gs ;) Most 95s will in fact have the DSM tag on the firewall. My very late 95 has it, for whatever thats worth. Who cares, they're the same car.

Yeah they made 1999 3000gt which looks badass. The spoiler on the 99 3kgt (only VR-4) are similar to Evo 7-8.
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?modelid=3220&src=vip
I dont like the spoiler to it. i like the 98 better.

tell hm to shut his pie hole and then race him you have a gsx and he has a fwd, just hand him his ass and he will shutie.

1st gen's are a little faster but can he drive?
2nd gens do look better and you have AWD!!!

1st gens aren't rated for more power, and his FWD will never compare. Go race and get it over with.

fussman, i dont see the big deal. smoke his ass and get it over with.

I can't believe that guy is dissing another dsm owner. True technically we don't have dsm's but who cares. The cars are basicly the same. In all honesty, Stock for Stock, you'll be owning him. 2G's turbos are rated at 210hp stock and 1G's turbos are 195hp stock (I know they have the better engine, more potential and way better turbo but I said stock) Not to mention you have AWD. You car should good for a high 14 considering your a good driver and manual, and he should be pulling a low 15 considering he's good and manual too. Just take him to a stop light, race his ass, own his ass, and then slap his ignorant ass :slap:

BTW if I'm not mistaken, FWD is hard to get into the 12's range no matter if it's 1st or 2nd gen. With AWD it's no prob. I think he needs to retract his statement. With his car being FWD, His car will never be as fast or nice as yours. Good car but nothing beats AWD

thanx guys im im racing this weekend ill leet u know how it turns out :)

well, while we're waiting, anybody wanan lay down some bet? huh? huh?

$5 on the 2g gsx

Who's gunna be the cyber bookie?

One thing i always think to myself is why can't we be like bike riders. I have been rideing for like 8mo now and every bike you go buy the wave, and if you ever brake down they will stop everytime to see if you need anything. I had a guy let me use his cell one time. I can't see why the car guys can't be like that. It's like if you have a car you have to be better then the next guy and no props for a job well done.Nooooo we wouldent want that. See a guy across the street and rev at him because god knows why. See a street racer on the side of the road and don't stop. You may no more than that ricer and could help him out, but we just can do that. don't know why..............

^^ Have you noticed in general that most of the time you see more than one biker guy riding together? Lets anylize the theory of Driver Esteem. A car sorta becomes your own personal space, and for many of us, our 2nd homes. We can stash extra crap where we want it, trash the interior with fast food bags, manage to get crumbs in every available crevice that your vehicle has, and still manage to drive it around. People who have the need to modify their car to be the fastest (or at least faster) car on the street take what they've done personally. It's that little kid still in us who is pretending they are the winner of the Indy 500 races. For some reason people like ^^ that want to believe that their car's are the nicest looking and fastest on the road portray exactly what CBURKE is saying. I know this is mean, but seeing someone on the side of the road and not stoping is the way most people are, and to us (not generalizing, I swear) its one less racer to worry about.

Well i guess what i am saying is why do we look at another racer and say that looks like shit or what the hell his he/she doing? You would never see to racers next to each other at a light and just look over and say wuz up, it just don't happen. they ether race or one of them look over a laugh at the other car. I just think we are all into the same thing, wether it's a hona, mitsu, mazda, and oyeah even a ford. we all like to do the same thing. (can't we all just get along) i know you was waiting for that....lol

How about instead of looking at them as a "racer" or a "driver" maybe look at them as a human and help them anyway. I don't care what is broken down, I stop and ask what is wrong and do what I can to help. I especially don't think of them as anything other than another human being with a problem. In fact, if it is "another racer" then if you stop and help them, I am sure it will be a very humbling experience for them and they will treat you and others with greater respect if YOU help them out. But that should not be the main focus, it should just be the thing that you do, just to be nice. I know I do...

man i am just saying y can't we be as tight as bikers are, we all love the same thing.

(never mind)

man i am just saying y can't we be as tight as bikers are, we all love the same thing.

(never mind)
because you guys are more likely to die, so you guys take care of eachother as much as possible :grinno: j/p . I feel way more safer in my car than on any bike.

i think its just a male thing that we have to be so competitive with our cars. but also, with today's society, i wouldnt help some stranger, i might end up with a probe in my ass.

street racing is for ricers

indeed.....car owners throughout the decades are ricers....

man you're a fuckin jackass

was that towards me?

Its sucks the respect that we get when riding a bike compared to driving a car

well, while we're waiting, anybody wanan lay down some bet? huh? huh?

75 cents, a pack of skittles, and a used condom on the 2g GSX

75 cents, a pack of skittles, and a used condom on the 2g GSX
lmao haha your funny
:rofl: GSX rules

i think its just a male thing that we have to be so competitive with our cars. but also, with today's society, i wouldnt help some stranger, i might end up with a probe in my ass.

It's not just a male thing. I happen to know that for sure. :wink:

I asually stop when I see someone in need of help. *Unless they are in a NEON I dont know what It is about neons but they really get under my skin. I think its because all the neon ricers around here think that their cheap little cars are the fastest thing in the world. Neon owners around here are worse then ricer civic owners.

hey hey now i have a civic and a gst mitsu, acura integra, and o yeah honda CBR 600 f3 woo hoo

CBURKE - Well, you don't own a neon, so that puts ya one step ahead of the game. :wink:

WOO HOOO, well i do have a mitsu, and mitsu did make parts for dodge/ply. so damn i guess that put's all of us in there. hahahahahaha

Not really as long as NEON isnt on your car anywhere your alright.

Everyone check their engine before they bust on neons now. Personally I just hate neons and they always seem to be in accidents. Plus I think the front of a car is like a face and the neon just gives me a look I don't like. That and they ruined second gen n/t's with that cutesy little engine that can be found in some neons. Do the new neons have the 420a or the old ones?

Firesdoom we dont all need to "check our engines" If were turbo we dont have the 420a. Only the NA guys have them. So us turbo guys have nothing in common with a neon. So I can hate on them LOL. As for the new neons.....No idea I dont follow Neon culture.

75 cents, a pack of skittles, and a used condom on the 2g GSX

i'll raise you a dollar, a pack of raisinettes, and a fresh condom by saying by some mgaical miracle/fluke/ tremendoues stroke of luck that the 1g wins.


oh and btw, i dont even have raisinettes so i hope you wont be too disppointed

no raisenettes, no deal. But anyways, even my girlfriend knows the 2g's gonna win. What a moron. Be sure to post the kill man.

ah man, cmon, they're good with chocolate on em. anyways, you should take a pic of his misreable face when he gets smizzoked. hah

Firesdoom we dont all need to "check our engines" If were turbo we dont have the 420a. Only the NA guys have them. So us turbo guys have nothing in common with a neon. So I can hate on them LOL. As for the new neons.....No idea I dont follow Neon culture.

I didn't really mean check your engine there hoss. I don't follow neon culture either but I like to know about cars. I know...it's weird.

^^ Not to be a real ass, but you have made absolutely no sense at all. It would be admirable if you thought about what you are typing before you type. That way, people have less of a chance to take you the wrong way.

i would chose the gsx 2g any day first i would mod the hell outa your car. second i would race and kick his ass. third if it wasnt a fellow dsm i would take a fat shit on his hood.(just me) i dunno if any one else in here would?

I would...............