played around with a DSM

My friend Kyle and i were mad bored New Years eve....and since the bastard lost his licence a fews months back we hopped into my Mustang and went cruising for a bit.....I started down Main street and we pulled up beside this 91-94 red Eclipse(1st-2nd gen maybe??)..I looked over and checked out the kids ride..it looked completly stock and the kid was minding his own business so when the green light came on i took off slowly and he did too...I then got the urge to plant my gas pedal into the firewall and he must of saw it coming because he floored it too.....I heard the tell tale WHUMpH of a Cold air intake when he opened it up and he got at least half a car length on me before we hit the oncoming 3-way junction..My friend urged me to follow the DSM so i got back on his tail and passed the mo-fo(2-lane road perfectly legal)...He took the bait and got on my ass.....He were in midly congested traffic so i kept it chill while he continued to ride me like a donkey..we had an open road a few minutes later and i took off with the Eclipse in pursuit....He got beside me and i popped my tranny into neutral and let him knew that i too had Cold air induction....he shook his head and slowed down to take right onto this street while we drove off...hummph he must of felt intimidated

hummph he must of felt intimidated
Usually when someone shakes thier head at you after you rev a car (slower than thiers) it is not really intimidation. More of, well lets just say your lucky he turned off.

I have a 1999 GT, and 90% of the DSMs around here would hand me my ass. However, they are mostly heavily modified, and most are GS-X. Maybe ill give some runs from a roll. I cant wait till I get the $ for my turbo project...then well have fun, even with thier AWD launch like hell.

Mustang?

Dind't you have a turbo Prius?

u mean a Turbo Echo??....Nah i was bullshittin then..but this shit right here is 99.9% genuine i have admitted my bs and i will never do it again

okay.

Uh...just reread my post, sounded like I was aiming at you, rather I was just pointing out that thier is no shame in losing to a DSM.

dude, it was a supercharged echo...

he continued to ride me like a donkey

LOL, bwahhahahahahahahahaaaaa....(damn smiley faces aren't working for me).....atleast you show no shame. So was that a kill or death, or flat out tie. Shaking his head at you was him merely telling you, "You aren't worth my time" or "Can't do it right now, this is my exit." There could have been many possibilities as to why he shook his head at you. To tell you, I fear a lot of DSM's. They're tough cookies. So you don't know what the outcome would have been had he tried to race you.

I've raced few mustang V6's and to tell you, I've beaten a couple with just cold air. And I drive a Civic. I wouldn't give your car that much credit just because you have CAI now. K? Late...

no, it was both!

Was it a turbo dsm?

It doesn't sound like it was...

and honestly, CAIs are not exactly intimidating.

Not trying to repeat what these others have said, but if someone shakes their head at you, it's more of a "not worth my time or gas" type thing.

Also, "cruising" on New Year's eve, especially trying to bait someone for a race, doesn't seem like a good idea to me. The night is notorious for a reason.

LOL. All you need now are some Cobra R Wheels, GT Side emblems, and dual exhaust. Hey, just dont rev you car, and maybe people wont shake their head at you. lol.

BTW, hoe do you HEAR a CAI?

cai dsm i am lost wat are these is it anything like jdm japanise demostic model???

did you hear his CAI or his turbo? did you hear a bov when he shift? if it was a non turbo dsm you probably had nothig to worry about, but if it was a turbo he would smoke you

DSM = Diamond star motors. ( and american built lot of Mitsubishi cars built in Illinois) the CAI is Cold air intake

Burtrice...HOW THE HELL DO YOU HEAR A CAI?
I have been actively driving and tunning cars for 9 years now, what the hell is the sound of a CAI cause seriously there is no way anyone could tell if a car had CAI, Short ram, or a simple open air filter from a rev at 4 feet away.
and its about time someone read a thread from ya where you dont get slaughtered. way to go chief.

the only thing i'm thinkin of is that he heard the sound of some type of intake and automatically assumed that it was CAI...i put just a cone filter on both of my cars and it made the engine do the tell-tale WHUMP noise too...but i also heard that if u have a true CAI it is quieter than having just a short ram air or just the cone filter. and also...it most likely was not turbo'd because i was keeping up with a non-turbo'd 2nd gen talon and i started off in low RPMs to boot...

DSMs are supposedly the easiest cars to work on, and with awd, a v6 mustang would stand absolutely no chance.

I cant tell the diff between a CAI or any other intake...Hell, the only time I can even hear it is if I'm in the car Im in...nice story anyways.

Ah, he's just new to the whole matter. I'm assuming this is like his very first performance mod ever on any car he's owned. True it does change the tone of your exhaust and make it sound meaner, but that doesn't mean everyone has CAI under the hood. What you are probably hearing is the intake sucking in air. I tend to hear a little psshhh when my car starts to suck in more are. Like most have mentioned, even a simple cone filter could change that.

Nonetheless, I think everyone should stop ripping on the poor kid, including myself. Atleast he's admitted to his faults, and is now becoming a descent contributor to these forums. So from me, Burntrice, I apologize for previous statements towards you. And don't worry it is an honest mistake to assume you heard CAI. Good story anyhow. Late...

I agree with Civ here. I try to give the guy a break when I can.

I actually already have started that by helping him alil here and there (including stand forums). However I cant help adding alil comment here or there...

DSM = Diamond star motors. ( and american built lot of Mitsubishi cars built in Illinois) the CAI is Cold air intake

Burtrice...HOW THE HELL DO YOU HEAR A CAI?
I have been actively driving and tunning cars for 9 years now, what the hell is the sound of a CAI cause seriously there is no way anyone could tell if a car had CAI, Short ram, or a simple open air filter from a rev at 4 feet away.
and its about time someone read a thread from ya where you dont get slaughtered. way to go chief.


HAHAHA :biggrin: BURN!!!

From the way he describes it it sounds to me like it was a base model 1.8 SOHC. cause I had a 2.0 DOHC n/a and it too smoked v6 ponies. and no I wassnt ripping on him, I'm glad he smoked someone, this poor guy gets crap from everyone, you BS once and they just never let it go. Its cool to see he takes it like a man, accepts he made a mistake and dosent cry about the fact that we still mess around with him, to me that desserves serious respect.
Hello my name is Eddie Urbina and I am a Burntrice fan!

i'm not ripping the guy, i'm just saying no stock mustang v6 or v8 can touch a turbo dsm. the new 05's are a little faster so they are different, but besides that there's just no way. a gt might get me off the line cause i only got FWD, but as soon as i get boost he's gone.

silly guy

i've heard you say twice that a dsm can outrun a mustang gt

stock for stock a 99-03 mustang gt runs low 14's, like 14.1

your car is a low 15 high 14's car

so which is faster?

don't go by simply what you have seen on the street. sure a modded dsm can beat a stock stang gt, but a modded anything can beat almost any car, so thats a pointless comment.



http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

there's your mustang gt stats

i'm confused...intimidated?...no most likely not, V6 stangs won't race me for crap (besides one and i'm waiting for tires) because they know...they are slow, now the turbo dsms are a little bit faster stock for stock than my car so i find it hard to believe that you intimidated a turbo dsm or for that matter a non-turbo 4g63 dsm just because the power to weight ratio is not in favor of your 3.8 liter 150 hp pushrod V6 3,000lbs compared to a 2.0 liter dohc i4 2600?? prolly less pounds

if you live nearby i know a couple guys w/ V6 mustangs that'll race you for gas $$

know your competition...know them better than they know themselves...and especially NT eclipses, 240's, honda's, and cavaliers because that will be your best competition

as for an eclipse beating one of the newer generation mustang GT's? w/ the mods you've listed treefrog, you'd only beat it if a grandma had a heartattack driving it and didn't hit he gas pedal down all the way
i've seen dsm's run stangs...intake, exhaust, bov, lowered, and upped the boost and could not keep up before the stang missed third gear....then again he couldn't keep up w/ me until he hit third gear so figure that one

as for an eclipse beating one of the newer generation mustang GT's? w/ the mods you've listed treefrog, you'd only beat it if a grandma had a heartattack driving it and didn't hit he gas pedal down all the way

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yeah i know the new generation stang gt is no joke. all i'm saying is a few bills on a turbo DSM and it can spank the older GT's all day. how do i know? because a few basic mods can easly get a turbo dsm into the high 13's or low 14's with very little tuning.

silly guy

i've heard you say twice that a dsm can outrun a mustang gt

stock for stock a 99-03 mustang gt runs low 14's, like 14.1

your car is a low 15 high 14's car

so which is faster?

don't go by simply what you have seen on the street. sure a modded dsm can beat a stock stang gt, but a modded anything can beat almost any car, so thats a pointless comment.



http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

there's your mustang gt stats

Thanks you just saved me quite a bit of time.
stock for stock any 00+ gt mustang will take you off the line and you most likely won't get the chance to see his front bumper ever again, believe me, these v8 00+ stangs make up plenty for their v6 model's shortcomings and lack of speed.
This isn't to say you can't put about $1,000-$2,000 into the gs-t/gsx and have it rape anything out there on the road but stock for stock it wouldn't be pretty. Believe me, I have tried.
Edit - you beat me to the response, well said. The 2g turbo dsm's are an excellent platform to tune for the cash.

As far as this so called WHUMP, I hope this wasn't mistaken for turbo spool or an odd blow off valve. I've only really ever been able to hear a cone intake when at a standstill and the windows down giving hard revvs but even then its just a brief SLURP.

*wonders what a DSM is...*

>.<

silly guy

i've heard you say twice that a dsm can outrun a mustang gt

stock for stock a 99-03 mustang gt runs low 14's, like 14.1

your car is a low 15 high 14's car

so which is faster?

don't go by simply what you have seen on the street. sure a modded dsm can beat a stock stang gt, but a modded anything can beat almost any car, so thats a pointless comment.



http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

there's your mustang gt stats

Thanx, I love when people tell it how it really is. I was gonna say, how does his almost stock car beat a GT? First he says how after the launch the GT has no chance. But of course, as soon as someone who knows his cars says something about it, he changes his story to "IF" he mods his car. Isn't his car turboed? So practically, a GT has no chance against him? :screwy: And btw, a 99 Mustang is not new, it's 6 years old and it will still beat you. An 05 will destroy you.
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That guy has been ripping on peoples' cars for a while and without even telling the truth. I love when people try to make their shit sound like the greatest thing in the world and get owned by people who know their cars.

I'm not a Mustang fan, but even I know that it will beat you. Be a little bit realistic. Does your shit smell like cologne too?

Wow, thanks...you guys saved me lots of posts. but I decided to post anyway. I've beat them fancy pants GSXs with their AWD...I know I can take a GS-T. And someone said something about him getting dual exhaust, gt stuff...That reminds me of a 'cobra' I saw the other day. I saw him pull out...dude..it looked so convincing. I was like WOW, a cobra! and then I heard him accelerate. and I started laughing. Poor little six bangers. And um...since when is a six cylinder mustang a race car? Pfft...intimidating. shit dude..you MIGHT intimidate some kind of kia or hyundai but if that guy was turbo'd..no way.

Beat the pants off a gsx with a 2002 mustang. Okay, if you have a V8, then that makes it a race, but certainly not beating the pants off one. I love how this thread is turning into a import vs domestic fight(okay, domestic sport compact vs domestic).
Treefrog: I got your back man, we won't let these fords guys treat us like this, there just jealous.
A V6 mustang is a race with a n/t dsm, well, a slightly modded n/t makes it a race. You take your V6 against a tsi, or tsi awd, and you will get raped, that is final, if nobody misses a shift, or breaks, you will get raped. I have yet to see a video of a V8 mustang racing a dsm, so i can't say anything about that, since i have no proof or knowledge.

Um? Can you read? I said I "beat those fancy pants GSXs with their AWD". I never said I beat the pants off of anything.

okay, my bad, but still i bet the gsx wasn't running good, or the driver was crap, cuz you should have lost. Unless you are an unbelievably good driver. A gsx will kill you off the start, and then its all about you catching up, which isn't easy:()

They made a GSX in 99? and I don't have a 99 mustang...I have an 02, just to let you know. and less than a second is a huge difference in quarter mile...are you insane? I think you mean a tenth? because there's definitely a difference in 15 seconds and 14 seconds. and I'm not buying the 'it wasn't running good' or the driver was crap. he was a good driver...but I'm just a better driver.

Well, 75% of the time, a turbo dsm, is not running good, trust me, and you can ask any dsmer. Yes, my tsi is at a 14 second quarter right now. Yes, 99 was the last year they made the gsx, dsm was technically over in 98(because eagle died), but mitsu continued the car for 1 more year.

treefrog you should calm down. just because you're wrong doesn't mean you have to get all bent out of shape. pro3racer is actually continuing on with a decent conversation whereas you're going 'ahh oh no mr big bad V8 muscle car guy is faster than me and i don't wanna admit it ohhhh'. oh yeah..treefrog..you wouldn't be able to hang with me. you ran a 14.9@91mph.

hahaha. did he delete his posts?

I never trust the timeslips on this site, there usuall never updated, so i don't bother looking at them.

What!!!, gotta go back to the dsm forums, find out whats wrong? haha. I didn't know you could even do that! oh well, guess i am the only remaining dsmer to carry on.

it was on his cardomain site.

I'm sorry man, this guy was a poor excuse for a dsmer, his only performace mod is a K&N. His car probably does run a 14.9, if hes good, most likely a 15. Too bad, a good car with all that sound equipment, waste of a fast car in my opinion.

Great, now some noob has started a domestic vs import thread. I'd generally rather drive an import than domestics, but unlike you losers, I stay realistic and use common sense. A 99 + GT is faster than a GSX. Yes, it will have a better launch, but it won't last long enough. What's so hard to understand about FACTS? Maybe 2 out of 50 times a GSX will beat a GT if it's a shitty driver driving an automatic, but that's about it. 95% of the time, the GT will win.

well, i do admit that i have respect for the newer mustangs , but with all do respect to your 14.9... a stock GS-T and a good driver at GS-T can hit hight 14s... and i know from a roll i can take a 04 stang...with that said dont get all excited if you beat a GSX from a roll even a GS-T can beat a GSX from a roll...
But i gaurentee that a GSX will beat almost anyone on the initial launch...
*Just my thoughts*

TreeFrog, you're the biggest loser I've seen on this Forum. Burntrice, meet your subordinate.

You deleted your post, and you were actually quoted, so it's not like people can't see what you already said.

Thank you, TypeS. and 973eclipse...I've beat GSXs from a dig. beating a 99+ GT from a roll is nothing special. The only way I race from a roll is if it's from second gear..otherwise I wont have much of a chance against anything worth running.

ALRIGHT ALRIGHT stop this madness. Look at the fact you "import-power-i-hate-domestics" fags....mustang GT's 00+ are just plain faster than stock DSM's...yes even GSX's. Comparing modded cars is pointless, cause its all a matter of money at that point. I'm sorry if i offended treefrog here, but I absolutly hate it how people just get so damn cocky about their import just cause its turbocharged...doesnt mean it can beat the crap outta anything. Friend whos a shitty driver in a 02 mustang beat me pretty bad, but i dont have a problem with it at all...and thats how you make and keep more FRIENDS in the car world. Please, learn some 1/4 mile facts and then start bragging about your car. If you have a 9 second honda civic and bag on EVERYONE that has a car...nobody will say anything about it cause its probably true that you could take just about anything out, but you will appear as a cocky person, and nobody likes a big cock in a fast car. I own a GST with a few basic mods...but I neither drive around thinking im the shit, or talk crap to other ppl. Its all about the community...so stop talking shit and start discussing and get back in it.

Sorry just had to vent it.

It's a shame you don't speak your mind.....:D

i'm dropping out of this disscusion.

14.9 1/4 mile was a stock time from car and driver. as 97_3clipse said its a good time for a stock GST with a good driver.

I am not a poor excuse for a dsmer! but yes i am still a noob. I have a lot to learn still, and i'm sorry for offending anyone...

Well, i beleive a dsmer, is some one that does performance(speed) mods to there car, not audio, and suspension only. Good choice on dropping out, looks like you were going to get owned/fryed pretty soon.

Thank you, TypeS. and 973eclipse...I've beat GSXs from a dig. beating a 99+ GT from a roll is nothing special. The only way I race from a roll is if it's from second gear..otherwise I wont have much of a chance against anything worth running.
wait what kind of car do you have? <--- Just wondering......and to clear some things up when i said "dont get to excited if you beat a GSX from a roll" i was refering to everyone that was reading my post ,not just to one person <-- Clarified....

02 GT mustang 5spd. www.cardomain.com/id/silvrgt (http://www.cardomain.com/id/silvrgt)

Well, i beleive a dsmer, is some one that does performance(speed) mods to there car, not audio, and suspension only. Good choice on dropping out, looks like you were going to get owned/fryed pretty soon.

Doing performace mods in the spring. Injen intake, Greddy type-s BOV, dejon tool UICP, borla catback.

putting in a B&M short throw shifter and Symbroski bushings tomorrow

14.9 was a time gotten from a pro driver...which means you probably run a 15.1+

yes but 14.9 is possible for my car to do stock. since i don't plan on going to the track to find out. thats the best and most accurate for my car's 1/4 mile

It's possible for my car to run a 14 flat stock.

wow whats happening with thoes .9 seconds?

99+ GT Mustang is going to beat a stock GST or GSX any day.. considering both drivers are equal. I've never lost to a stock GST or GSX.. and I haven't even tried to race a newer Mustang GT because I already know how it would end up... I'd be looking at tail lights.

this makes me really want to stop streetracing cause im realizing how bias and argumentative ppl are about their cars, LOL, but its expected. I'll be a camera man...so no trouble for me. I think it has more than been decided guys...stock vs. stock - GT > DSM...end of discussion.

well, when someone with a slower car tries to tell me they're faster I have to prove to them they're wrong. what if someone was trying to tell you their stock civic was beating GS-Ts? Of course you'd be like 'no way, my car runs so and so time and yours runs so and so time slower!'.

well, when someone with a slower car tries to tell me they're faster I have to prove to them they're wrong. what if someone was trying to tell you their stock civic was beating GS-Ts? Of course you'd be like 'no way, my car runs so and so time and yours runs so and so time slower!'.


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