The truth about 03-04 Ford Mach 1’s

2003 Ford Mach 1 is a limited production car with 9652 coupe produced in 2003. A lot of people think they are HIGH 13’S ¼ mile cars for street dragging . And they are right almost. Just two fact remain that all Street Racers, Track Racers and Mach 1 Hunters alike need to know. Only 1943 units of those slow Mach 1’s one were built in 2003. (Mach 1 with 4-AUTO run 13.8‘s) The Mach 1 manuals, 7709 of them will run a 13.2 at 105.xx mph ALL STOCK with average driver and no K&N drop in filter. Why? Mach 1 Auto’s has less power technically. Second, it has a cast crank instead of a forged crank like the Mach 1 manual . (lower redline) DON’T LET MOTOR TREND LIE TO YOU!! (SRT-4, 350Z, GTO, WRX STI, EVO VIII, LS-1 power) Yes they tested a red 2003 Mach 1 at 13.80 @ 102.5 but it was indeed an AUTO. The links below to Motor Trend will prove this with a picture of the inside of their Red Mach 1, however they say in the article it’s a manual when you can see the auto selector. However, they did in get 13.2 @ 106.7 in a manual of which is expressed in the third Motor Trend link in the last paragraph.

04 Mach 1 Manual Automatic
Power 310 hp 308 hp
335 lb-ft 335 lb-ft
Compression 10.1:1 10.1:1
Redline 6800 rpm 5800 rpm
Fuel Cutoff 7050 rpm 6250 rpm
Curb 3465 lbs 3475 lbs
Final Drive 3:55:1 3:55:1
Top Speed 151 governed 126 governed
¼ mile 13.2 @ 106.7 13.80 @102.5

http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0212_mustang/index4.html
http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0212_mustang/index2.html
Click to enlarge interior
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0310_frst2_mach1/index.html

All Mach 1’s won’t be killed, whipped, or beaten by any STOCK SRT-4, 350Z, GTO, WRX STI, EVO VIII, LS-1 powered car.

Stock Car Suggestions
2004 SRT-4 Needs Stage 2 Mopar Kit (raced one, beat one)
2004 350Z invest in turbo are nitrous
2004 GTO lose weight curb 3774 ( raced one, beat one)
2002 Camaro SS Drivers race for sure
2004 WRX Sti 5,000 rpm Stage 2 clutch drop (at 40 mph roll raced one, beat one)
2004 EVO VIII Ditto WRX Sti (from zero mph raced one, beat one)
WRX Sti and EVO VIII are catch up races from a stop, and are hard and could lose if Mach 1 isn’t on his game. Mach 1’s need the ¼ mile and nothing less to win. Race from a roll Advantage Mach 1 stock for stock.
More power and less drivetran loss.

Note: All races are subject to conditions, driver, and the condition of the Racing Apparatus.

Yes, I have a 2003 Azure Blue Mach 1 with Borla Stinger Catback, K&N drop-in, and Diablo Sport Predator Programmer now. And I know that I can lose also stock or not. It's not the car, it's the money and time in it.

thats a damn nice car you have there, right color too. any future mods you plan to do to the car? possibly a blower?

100 shot of Nitrous and a custom tune on the Dyno with a wide band set up. However, I'm not going to do to much because I like to massage performance from a car. Not make it something different. If I need more power then I would have gotten an Cobra or Z06. Those cars should only be raced at a track and I’m not a track guy. Thank for your reply.

The 2004 SRT-4 has been known to run 13.4 in the 1/4-mile stock. That is a mere 2 tenths behind the manual and four tenths faster than the auto. Also the STi will match you in the 1/4 dead stock. You both run 13.2 in the 1/4 and I am not sure about the Evo. However, I'm not very impressed that you've beat both from a roll. Racing from a roll has never been and AWD cars strong suite, anyone knows that.

I'm not trying to discredit your car because it is a fast straight-line machine. However, don't discredit other people's cars when they are just as capable as yours. Discredit them for being worse drivers.

The 2004 SRT-4 has been known to run 13.4 in the 1/4-mile stock.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man, they are quick, but I want proof of a STOCK SRT-4 running that time. I don't buy it.


The Mach 1's are great cars, one of the better SN95 Mustang designs. The motor is awesome. Basicly the Cobra motor, but with higher compression.
I will say this though, I have not lost to one yet. And I ran one that was on a 75 shot. We ran doors. Neither pulling the other. I would beat him now, seeing as I have added headers and a cam.

I'm sorry, wrong number, the SRT-4 can run 13.9 in the 1/4 mile.

Ya what those Mach 1's have going for them is that nice gear ratio and high revving engine. Sweet cars.

13.9 for an SRT-4? im still not sure about that man. When Motor Trend or Road and Track did the 1/4 mile on the GTR34 and the GTR33, the R34 hit 13.4s and the R33 hit 14.0....? those are fake numbers. im guessing with a good driver the SRT-4 is possible with high 13s, but still...mid 13s for a Stock SRT-4..not sure, according to the Road and Track and Motor Trend info, that SRT-4 can beat an R33, and the SRT-4 would be a close match against the R34.

Yes. 13.9 is a high 13.. not a mid 13...

And it's more a drag car then a r33or4... they're all around cars.

Yes. 13.9 is a high 13.. not a mid 13...

And it's more a drag car then a r33or4... they're all around cars.

Not to mention much heavier.

Nice kill??? :wtf:

So you're saying no LS1 vehicles will beat a Mach1? Stock vs stock, my money is on the LS1

Thanks for your reply Polygon, Silver GTR34, GritMaster, Camaroincal and Devil. Now the gloves are off!!!!! I’m a newbe here, but I’ve been racing since Racing been racing. I'm in my mid twenties.

Let’s talk about Polygon statements on the STOCK Neon SRT-4. It is true the best performance deal in America hands down, but it’s surly NO 13.4 second ¼ MILE CAR with a stupendous driver. Secondly, I and my 2003 Mach 1 have beat the WRX Sti from a dig, from 0 mph, and from the red light and I do mean red light. I thought I clearly explained the racing circumstances of all those many races. I’ll repeat it again, “WRX Sti and EVO VIII are catch up races from a stop, and are hard and could lose if Mach 1 isn’t on his game. Mach 1’s need the ¼ mile and nothing less to win. Race from a roll Advantage Mach 1 stock for stock. More power and less drive train loss.” The information I will post will be backed by magazines and Mustang Dynamometer tests, however the truth in all my statements come from the personal races I’ve done here in Littlerock AR. And St. Louis MO. Real cars and real people. Don’t worry about discrediting me or Mach 1’s because the longer people feel the way you do about the Mach 1’s, it will bring about more wins and further education. WRX Sti and EVO VIII drivers will not waste their 5,000 rpm clutch drops on the Mach 1’s any more with incorrect info and then Mach 1 average driver will get another KILL to post. However, I hope most people will keep KILLS to them so they will not incriminate themselves to the law. I will post the truth about Neon SRT-4 today because my best friend has one and I drive it all the time because he can’t react to the car and shift as good as I do in racing situations. I got a new statement for you all with info to back it up.

Statement
A Ford Mach 1 can and will run a 13.1 @ 105.35 with a 2.03 60 foot time. Only a real care driver can net these times. I’m lucky because I’m a Tru Mach 1 Racer!!




Articles for your viewing pleasers.
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0404mm_must/index.html
Go straight to the Conclusion area at the bottom
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0303MM_Mach1/index.html

Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills. You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills...

Uh....Think what y'all want, ill still put my money on a LS1...Now not to get mean to mustangs or anything, but i hate them. I actuly like the mach one...I hate the new mustang, and i hated every one made after the mustang that had a 4 cyl...I think it was in like 78 they changed or something?Well...I gotta admit, I love older mustangs...Anyways, stock to stock...I think the LS1 would kill you...Whatever, I like mach ones, I didn't think they were that fast tho..If your telling the truth about there numbers then the LS1 would be a looser...

All Mach 1’s won’t be killed, whipped, or beaten by any STOCK SRT-4, 350Z, GTO, WRX STI, EVO VIII, LS-1 powered car.

I don't know about the Evo, but stock for stock, your Mach 1 will beat the SRT-4 and 350Z for sure. You will be dead even in the 1/4 with the STi. If it's a 2005 GTO, the GTO will win (LS2, 400bhp). Other than the 2004 GTO, all other LS1 cars (Camaro, Firebird, Corvette) will beat your Mach 1. Base model LS1 Corvettes aren't hard to get into the 12's bone stock with a good driver. There are some LS1 Camaros and Firebirds that run 13.0-13.1 bone stock also (I say "some" because it has been proven that not all factory LS1's are the exact same--some differ by 20hp).

I am not knocking your car. Although I have an LS1 Camaro, I am a Mustang fan. When I was looking for a new car, it was between a 98 LS1 Camaro and a 96 SVT Cobra. The only reason I got the Camaro is because another guy outbid me on the Cobra :crying: but that's neither here nor there. I'm just saying that I'm a Mustang fan, and I'm not trying to discredit your accusations, but I'm just stating the facts.

Um, from the start any turbo awd car would take you. Im telling you a reg wrrx hits like 40 at launch...itwould be pretty hard to catch up...Again, I like the mach 1's but...I think your thinking to much of them..

I don't know about the Evo, but stock for stock, your Mach 1 will beat the SRT-4 and 350Z for sure. You will be dead even in the 1/4 with the STi. If it's a 2005 GTO, the GTO will win (LS2, 400bhp). Other than the 2004 GTO, all other LS1 cars (Camaro, Firebird, Corvette) will beat your Mach 1. Base model LS1 Corvettes aren't hard to get into the 12's bone stock with a good driver. There are some LS1 Camaros and Firebirds that run 13.0-13.1 bone stock also (I say "some" because it has been proven that not all factory LS1's are the exact same--some differ by 20hp).

I am not knocking your car. Although I have an LS1 Camaro, I am a Mustang fan. When I was looking for a new car, it was between a 98 LS1 Camaro and a 96 SVT Cobra. The only reason I got the Camaro is because another guy outbid me on the Cobra :crying: but that's neither here nor there. I'm just saying that I'm a Mustang fan, and I'm not trying to discredit your accusations, but I'm just stating the facts.


That's a pretty high trap for a mid 14 time. Work on your launch :biggrin:

So you're saying no LS1 vehicles will beat a Mach1? Stock vs stock, my money is on the LS1

New Statement
Myth dispelled, No all 2000 thru 2002 STOCK Trams Am’s and Camaro’s can run 13 second flat ¼ miles or 13.2 to beat a STOCK Mach. This car has an estimated curb weight of 3,600 pound. Power is the situation here. Look at Articles at the bottom. Truth be told, WS-6 Trans Am if my favorite street racer car and is the fastest around my stopping grounds with MODS. I bought the Ford Mach 1 because I didn’t want someone else used hotrod, dogged out car. I needed something I could make my own racing memories with whether they be KILLS at my expense or the other drivers expense. All while keep my warranty and not breaking down. Trans Am eats reared gears and transmissions STOCK, Evo VIII will give up clutches and differentials STOCK with baddass hole shots and the dealer my kill you and warranty for that, WRX Sti ditto EVO VIII. Mach 1’s waste Goodyear’s STOCK, however one my chose to run 12.6 second ¼ mile with M/T Streets or Nitto’s Cheaters and then will break the rearend STOCK.
Look people, I work hard for my money and have a Tru EVERYDAY DRIVER. I can be braking for the glory of a win and or void the whole 3 year 36,000 mile warranty.


2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 13.57 @ 101.9 curb with driver 3,730
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0211gmhtp_realworld/index.html

2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 13.25 @ 106.4
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/index.html (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/index.html)

2000 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Convertible 13.8 @ 104
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3480&page_number=5 (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3480&page_number=5)

2000 SLP Trans Am 10th-Anniversary Firehawk 13.6 @ 106 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3505&page_number=2 (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3505&page_number=2)

2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 13.5 @ 107.4 mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_9912_firebird/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_9912_firebird/index.html)


These time are true, not because I want them to be but they are. And don’t tell me that nobody at Car and Driver, Motor Trend and GM HIGH-TECH PERFORMANCE can’T drive because I’ve e-mailed some of them for driving tips and I have tasted and they were good!

Um, from the start any turbo awd car would take you. Im telling you a reg wrrx hits like 40 at launch...itwould be pretty hard to catch up...Again, I like the mach 1's but...I think your thinking to much of them..

Where is you simple proof. Something everybody can’t search threw and come to a simple conclusion that I in fact did not win these races is speak of and my proof false because I’m a self centered Mach 1 owner. I lover all the cars I speak on, and I do real research. I do and test drive them. I let people drive the Mach 1 if they let me drive their car, and I mean drive that b%#&h. Real cars real people. I have been beat up buy a few and have won a few, I made obvious. However, if you got one of these beautiful cars that the Mach 1 not stand a chance against, then go ah Mach 1 Manual hunting and find out for yourself. Meet the driver and make sure your equal and find out.



My goal and motto:

Reach One, Teach One, or Beat One. That’s Street Racing Baby!!!

now why do people have to bring up the GT-R's for? the ones they tested were throughly used cars they got from motorex.

the true 1/4 mile times for a stock R33 and R34 GT-R's are 12.9's average.

and the GT-R is more of a drag car then a SRT-4 because it has the altessa ets pro which is awd only when needed off the line, or for a hard shift. afterwards, its pure rwd.

also you guys are underestimating hte AWD cars from a roll.

the 05 STi's are putting down 260hp at all 4 wheels. the 04 STi's were putting down 256hp at all 4 wheels.

the 04 EVO's were putting down from mid 230's to as high as 243hp at all 4 wheels, and the new MR put down 246 hp at all 4 wheels and it hasn't even been fully broken in yet.

these cars are very very very underrated from the factory.

I don't know about the Evo, but stock for stock, your Mach 1 will beat the SRT-4 and 350Z for sure. You will be dead even in the 1/4 with the STi. If it's a 2005 GTO, the GTO will win (LS2, 400bhp). Other than the 2004 GTO, all other LS1 cars (Camaro, Firebird, Corvette) will beat your Mach 1. Base model LS1 Corvettes aren't hard to get into the 12's bone stock with a good driver. There are some LS1 Camaros and Firebirds that run 13.0-13.1 bone stock also (I say "some" because it has been proven that not all factory LS1's are the exact same--some differ by 20hp).

I am not knocking your car. Although I have an LS1 Camaro, I am a Mustang fan. When I was looking for a new car, it was between a 98 LS1 Camaro and a 96 SVT Cobra. The only reason I got the Camaro is because another guy outbid me on the Cobra :crying: but that's neither here nor there. I'm just saying that I'm a Mustang fan, and I'm not trying to discredit your accusations, but I'm just stating the facts.

did you read the few last posts? Mybe not. That's ok, prove your facts. As for the new 2005 GTO, the one the finally did right, your are correct. It's wins, have not raced one but my moded Mach 1 will see that STOCK and be ready. If you looked at second post of mine, i know what vettes are all about, I will show you my friend Z06 in a little bit. Just for the record, my new Mach 1 was $31,000 and there was a 2002 Z06 with 22,000 miles on it for $32,500 and I could have done that, but i would'nt drive it everyday and this is my first factory new car. I've had it with used cars. But it was tempting. The GTO is still fat with Z06 power. 2002 Z06 curb 3100 est.

now why do people have to bring up the GT-R's for? the ones they tested were throughly used cars they got from motorex.

the true 1/4 mile times for a stock R33 and R34 GT-R's are 12.9's average.

and the GT-R is more of a drag car then a SRT-4 because it has the altessa ets pro which is awd only when needed off the line, or for a hard shift. afterwards, its pure rwd.

also you guys are underestimating hte AWD cars from a roll.

the 05 STi's are putting down 260hp at all 4 wheels. the 04 STi's were putting down 256hp at all 4 wheels.

the 04 EVO's were putting down from mid 230's to as high as 243hp at all 4 wheels, and the new MR put down 246 hp at all 4 wheels and it hasn't even been fully broken in yet.

these cars are very very very underrated from the factory.


I'm don't know much about the car you speak of, could you educate me. Put links of info in here.

Uh....Think what y'all want, ill still put my money on a LS1...Now not to get mean to mustangs or anything, but i hate them. I actuly like the mach one...I hate the new mustang, and i hated every one made after the mustang that had a 4 cyl...I think it was in like 78 they changed or something?Well...I gotta admit, I love older mustangs...Anyways, stock to stock...I think the LS1 would kill you...Whatever, I like mach ones, I didn't think they were that fast tho..If your telling the truth about there numbers then the LS1 would be a looser...

LS-1 is never a loser. I said "STOCK FOR STOCK MAN TRANS MACH AND MAN TRANS LS-1 IS DRIVERS RACE".
I have gotten KILLED by LS-1 baddas driver STOCK before and like wise I have given a LESSON to a LS-1 baddas.

Am I going to have to find the guy that ran a 12.8 with his completely STOCK Trans Am WS.6.

The Mach 1 comes in weighing about the same as the Trans Am's. The Trans Am's make more power. It is very much so a driver's race.

From a roll, advantage LS1. From what I understand, the Mach 1's are getting better 60' times, and that is making up for the power they give to the LS1.

Am I going to have to find the guy that ran a 12.8 with his completely STOCK Trans Am WS.6.

The Mach 1 comes in weighing about the same as the Trans Am's. The Trans Am's make more power. It is very much so a driver's race.

From a roll, advantage LS1. From what I understand, the Mach 1's are getting better 60' times, and that is making up for the power they give to the LS1.


Exactly in a 1/4 mile race a stick MACH1 and stick LS-1 car is a complete driver's race. The MACH1 is making up any hp difference in the 1/4 mile with better gearing and suspension tweaks over a GT for a better straight line launch.

I'm don't know much about the car you speak of, could you educate me. Put links of info in here.


haha you wouldn't have to worry about those cars, they were never officially sold here in the states by nissan. there is a small 3rd party company that imports them and sells them at a ridiculous price.

you might be more familiar with the name Nissan Skyline GT-R.

i doubt you will ever see one in person.

here are pics in case if your still clueless about them.

here are hte R34's

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/photopost/data/552/435SAU_009-med.jpg

here they are from behind.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/photopost/data/552/252DSC_1197-med.jpg

the R33 are the older models

http://www.japanparts.com/shop/pic/cars/r33.jpg

http://www.navic.co.jp/asso/image/skyline.gif

heres a side shot of a R34

http://www.sg-nagatsuta.bias.ne.jp/~antonio/junfot/R34-GTR-side.jpg

official rating is only 276hp but true specs are closer to 300hp at all 4 wheels. the car weights from 3200 lbs for hte oldest R32, up to 3500 lbs for a R34.

the weight to 1/4 mile times proves that 300hp at all 4 wheels is pretty accurate.

haha you wouldn't have to worry about those cars, they were never officially sold here in the states by nissan. there is a small 3rd party company that imports them and sells them at a ridiculous price.

you might be more familiar with the name Nissan Skyline GT-R.

i doubt you will ever see one in person.

official rating is only 276hp but true specs are closer to 300hp at all 4 wheels. the car weights from 3200 lbs for hte oldest R32, up to 3500 lbs for a R34.

the weight to 1/4 mile times proves that 300hp at all 4 wheels is pretty accurate.

Could you also put articles from major mags with REAL 1/4 MILE, BRAKING, TOP SPEED, AND ECT. And yes, i have heard the name Skyline.

Id say the majority of the cars mentioned here in a drag race would be a drivers race since they all run in the 13's They are all very nice and very fast...ok? ;)

Id say the majority of the cars mentioned here in a drag race would be a drivers race since they all run in the 13's They are all very nice and very fast...ok? ;)

You have hit the nail on the head!! A very clean unbias statment about these baddas cars.

Could you also put articles from major mags with REAL 1/4 MILE, BRAKING, TOP SPEED, AND ECT. And yes, i have heard the name Skyline.

no articles since it was never official released here. however i have tons of video from bestmotoring ( its a japanese auto series that test stock japanese production cars driven by pro drivers. i would list the names of them but i doubt you would know them so i won't bother ) if you are at all curious just pm me and i'll send the videos to you via aim.

stock top speed is no too impressive. with the limiter taken off, its about 160mph because of its blocky aerodynamics. braking is varied depending on conditions, but they do come with 4 piston brembo's stock on 13 inch rotors up front with 2 piston 12.7 inch brembos in the back. they usually stop in the low 110ft range from 60-0 ft.

they are quit compariable to a porsche 911 turbo around a circuit. i also have a bmi video that proves this.

no articles since it was never official released here. however i have tons of video from bestmotoring ( its a japanese auto series that test stock japanese production cars driven by pro drivers. i would list the names of them but i doubt you would know them so i won't bother ) if you are at all curious just pm me and i'll send the videos to you via aim.

stock top speed is no too impressive. with the limiter taken off, its about 160mph because of its blocky aerodynamics. braking is varied depending on conditions, but they do come with 4 piston brembo's stock on 13 inch rotors up front with 2 piston 12.7 inch brembos in the back. they usually stop in the low 110ft range from 60-0 ft.

they are quit compariable to a porsche 911 turbo around a circuit. i also have a bmi video that proves this.

Sounds like another worthy car for racing. And thanks for your worthy replies.

Sounds like another worthy car for racing. And thanks for your worthy replies.


heh thats if you ever come across one. but remember most of these cars that make it here are moded. these things takes mods like twin turbo supra's.

there is a moderator that sometimes hangs out at the streetracing forums. his name is razorgtr, his R32 GT-R has only about 3000 invested, and he runs a 12.0@ 117mph. since the R32 and R33's have a 5 speed compared to the R34's 6 speed. he finishes the 1/4 mile in only 3rd gear becsaue 3rd gear takes you up to 120mph.

the regions where you will have the highest chance to run into one of them will be in southern california, arizona, texa's, and there are like 3 of them in new york.

heh thats if you ever come across one. but remember most of these cars that make it here are moded. these things takes mods like twin turbo supra's.

there is a moderator that sometimes hangs out at the streetracing forums. his name is razorgtr, his R32 GT-R has only about 3000 invested, and he runs a 12.0@ 117mph. since the R32 and R33's have a 5 speed compared to the R34's 6 speed. he finishes the 1/4 mile in only 3rd gear becsaue 3rd gear takes you up to 120mph.

the regions where you will have the highest chance to run into one of them will be in southern california, arizona, texa's, and there are like 3 of them in new york.

That sounds about normal for $3000 invested in a great car to start with, how would one cost US dollars.

There cost is not that much to get a skyline, Its legalizing them that is a total bitch...It might cost more then the skyline its self..(Oh and my proof? Sit in any subaru turbo AWD...Launch it...You'll see...I don't know if i missed something but you did not race the sti from a dead stop? If you did, you would be amazed at how they launch...)

carnutt actually has a friend selling a black R34 GT-R for only 50K.

however if you were to buy them from motorex, a R34 will cost 100K, a R33 will cost 50K, and a R32 will cost around 45K.

in japan they cost 50K new.

Thats not legalized right? doesn't that cost like 15,000 to get it legal?

New Statement
Myth dispelled, No all 2000 thru 2002 STOCK Trams Am’s and Camaro’s can run 13 second flat ¼ miles or 13.2 to beat a STOCK Mach. This car has an estimated curb weight of 3,600 pound.

curb weight is 3449 on an LS1 camaro. My race weight is 3650

Power is the situation here. Look at Articles at the bottom. Truth be told, WS-6 Trans Am if my favorite street racer car and is the fastest around my stopping grounds with MODS. I bought the Ford Mach 1 because I didn’t want someone else used hotrod, dogged out car. I needed something I could make my own racing memories with whether they be KILLS at my expense or the other drivers expense. All while keep my warranty and not breaking down. Trans Am eats reared gears and transmissions STOCK, Evo VIII will give up clutches and differentials STOCK with baddass hole shots and the dealer my kill you and warranty for that, WRX Sti ditto EVO VIII. Mach 1’s waste Goodyear’s STOCK, however one my chose to run 12.6 second ¼ mile with M/T Streets or Nitto’s Cheaters and then will break the rearend STOCK.
Look people, I work hard for my money and have a Tru EVERYDAY DRIVER. I can be braking for the glory of a win and or void the whole 3 year 36,000 mile warranty.


2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 13.57 @ 101.9 curb with driver 3,730
http://www.gmhightechperformance.com/features/0211gmhtp_realworld/index.html
You forgot to mention that was an all option 35th Anniversary Conv A4: that's the slowest of the slow combo (leather interior, power everything, CD-changer).

2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 13.25 @ 106.4
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/index.html (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_deathmatch/index.html)
I won't argue with these times, but I will point out that was with a so-so 60',
it was once again a heavier 35th Anniversary Model (leather, T-Tops, CD-changer, rw-defroster), and it wasn't even the top of the line SS (no SLP options, their catback is worth another 5rwhp/5rwtq, their blackwing lid is debateable).

"Smith got the hang of the launch (2.15 60-ft.) and blazed the track in 13.252 at 106.42."

2000 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Convertible 13.8 @ 104
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3480&page_number=5 (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3480&page_number=5)

2000 SLP Trans Am 10th-Anniversary Firehawk 13.6 @ 106 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3505&page_number=2 (http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=26&article_id=3505&page_number=2)

2000 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 13.5 @ 107.4 mph
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_9912_firebird/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_9912_firebird/index.html)

Unless they list a 60' I'll take those ET's with a grain of salt. Look at those trap speeds for Pete's sake. A 106mph 1/4 trap should be good for a 13.0 flat with a 2.0 60'.

These time are true, not because I want them to be but they are. And don’t tell me that nobody at Car and Driver, Motor Trend and GM HIGH-TECH PERFORMANCE can’T drive because I’ve e-mailed some of them for driving tips and I have tasted and they were good!



All hail the mighty Mach 1 :confused:. Your statements are so biased I had to reply to your post. Corrections to your generalizations are embedded above in italics.

First of all I don't magazine race. I've raced several Mach1's at the strip in various states of tune and have won a few and lost a few. The Mach 1's suspension and gearing are set-up for the 1/4. Those things get out of the hole much better than an F-body. Give me a secong to scan and post some timeslips.

All hail the mighty Mach 1 :confused:. Your statements are so biased I had to reply to your post. Corrections to your generalizations are embedded above in italics.

First of all I don't magazine race. I've raced several Mach1's at the strip in various states of tune and have won a few and lost a few. The Mach 1's suspension and gearing are set-up for the 1/4. Those things get out of the hole much better than an F-body. Give me a secong to scan and post some timeslips.
Thank you also for you comments Danno SS.
Now with that said, let make a few things clear.
1. I estimated curb weight so kill me.


2. I don’t see anything wrong with racing a car with all the amenities like the FULLY LOADED 35TH ANNIVERSARY. I would buy nothing less for I have a Mach 1 fully loaded with after market sound system and refuse to take out my spare tire and 10 inch triple stacked magnet dual voice .

3. I didn’t suggest that these are the best times ever made STOCK, however they are well recorded. I drive them too. Look at my own pics below.

4. And Mr. Smith launch and did the damn thang!! As should anybody who get the chance to drive such a great car.

5. The Mach 1 IS NOT ALL MIGHT NOR BIASED.

6. HELL, have you looked at you signature lately. Those are great times, are you a average or expert driver.

7. I don’t magazine race, and you need to wise up are read better. I said at the beginning that I’m only going to speak on what I know. That mean I do this race Shit for real. Don’t play games. I wish you and I lived across an old highway. I would come see you and raise one and of you would do the same I‘m sure. THE MAGZINES ARE REFENCE POINTS ONLY!


Also new statement
Speed is proportional to money, how fast do you want to go.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/BlackmanbetweenHotness.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/TransAmpic1.jpgHis car got a Z06 motor with cams, Daiblo Tune, Nitto's, and SLP full exhast. I lose often to him from the hole shot by 4 car some time 5 easy.

Tell him to ditch the diablo tune, and he would probably beat you by more.

Tell him to ditch the diablo tune, and he would probably beat you by more.

So, you mean he shoud get the LS-1 edit software. You all didn't think I was relly up on that real race shit, I told yall my fav car is the Trans Am WS-6, however i will not help him bet my ass by more, ya dig.

Understood. Diablo tuner is just about the worst on the market. I really haven't heard anything good about it.

Most I know use LS1Edit, HP Tuners(?), or AutoTap. Or a mix of 2 or 3 of those.

Understood. Diablo tuner is just about the worst on the market. I really haven't heard anything good about it.

Most I know use LS1Edit, HP Tuners(?), or AutoTap. Or a mix of 2 or 3 of those.

In Little Rock, they are all up on that LS-1 edit shit. Man they do that stuff at the house for dinner. I got a ? Do you think I'm faking with a heavy case of bias on these post?

Do you think I'm faking with a heavy case of bias on these post?

A touch. But nothing more than I would expect. I try to stay as nuetral as possible when it comes to the Mustang Vs. F-Body stuff, but I know I lean towards the F-Body. I know more about them.

A touch. But nothing more than I would expect. I try to stay as nuetral as possible when it comes to the Mustang Vs. F-Body stuff, but I know I lean towards the F-Body. I know more about them.

I've showed reasonal amount of proof with one claim as for as LS-1 powed cars go. That is all LS-1 cars don't run 13 flat STOCK with expert driver or not. Hence making good race for Mach 1's only. And to add to that WRX Sti and EVO VIII are good for that kind of race. Hell, everybody with All-wheel drive runs High 12's STOCK, LS-1 Power F-body High 12's STOCK and all Mach 1's High 13's STOCK as most have it due to bad magzines typo's like the Motor Trend i show everybody. And I'm bias, no, people have not been hearing the truth. What did you run STOCK and if you aint STOCK what you run now and have you KILLED WRX Sti and EVO VIII from stop. The whole story, car lenths and all.

A touch. But nothing more than I would expect. I try to stay as nuetral as possible when it comes to the Mustang Vs. F-Body stuff, but I know I lean towards the F-Body. I know more about them.
Also is said my friend KILLS me often with that LS-6 motor in his WS-6. Gave car lengths and all. I even said I've been killed STOCK vs STOCK and done the same as some did to me. That can't be too bias. I didn't even praise the Cobra as other Mustang drivers do when they lose a race or argument. Secondly, I'm a bad man in any car I drive. If I had a Ford Escort or EVO VIII i would be showing my ass as best as possble. Add I can buy each of them right now. All I care about is the race and the race only and that's why my car aint STOCK but reasonably moded.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/MachandZ06pic1.jpg

An LS6 in a WS.6??? They never came with an LS6. Did he swap one in?

An LS6 in a WS.6??? They never came with an LS6. Did he swap one in?

Yes, he blow up the LS-1 with a chager on it and pull the charger all outt of and when to the dealer and got it replaced under warranty with a little money under the table, plus they didn't happen to have his year LS-1 made any more factory fresh. That's why some of the later F bodys are faster. They all dont have the same block. The top end of the last years engines are LS-1's and thats about all. Find the right car and change the top end of th motor and Mach 1's get twice pissed off. It not match for me with those damn Nitto's. Check the vin's. The engines look the same with out the covers of the Z06. Check of owner site and what they about that block.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/41bc5860.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/TransAm.jpg

Correct, some LS1's used the LS6 block. Shouldn't be any more powerful in stock form though. It will be a stronger block, and respond ever so slighty better to mods.

Valvetrain is still LS1, not the upgraded LS6.

You did say money under the table, so who knows. Very well could be an LS6.

You had 2 threads going on that were meant to educate us with the "truth". I see you took down the SRT-4 thread. What, you think we don't know which cars are capable of what. This is automotive forums, newbie, where we all make it a point of relying on real life driving for our car experiences and fun. You currently have 15 or so posts, why don't you get aquainted with the place before you start ticking people off. I have nothing against the Mach 1. It's an excellent performer and a looker too. I do however take issue with newbies like you that feel the need to educate us on their new ride.

For the record this is what I ran against a stock M5 Mach1 in Fontana CA on 1/24/04. My only mod at the time was a direct-flo lid. It was cold as shit that night and cars were getting 0 traction even AWD cars were cutting 2.0X 60's. As you can see the mach1's suspension greatly helped it off the line and it got the victory.
________60'___330'_____1/8____1/8mph__1000'____1/4____1/4mph
me : 2.525 6.458 9.526 82.15 12.100 14.285 103.00
mach: 2.255 6.002 9.033 81.42 11.640 13.838 102.77
STI: 2.036 5.771 8.902 78.51 11.584 13.859 98.74

Here's what my car did stock with a 60' similar to the Mach's (7/26/03)
________60'___330'_____1/8____1/8mph__1000'____1/4____1/4mph
me : 2.273 5.954 8.961 82.66 11.554 13.760 102.20

Stock for stock Mach 1 vs. LS1 F-body is a driver's race, but I (and most everyone here) already knew that.

Thank you also for you comments Danno SS.
Now with that said, let make a few things clear.
1. I estimated curb weight so kill me.

post what you know, not what you think you know. It will save you grief in general

2. I don’t see anything wrong with racing a car with all the amenities like the FULLY LOADED 35TH ANNIVERSARY. I would buy nothing less for I have a Mach 1 fully loaded with after market sound system and refuse to take out my spare tire and 10 inch triple stacked magnet dual voice .
point taken, it's a fact however that the fastest F-bodies are stripper Z28s and stripper Trans Ams. As long as you are comparing apples to apples I have no problem.

3. I didn’t suggest that these are the best times ever made STOCK, however they are well recorded. I drive them too. Look at my own pics below.
for reference best stock time (stripperZ28) = "There is no denying that Evan Smith, our resident hot shoe, has an uncanny ability for running the quarter mile, as evidenced by his 12.89 run in a stock 1999 Z28 (GMHTP 7/99)."

4. And Mr. Smith launch and did the damn thang!! As should anybody who get the chance to drive such a great car.
A 2.0 is a good 60' for a RWD car on street tires. In the Cobra vs. SS comparison the Cobra pulled a 1.98 60' to the SSs 2.15. The Cobra's better 60' made the beating look much more lop-sided. With a 2.0 60' and that 106mph trap the SS would have gotten a 13 flat. This also means I suck at driving.

5. The Mach 1 IS NOT ALL MIGHT NOR BIASED.
Finally we agree on something

6. HELL, have you looked at you signature lately. Those are great times, are you a average or expert driver.
poor, I can't even cut a 1.9X on DR's :disappoin

7. I don’t magazine race, and you need to wise up are read better. I said at the beginning that I’m only going to speak on what I know. That mean I do this race Shit for real. Don’t play games. I wish you and I lived across an old highway. I would come see you and raise one and of you would do the same I‘m sure. THE MAGZINES ARE REFENCE POINTS ONLY!

OK so if magazines are reference points why didn't you list the times that MT and other car rags got for the Mach 1?
2003 Mach1 -MT (http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0212_mustang/index.html)
"Our five-speed-equipped Mach 1 shot to 60 mph in 5.3 sec and cleared the quarter mile in 13.8 sec at 102.5 mph. That's all over the 5.2 to 60 and 13.5 at 107.3 posted by the last Camaro SS we tested--" -MT

Nice double standard you got going.

EDIT- My mistake you did list it in your original post. Just goes to show MT and C&D drivers suck.

Also new statement
Speed is proportional to money, how fast do you want to go.
agreed

Mach1, LS1, LS6,LS2.

They all taste the same LOL

JP

I have said this time and time again, SCREW GM AND THE MONEY HUNGRY ASS WIPES WHO RUN THAT COMPANY!!! At least Ford will stand behind their sports cars for under 40k. GM had a beautiful thing going with the F-bodies and they messed that all up. Canned just because the sales were smaller than expected.

Can't go though life with with a 10 million dollar yacht, It has to be a 15 million yacht at least.

Here is how I look at it.... In order to beat the new mustang GT, which is the first GT mustang to break into the 13's stock since the muscle car era, with a GM product, you have to go spend 40k minimum to outrun it with another stock GM product. horrible.

Thanks for your kind response, however i have not come to piss others off and i sorry for that. I just feel that there was time to bring the truth and so far, you should see that. This is not my new car either. 2003 got it new. And been racing real people in real cars since the age of 13. I've seen alot of treads and never said anything because i didn't have the time to properly explain my self nor can i type with both hands. And it seem that i may have fail badly at this anyhow. Don't mean to cause problems.

Thanks for your kind response, however i have not come to piss others off and i sorry for that. I just feel that there was time to bring the truth and so far, you should see that. This is not my new car either. 2003 got it new. And been racing real people in real cars since the age of 13. I've seen alot of treads and never said anything because i didn't have the time to properly explain my self nor can i type with both hands. And it seem that i may have fail badly at this anyhow. Don't mean to cause problems.

No problem, sorry for coming down so hard on you. Threads that seem to favor or promote one car over another without 1st hand proof can easily turn threads ugly.

Here's some hints I found helpful when posting on the street racing forum.

DON'T QUOTE MAGAZINES. They mean very little on this board because any car can be made faster than another and a magazine isn't going to help you on the street.

DO POST ACTUAL KILLS. People won't give you a hard time if you post about an actual race. If your post was "LS1 killed by the Mach" most here would give you the "good kill". Yeah you might get a few BS flags but then you can argue the facts with them.

p.s. welcome to the board

No problem, sorry for coming down so hard on you. Threads that seem to favor or promote one car over another without 1st hand proof can easily turn threads ugly.

Here's some hints I found helpful when posting on the street racing forum.

DON'T QUOTE MAGAZINES. They mean very little on this board because any car can be made faster than another and a magazine isn't going to help you on the street.

DO POST ACTUAL KILLS. People won't give you a hard time if you post about an actual race. If your post was "LS1 killed by the Mach" most here would give you the "good kill". Yeah you might get a few BS flags but then you can argue the facts with them.

p.s. welcome to the board

My kills are no fun cause there to damn close and I said it before, I am not stock. Borla Stinger Catback, Custom Tune, K&N drop in, Goodyear F1's ( there not to stick so i don't break my shit).

However, got a kill for you.

2003 Mach 1 vs 2003 GT with Custom tune, Nitto's, 4.10 gears, hi stall converter, K&N FIPK, Flow Master full exhast without cat's. And i will post it now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/thug1love2003/TransAm.jpg

What's with his tires?


He's got Z06 rims out back with low-profile tires. And what looks like some Weld Wheels wrapped with some beefy (read tall sidewall) BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.


I'm not getting the fatter tire upfront thing, it's like he's going for the FWD drag racer look? :screwy:

Please, inform me.

What's with his tires?


He's got Z06 rims out back with low-profile tires. And what looks like some Weld Wheels wrapped with some beefy (read tall sidewall) BFGoodrich Radial T/A's.


I'm not getting the fatter tire upfront thing, it's like he's going for the FWD drag racer look? :screwy:

Please, inform me.

It's very simple really, those are his driving to point a to b tires for the night, however their are to country boys who like him so much (riding his nutts) they bring his rear Weld wheels with real M/T's in there S10 Extreme. This picture is at the gas station before we go and play for the night.

Well, Little Rock, AR, huh? Not "too" far of a trip for my crew. A few local ls1 guys and I are itching to take a road trip soon, and would love to see the mach 1 in action. Maybe when it warms up, we can meet up and get a few runs in. Better get that NAAAWWWZZZ hooked up first though. :naughty: You wouldn't mind running a few "slow" trucks would you? Ignore the sig...obviously trucks can't run mid 12s on motor. :biggrin:
Really though, we have been thinking of where we were going to go when spring comes. You guys have alot of action in Little Rock?

Well, Little Rock, AR, huh? Not "too" far of a trip for my crew. A few local ls1 guys and I are itching to take a road trip soon, and would love to see the mach 1 in action. Maybe when it warms up, we can meet up and get a few runs in. Better get that NAAAWWWZZZ hooked up first though. :naughty: You wouldn't mind running a few "slow" trucks would you? Ignore the sig...obviously trucks can't run mid 12s on motor. :biggrin:
Really though, we have been thinking of where we were going to go when spring comes. You guys have alot of action in Little Rock?
Yeah, there good clean fun going on here and there. As far a trucks go, there or some good ol' boys with old school big blocks that will do the damn thing on the street or 1/8 mile track we have here. As far as LS-1, bring UM. That LittleRocks #1 car for real. Hell, the State Patol got 2 of them and aint afraid to come see that ass, win and give you a ticket. PS, some of these muthers use the spray (Nitrous on LS-1) out here. Just depends on if there car are runing tip top. If ya come this way. Hit me up and will see what the deal is.

Yeah, there good clean fun going on here and there. As far a trucks go, there or some good ol' boys with old school big blocks that will do the damn thing on the street or 1/8 mile track we have here. As far as LS-1, bring UM. That LittleRocks #1 car for real. Hell, the State Patol got 2 of them and aint afraid to come see that ass, win and give you a ticket. PS, some of these muthers use the spray (Nitrous on LS-1) out here. Just depends on if there car are runing tip top. If ya come this way. Hit me up and will see what the deal is.

Cool. Will do. You up for a motor on motor run with me? What do you guys typically run for, cash or just for kicks? I'll lay mine all out on the table. Mods in sig on street slicks and stock rear end, launching at 900rpms. Mods since the best time are Eaton rear end(finally going to get my 1600-1800rpm launch), ASP underdrive pullies, Shaner throttlebody, weight reductions of about 130lbs. Also about to install the new suspension setup.
What's your best 1/4 or 1/8 to date?

Let's see if this works. This was October, a few mods ago. :naughty:

Right click save as:

http://hauln.net/LS1Tech/videos/slowprocess.wmv