3000GT/Skyline battle?

okay, i'm new to this forum, but i've gotta question. me and some of my buddies were debating a subject and i decided to get an outside opinion. the 3000GT and the nissan skyline which would win if they were pitted against each other.

Well Give some more definitions.

Stock?
Super Modified?
Drag race?
Circuit race?
Demolition dirby?
Drifting?
Towing capacicty?
Interior space?

Come on we need a little more specifics. But propabbly the Skyline.

i'm talkin straight up both cars out of the factory stock. and both cars are in a street race.

and I'm assuming top line of each of the cars?

Skyline.

one more thing i need to know just so my buddy will stop this debate. what nationality are you. (my buddies kinda prejudiced when it comes to cars, no offense)

depends on what skyline. the R32 will loose, the R33 will be a good race, the R34 will win

and i'm black, for whatever reason that matters.

samething youngvr4 said. I seen video clips of a r32 that got beatin pretty bad and the r33 the vr4 won also but very close race. The R34 beat the crap out of the vr4. But remember the vr4 over in asia and europe is called a GTO and if it is the MR GTO thats faster than the vr4. I never seen a race between a vr4 and a skyline, it was always between GTO and Skyline. So i dont think anybody has the right answer here in the USA.

depends on what skyline. the R32 will loose, the R33 will be a good race, the R34 will win


why do you say that???

according to motorex, 0-100mph the r32 GTR is the fastest followed by the R33, and then that is followed by the R34.

(0-100mph = not sure about this, but that should also be about the 1/4 mile trap speed, probably a little higher)
R32 GTR - 12.7
R33 GTR - 12.9
R34 GTR - 13.0

and 0-60 times, according to motorex, the R32 also takes the R33 and R34....
R32 - 4.7 sec
R33 - 5.3 sec
R34 - 5.2 sec

i would say that the GTR will beat the 3000gt VR4 in ever category except subjective categories. maybe not kill it, but beat it....

I'm American... and The skyline will still beat the Vr-4 The only exception being the MR... but I think there's still a version of the R34 that will beat it, Not sure there are lots of different skylines you know.... Even Skyline station wagons... hahahahahah

why do you say that???

according to motorex, 0-100mph the r32 GTR is the fastest followed by the R33, and then that is followed by the R34.

(0-100mph = not sure about this, but that should also be about the 1/4 mile trap speed, probably a little higher)
R32 GTR - 12.7
R33 GTR - 12.9
R34 GTR - 13.0

and 0-60 times, according to motorex, the R32 also takes the R33 and R34....
R32 - 4.7 sec
R33 - 5.3 sec
R34 - 5.2 sec

i would say that the GTR will beat the 3000gt VR4 in ever category except subjective categories. maybe not kill it, but beat it....

Those are not quarter times. The quarter times of the Skyline and the GTO are about dead on. The 0-60 is better in the GTO then the Skyline. Young may have the pecking order off in the Skyline lineup, but the GTR does not beat the VR4 in every category (subjective or not).

I'd win in this. http://news.com.com/Giant+robots+in+the+backyard/2100-1026_3-5499730.html?tag=nefd.lede

I'm Canadian. I think it would depend on what version of the Skyline also, but I'm pretty sure a Skyline would take out a VR4. And who couldn't love the Skyline? But, the VR4 is certainly a much easier car to afford. Even I can afford one. Man I'm poor.

I for one do not like the Skyline. I've always thought it looked little better then a shoebox.

I think the Skyline GT-R will pass the 3000GT stock vs stock .

I know guys raced a lot of skylines and won with their stock or lightly

modified 3000GT's but that doesn't mean the 3000GT is faster ..

It's depend at the driver , If he shifts well or bad !

The 3000GT is stronger and faster if you reduce it's weight ..

The torque of this car is absent because the weight ..

The torque of the engine is 43kgm while the RB26DETT torque is 39kgm !

Yup in-line engines dont always have the best torqe :(, but for some wierd reson the can break into the eights :(

yeah the R32 is the fastest of the "normal" skylines.

If your start including all of the Nur spec, N1's, V-spec, V-specII's it gets too complicated.

Im Australian and i see about 5 Skylines per day and to me they just arent anything special. I get all excited if i ever see a GTO going past however.... only about 15 of them in my State.

To pick up an R32 GTR it costs about 25 grand, to buy a R33 GTR about 30-35 grand, to buy a R34 GTR about 60+ grand.

Yo buy a 1st Gen GTO about 28 grand, to get a 2nd Gen GTO about 35-40 grand to get a 3rd gen GTO about 50 grand.

GTR skylines are a bit cheaper over here and they are getting alot cheaper, where as GTOs hold their value alot better.

well maybe i have it bakwards since the R32 is lighter than the rest. but i was always told that the R34 was underated in power. but everywhere i look i see times like this

General Information
Price: $89,500
Miles Per Gallon: 14/23 mpg
Curb Weight: 3395 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Twin-Turbo Inline-6
Displacement: 2568 cc
Horsepower: 276 bhp @ 6800 rpm
Torque: 289 lb-ft @ 4400 rpm
Redline: 8000 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 5.1 sec
0-100 mph: 13.0 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 105 mph
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i really need to see a stock skyline run the 1320, because i'm sure the skyline is pumped up far more than it should be. and i'm sure whoever runs the best time ever for a skyline that is what they take as there average quarter mile time.

as a matter of fact, i was told the fastest was the R34gtr v spec II by a skyline owner

and from the video's i've seen stock specII's run an average of about 13.1
which would bring me to beleive that the r32 since it is lighter but less power would run like a 13.3

just my logic on it

Stock skylines are EXTREMELY overrated, they're quick, but not godly. your times look about right Young, My brother is a Nissan Fanatic, knows about everything you could want to know and he agreed with me soo :)

And I agree with Yogs they do look like shoeboxes. Personally I think they're pretty ugly cars. Although I did like the blue r32 i saw. but i was 13 then :P 3000GT has the skyline owned in looks.
Actually the Skyline is much like the Sti/Evo... Good quick AWD cars... but not all that attractive :)

Those are not quarter times. The quarter times of the Skyline and the GTO are about dead on. The 0-60 is better in the GTO then the Skyline. Young may have the pecking order off in the Skyline lineup, but the GTR does not beat the VR4 in every category (subjective or not).

i never said in my post that the times were 1/4 mile times....but according to motorex, LOGICALLY speaking the r32 is gonna be the fastest in the 1/4 mile unless, somehow the R34 and R33 make up some serious time in 5 mph....

and as for the skyline being overrated, yes it is. but it is still probably the best performer to come out of japan in the early 90's...i have always read and been told that a skyline will take a supra in the 1/4 mile pretty damn easy...and the supra is pretty evenly matched with a VR4, if the supra has a decent driver and the VR4 has a great driver. the fastest time i have heard of a VR4 pulling is a 13.5ish stock. the fastest i have heard a supra pull stock was 13.0. and if it is true that the skyline takes the supra then there is no match. and before i get flamed...re-read my thread and see that i said what i have only read or heard...and i am using logical thinking in my posts because me along with a lot of you, have never seen a USDM VR4 race any GTR skyline...

and the only doubt that the VR4 could keep up with a skyline in any category is the 1/4 mile...and im doubting that a VR4 can keep up in that category. on the track the VR4 is toast...

not saying that the VR4 is a crappy car, im just seeing...if you compare the fastest numbers that either car pulled stock, there is no camparison. unless someone can show me a stock VR4 that pulls very low 13's or even high 12's....you ahve to remember that skyline is very underrated in power than the number you see. the japanaese companies made an agreement to not claim any higher PS numbers than 280ps in the early 90's. i have heard of skyline owners dynoing there cars at the wheels, stock, at 275ps-285ps. that means that the engines is producing well over 320ps at the flywheel. and FYI, PS is almost the same as HP. i forgot the conversion but it is like 4hp off.

someone find that race of the MR gto eating the skyline for breakfast. it shows the 1/4 mile time of the skyline racing our car with the 13b turbo's i beleive

Hmmmm you mean this one?
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=319892

ok in that video i saw the GTO-MR, which is believed to run 12.6-12.8 according to your very own FAQ sticky. that GTO-MR barely edged out a GTR skyline, which would leave the GTR skyline running a little slower than 12.65-12.9. so this video you posted would further support MY belief that the VR4 will not keep up with a skyline GTR in any form (R32-R34). now you guys, to argue the point will have to find a video showing a stock VR4 running a mid 12....good luck!!!

Dude-o Never said Vr-4 though ;) he said Skyline and 3000gt and so I assumed the top line of each.
Technically the GTO-MR is the top line of the 3000gt so it should count. However i thought te nurspec or whatever was still quicker. but I could be mistaken.

3000gt would win the demolition derby

k3smostwanted

The fastest 3s time is 13.1s at qurater mile .. The car is stealth RT/TT 96 !

The best time on my bro's unique 97 3000GT Twin turbo in cold weather is 12.7 at 118MPH .. It's lightly modifed by an Intake and Super street Tires only . It has been measured by the G-TECH device .

There is no VR4 Badge on it .
The guages in the middle are designed same 91 style .
The Speed is 5.man and it has no aero active or adjustable Exhaust .

The G-Tech device isn't completely accurate...it exaggerates your trap speeds and its measurements are based on the entering of your weight...meaning the more accurate the weight entered, the more accurate the time...I would think with only an intake and tires that it would be a bit higher on a real track. Seeing as most need a downpipe, intake and boost controller to hit 12.8

And as far as the fastest 3s time being 13.1...I think you meant the fastest STOCK 3s

Also every 97+ has no active aero or adjustible exhaust...

I've always thought it looked little better then a shoebox
My thoughts exactally, it looks too much like a sedan to me and dosent have the exotic supercar finess.

samething youngvr4 said. I seen video clips of a r32 that got beatin pretty bad and the r33 the vr4 won also but very close race. The R34 beat the crap out of the vr4. But remember the vr4 over in asia and europe is called a GTO and if it is the MR GTO thats faster than the vr4. I never seen a race between a vr4 and a skyline, it was always between GTO and Skyline. So i dont think anybody has the right answer here in the USA.
They are only known as GTO's in Japan. The GTO's in Europe and Australia were directly imported from Japan. The cars sold in Europe were 3000gt's as well.

If it's a Brand new JDM 3000GT vr-4 mr, and a brand new r34 skyline gt-r v-spec , 3000GT has a good chance and even might win.

ok in that video i saw the GTO-MR, which is believed to run 12.6-12.8 according to your very own FAQ sticky. that GTO-MR barely edged out a GTR skyline, which would leave the GTR skyline running a little slower than 12.65-12.9. so this video you posted would further support MY belief that the VR4 will not keep up with a skyline GTR in any form (R32-R34). now you guys, to argue the point will have to find a video showing a stock VR4 running a mid 12....good luck!!!

hehe your funny, i'm not saying the skyline wont beat the 3000gtvr4

i was saying that not all the gtr's are faster than the vr4.

i beleive the R33 isnt as fast or maybe as fast.

as for your beleif, yeah it would support it. but not in my beleif
and my beleif is all that matters
:p


j/p

omg i can't stop watching that best motoring video! ... hot music, hot cars ... only thing missing are chics :) Question, what does the mr sacrifice in order to weigh less? Ac? Sunroof? Electric Suspension? anything else?

i watched it again and i stand corrected, the skylines are faster than i thought.
still to see how fast the R32 is

I'm not positive on this.
But i beleive the MR lacks most luxury items and It also lacks AWS?
Again I'm not positive, just bits of info I've picked up. It sounds more like a base GTO w/ the vr4 engine.

So ... in theory ... can a vr4 be downgraded to reach the same mr specs?

With upgraded turbos, the MR has the 13b turbos rather than the 9b's

Igovert500

I know that that the G-TECH is not accurately 100% .. But i know a guy has 3000GT VR4 91 modded by a HKS Filter ran 1/4 in 13.8s and Another Guy has a 3000GT VR4 91 lightly modified ran 13.5 .
Also those times measured by the G-Tech ..

We raced the GT who ran 13.5s .. I think it can run less then that time
Two races the 91 3000GT in front and one race my brother in front .. The diffrence between them not two meters ..

This 91 3000GT is modded and it has :-
1- Single Exhaust System
2- Racing Plugs and wires
3- Injectors 550 I think (( not sure about if it's 550cc , maybe more))
4- Boost Controller
5- Intake
6- Fuel Pump
7- Appexi Blow off vavle

Maybe He raised the boost when we raced him http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon10.gif

I think this time has been recorded because the G-TECH is not working well or The Launch was very accurate or the weather was the reason ..

My bro's GT in the property paper , it says the model of it is 96 and the old owner of it said it's 97 ..

GritMaster

I've took these infos by the company Site ..

It's Z15A and The VR4 is Z16A .

The weight of the car is 1670kg while the VR4 weighs 1695kg but in Japan it weighs 1680kg .

FULL-TIME 4WD
V6 3000 DOHC 24-VALVE TWIN TURBO
TWIN INTERCOOLER
6-SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Principle functions & Equipment
پœSports tuned suspension
پœLimited slip differential (viscous coupling unit) for RR
پœ245/40ZR18 tires
پœ18پ~8.0JJ aluminum alloy disc wheels (chrome plated)
پœRear air spoiler (big wing type)
پœFog lamp (projector type) پœLeather-bound steering wheel
پœSRS airbag system (driver and passenger side)

This is the site
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/docs8/productss/gto99/index.html

hehe your funny, i'm not saying the skyline wont beat the 3000gtvr4

i was saying that not all the gtr's are faster than the vr4.

i beleive the R33 isnt as fast or maybe as fast.

as for your beleif, yeah it would support it. but not in my beleif
and my beleif is all that matters
:p


j/p

:lol: yeah, skylines are overrated but that does not mean they are slow. a 3000gtVR4 does not have a chance against a GTR in any form, i dont feel like watching that video again but i think that was an R33. i have been told that the R32 is quicker in the 1/4 mile than the R33. so yeah...my belief is that a stock VR4 doesnt have a chance against any GTR. :D

Dude-o Never said Vr-4 though ;) he said Skyline and 3000gt and so I assumed the top line of each.
Technically the GTO-MR is the top line of the 3000gt so it should count. However i thought te nurspec or whatever was still quicker. but I could be mistaken.

your thinking process is correct, but a 3000gt is not GTO. :D

If it's a Brand new JDM 3000GT vr-4 mr, and a brand new r34 skyline gt-r v-spec , 3000GT has a good chance and even might win.

whats a JDM 3000gt VR-4 MR??? if you are referring to a brand new GTO MR with 0 miles on it compared to a brand new r34 GT-R with 0 miles on it, it would be a damn good race...actually it would probably be a driver's race...

stock for stock, the skyline has it in the 1/4 mile.

And there is A LOT more aftermarket support for GTR's.

R33's are the slowest GTR. that being said, they are still bloody fast.

R32's are lighter but R34's are a bit more powerful.

Both GTRs and GTO's of all descriptions are only rated at 280ps. the MR is probably more powerful than that as well but i dont know of anyone that has dynoed a stock one.

AS for GTRs, they were designed with a bigger slant towards performance than the GTO. GTOs have much more luxury features than a GTR. but those luxury feature come at the sacrifice of performance.

Both cars are very quick cars, the GTR being slightly more so but the GTO has much more features that make it a much nice ride. GTR's are a little hardh to be in in my opinion. too race orientated.

but then again, its just my opinion :P

oooooooh So you're getting picky now mostwanted eh? Well the difference between the GTO TT and the VR4 is.... uhhh... the name.

and thats it!

take that to the bank :p

oooooooh So you're getting picky now mostwanted eh? Well the difference between the GTO TT and the VR4 is.... uhhh... the name.

well really if you want to get technical, the GTO is Right Hand Drive also, which would be another difference. :D

but in that video, we watched a GTO MR!!! :lol: which is a totally different car than the GTO-TT/3000GT-VR4, the way i understand it is that the MR is lighter, due to a lack of the luxury features that are in the standard VR4/TT. it also generates quite a bit more power, not to mention other things that probably make it a little faster and a lot more race prepped. :D

come on guys, just give up. i won!!! :lol:

ok paul walker :)

fine you won


i hate you :p :biggrin:

ok paul walker :)

are you referring to me as that flamer from that flamer movie?!?! :nono: i dont think so...:D

fine you won


i hate you :p :biggrin:

thats ok, dont take it so hard. you still have a fast car, just not as fast as a GTR. they dont call it "godzilla" for nothing....:thumbsup:

the GTR is still ugly.
And technically... the 3000GT is just the nameplate put on the american version. The Car is a GTO through and through. Rebadged only to avoid confusion with the american GTO.
And since the Skyline isn't actually an american vehicle wouldn't it only be logical to compare it with the GTO? I mean I could just as easily put 13b's and lighten up a vr4 then it could still be considered "Stock" as those are MR specs sooo.... Come on Do we really have to do this?

The point is the MR is quick... And Could quite possibly beat a skyline. remember the original guy only asked between a skyline and a 3000gt so we gould take the skyline of 40 years prior and compare it. You'd have problems with that though wouldn't you?

the GTR is still ugly.
And technically... the 3000GT is just the nameplate put on the american version. The Car is a GTO through and through. Rebadged only to avoid confusion with the american GTO.
And since the Skyline isn't actually an american vehicle wouldn't it only be logical to compare it with the GTO? I mean I could just as easily put 13b's and lighten up a vr4 then it could still be considered "Stock" as those are MR specs sooo.... Come on Do we really have to do this?

The point is the MR is quick... And Could quite possibly beat a skyline. remember the original guy only asked between a skyline and a 3000gt so we gould take the skyline of 40 years prior and compare it. You'd have problems with that though wouldn't you?

dude the MR is quick and is a top competitor with the GTR in the 1/4 mile. this is true!!! but he asked between a 3000gt and a skyline so we assumed VR4 vs. GTR...

yes, technically a VR4 is a GTO, but thats not what we were discussing. we are discussing the best 3000gt, which is the VR4 vs. the skyline. the best GTO is the MR but the guy (i dont think) wanted to compare the GTO MR and a GTR.

and yes i would have a problem with you comparing a 1997 GTO MR to a 1972 nissan skyline...

dont get offensive here, i was just saying that a VR4 does not compete with a GTR. i never said that the MR doesnt...

bottom line:

GTR vs VR4 ---- GTR takes the cake

GTR vs GTO MR ----- damn good race, driver's race....

GTR vs SL -----> GTR

SL vs. GTS ----> GTS...unless its the R32 which the SL MIGHT take...

VR4 vs. GTS -----> VR4

GTO TT vs VR4---->drivers race

stealth TT vs. VR4 ---->driver's race

etc. etc. etc....did i miss any??? that should just about cover all skylines and 3000gt's in the 90's....

and i do agree with you on one thing, the GTR is not the best looking car but that is totally opinionated and does not matter. plus, i dont think nissan designed the car to be pretty, especially when they already had their grand touring car debuted. :D

you sound very defensive in your posts, im not trying to bust anyone out here. i was just stating with facts and logic to back it up, that the VR4 does not compete with the GTR....not saying its a bad car. just saying its not quite on the GTR level. hence why mitsubishi came out with an GTO MR... :D

you saying that the GTO MR is not the 3000gt is like saying the evo-8 mr is not a evo. its the same car just the upgraded faster version like the Z06 to the vette

GTO and 3000gt=same thing

is a Z06 not a vette? it really is the same thing.

above you put gto vs 3kgt drivers race thats like saying 3000gt vs 3000gt. it could not have the gto badge here because the name was already takin. the car is the same

there's a guy on here with a GTO in australia i beleive

its literally the same car diff name.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/128830GTO.jpg

this is his car same thing, ask him if you dont beleive me and grit and everyone else in here.

go to a couple diff 3kgt websites they'll tell ya too
same turbo's, same engine, same antenna its the same car!

except in a diff country

and thats it!

take that to the bank :p


+2 hehehe :D

you saying that the GTO MR is not the 3000gt is like saying the evo-8 mr is not a evo. its the same car just the upgraded faster version like the Z06 to the vette

GTO and 3000gt=same thing

is a Z06 not a vette? it really is the same thing.

above you put gto vs 3kgt drivers race thats like saying 3000gt vs 3000gt. it could not have the gto badge here because the name was already takin. the car is the same

there's a guy on here with a GTO in australia i beleive

its literally the same car diff name.

yes i know, i must have not have been clear, with my sarcasm, enough with my huge smiley face. :eek7: :D

and as for me just listing GTO-TT vs. VR4, that was once again just me being sarcastic...come on guys, its over. i know a GTO is technically a 3000gt, but then again someone may view it as not the same car...but me personally i could care less. i just wanted to argue the point that a VR4 and a GTR will not be a very quality race...

so to sum it all up...
GTR vs. VR4 ----> no questions

GTR vs. MR----> alot of questions, damn good race!!!

where is the love?!?!!? merry christmas y'all!!!!! :D

LOL, merry christmas!!!!

well really if you want to get technical, the GTO is Right Hand Drive also, which would be another difference. :D

but in that video, we watched a GTO MR!!! :lol: which is a totally different car than the GTO-TT/3000GT-VR4, the way i understand it is that the MR is lighter, due to a lack of the luxury features that are in the standard VR4/TT. it also generates quite a bit more power, not to mention other things that probably make it a little faster and a lot more race prepped. :D

come on guys, just give up. i won!!! :lol:
The MR does not make any more power than a stock GTO. Its all about weight there.

so which model of the GTO has been lightened and comes with 13b turbos? This started out as skyline vs. 3000gt but there are a lot of things to consider which you guys have already covered most of. We here in America don't see a lot of skylines at all as they were never really sold in america.
I think we're best off just leaving this as a drivers race and letting it stay as that.

None. The 13G turbos were only available on Euro spec 3000gt's.

And only some of those right?

Oh well even more fuel that the MR is practically a VR4... hehehe

Boohyah! (As mushi would say)

Merry Christmas Ya'll I'm gonna go have a scone Courtesy of my lil' Sister :D

You got it. We had some of the UKGTO members on 3si and they all said that they dont know why but not all Euro spec 3000's come with 13g's, but they were the only ones available with them.

Merry christmas to all :D

A stock GT-R R32 ran 13s flat in Cold weather
http://www.arab3.com/images13/13205671.jpg

Stock GT-R R33 and stock GTO with Japanese Spec , It's not MR and it weighs 1680kg
http://www.arab3.com/images13/39633500.jpg
http://www.arab3.com/images13/74294684.jpg


a stock GT-R 34 V SPEC 2 ran 12.9 and I've took this info from the race
between GT-R V SPEC 2 vs NSX type R ..

Last i checked the GTO MR was only about 120 lbs lighter than the GTO Twin Turbo.

http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/mitsubishi/gto/1994_8/