Shift Kit help
Pimpdady753
12-21-2004, 03:44 AM
ok i want to know if this is a good shift kit, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33727&item=7942425397&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
or is this one better, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33727&item=7942429222&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
and what does aod stand for. thanks alot.
or is this one better, http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33727&item=7942429222&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
and what does aod stand for. thanks alot.
Pimpdady753
12-21-2004, 03:45 AM
and this is for a stick shift right.
rezmore3333
12-21-2004, 03:55 AM
me i would go with the transgo it has your power yet you can just cruise and not rip your neck off lol also both of these are over drive aproved thats good but check out a summit catolog i bought a shift kit for a camaro i had(i know sacroligious) and it kicked ass they give you a choice of 3 stages towing street and strip i hope that helps
GTStang
12-21-2004, 10:49 AM
Put the tools down and step away from the car!!!!
Sorry man but I think you need to do some reading and studying before you buy or even worse attempt to install something on your car. Shift kits are for automatic transmissions, AOD=automatic Over Drive. A plus is you picked the two best shift kits made for AOD's. :smokin:
Sorry man but I think you need to do some reading and studying before you buy or even worse attempt to install something on your car. Shift kits are for automatic transmissions, AOD=automatic Over Drive. A plus is you picked the two best shift kits made for AOD's. :smokin:
Pimpdady753
12-21-2004, 01:54 PM
lol, so should i just get a shorter then, that is what i thougt, i thought it was for automatic but i was not sure. lol
GTStang
12-21-2004, 02:20 PM
lol, so should i just get a shorter then, that is what i thougt, i thought it was for automatic but i was not sure. lol
If by shorter you mean short throw shifter than yes. But make sure you know what manual tranny you have in your car.
If by shorter you mean short throw shifter than yes. But make sure you know what manual tranny you have in your car.
Pimpdady753
12-21-2004, 07:17 PM
why does it matter. how are you soppose to tell.
rezmore3333
12-22-2004, 03:15 AM
so this car is not automatic cause shift kits are just for automatics
im not for sure but i think it resticts trans fluied flow tell the right time thats what the kick is from kinda like kinking a water hose and letting go is that right gtstang short throw is for manuel trans and it makes for faster shifting what do you want to acomplish with this
im not for sure but i think it resticts trans fluied flow tell the right time thats what the kick is from kinda like kinking a water hose and letting go is that right gtstang short throw is for manuel trans and it makes for faster shifting what do you want to acomplish with this
GTStang
12-22-2004, 07:31 AM
so this car is not automatic cause shift kits are just for automatics
im not for sure but i think it resticts trans fluied flow tell the right time thats what the kick is from kinda like kinking a water hose and letting go is that right gtstang short throw is for manuel trans and it makes for faster shifting what do you want to acomplish with this
Actually it's the opposite, a shift kit increase the flow of tranny fluid either through bigger holes, diverting it where it's need more, or different strength springs. This increases line pressure with leads to faster, firmer shifts
im not for sure but i think it resticts trans fluied flow tell the right time thats what the kick is from kinda like kinking a water hose and letting go is that right gtstang short throw is for manuel trans and it makes for faster shifting what do you want to acomplish with this
Actually it's the opposite, a shift kit increase the flow of tranny fluid either through bigger holes, diverting it where it's need more, or different strength springs. This increases line pressure with leads to faster, firmer shifts
Future303
12-22-2004, 10:43 AM
^^^ Couldn't you achieve the same thing by programming a chip with the proper shift points, therefore negating the need for a shift kit?
(Not that it matters much to me, as I wouldn't be caught dead driving a Ford Auto Tranny LOL :grinyes: )
(Not that it matters much to me, as I wouldn't be caught dead driving a Ford Auto Tranny LOL :grinyes: )
GTStang
12-22-2004, 11:19 AM
^^^ Couldn't you achieve the same thing by programming a chip with the proper shift points, therefore negating the need for a shift kit?
(Not that it matters much to me, as I wouldn't be caught dead driving a Ford Auto Tranny LOL :grinyes: )
How exactly do you propose the chip controls the tranny's valve body?
(Not that it matters much to me, as I wouldn't be caught dead driving a Ford Auto Tranny LOL :grinyes: )
How exactly do you propose the chip controls the tranny's valve body?
Pimpdady753
12-22-2004, 12:15 PM
so how am i soppose to tell what kind of tran i have.
ModMech
12-25-2004, 02:59 PM
How exactly do you propose the chip controls the tranny's valve body?
It depends on how new it is.
The PCM controlls ALL the shifting and T/C lockup functions on the later model ATs (since the early '90s) for the AODE, 4R70W, 4R75W, 5R55, E4OD, 4R100, 5R100 etc.
We are talking line pressure, T/C lock-up timing and pressures, and the solenoid activation timing (shift timing). ALL these functions are also "adaptive", they adjust for driving style and wear (within limits).
There is absolutely NO NEED to purchase any form of "shit kit", the makers of these things do things to your AT that WILL kill it, and if not sooner then later. They have NO CLUE how to properly control a Ford AT, but they do a good job of messing them up. I have seen more than enough trans-go equipped ATs fail at WOT on the dyno because of what they do to the control circuits to EVER suggest they are ok to use. It really does not matter what "brand" of "shift kit", they are all IMO JUNK!
If you want the REAL SCOOP on your AT, and modifying it, go to www.tccoa.com and look at their tech sections under "transmission". The articles there were written by a former Ford powertrain engineer (worked on the AODE/4R70W), and HE KNOWS exactly where the weak points are, and how to correct them. Transgo etal, DO NOT.
It depends on how new it is.
The PCM controlls ALL the shifting and T/C lockup functions on the later model ATs (since the early '90s) for the AODE, 4R70W, 4R75W, 5R55, E4OD, 4R100, 5R100 etc.
We are talking line pressure, T/C lock-up timing and pressures, and the solenoid activation timing (shift timing). ALL these functions are also "adaptive", they adjust for driving style and wear (within limits).
There is absolutely NO NEED to purchase any form of "shit kit", the makers of these things do things to your AT that WILL kill it, and if not sooner then later. They have NO CLUE how to properly control a Ford AT, but they do a good job of messing them up. I have seen more than enough trans-go equipped ATs fail at WOT on the dyno because of what they do to the control circuits to EVER suggest they are ok to use. It really does not matter what "brand" of "shift kit", they are all IMO JUNK!
If you want the REAL SCOOP on your AT, and modifying it, go to www.tccoa.com and look at their tech sections under "transmission". The articles there were written by a former Ford powertrain engineer (worked on the AODE/4R70W), and HE KNOWS exactly where the weak points are, and how to correct them. Transgo etal, DO NOT.
Future303
12-25-2004, 03:34 PM
^^^ Nice!!
I was pretty much going to say the same thing, but you've said it with 5 times more detail than I could add :)
I was pretty much going to say the same thing, but you've said it with 5 times more detail than I could add :)
StangNut86
12-25-2004, 08:50 PM
so how am i soppose to tell what kind of tran i have.
go to trade school and learn the fundamentals of automobiles. you shouldn't be anywhere near your transmission unless you can identify it without assistance.
go to trade school and learn the fundamentals of automobiles. you shouldn't be anywhere near your transmission unless you can identify it without assistance.
Pimpdady753
12-26-2004, 02:14 PM
im planing on going to school for this next year.
thunderbird muscle
12-26-2004, 04:23 PM
Modmech you said go to tccoa.com to show the best way to do it. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IS? It is still a shif kit even if it isn't put out by a company. You can't adjust one thing without compensating with the other. What good is adjusting the computer when the tranny doesn't have the capabilities to follow its command?
ModMech
12-27-2004, 11:13 AM
WTF are you talking about?
When you understand how an AODE/4R70W/4R75W works, and how the EEC controls it, THEN come back here and try to start an intelligent discussion about how it will or won't work.
You fail to understand I did not write those articles at tccoa.com, the ENGINEER who built the A/Ts DID, and HE knows EXACTLY how the AT is controlled by the PCM, and EXACTLY what you can and cannot do. I understand a lot about it, and still do not have a "mastery" of it, and I never claimed to.
I can tell you that what "J" suggests you do to your trans will NEVER hurt anything, and that a factory PCM is WELL capeable of dealing with the changes. Thousands of people have done this, and they are ALL happy with the results.
I know LOTS of people who have purchased "shift kits" (more appropriately termed trans destruction kits), who have lots their A/Ts shortly after the install, due to the INCORRECT changes being made to the VB, seperator plate, check balls, and line pressure.
When you understand how an AODE/4R70W/4R75W works, and how the EEC controls it, THEN come back here and try to start an intelligent discussion about how it will or won't work.
You fail to understand I did not write those articles at tccoa.com, the ENGINEER who built the A/Ts DID, and HE knows EXACTLY how the AT is controlled by the PCM, and EXACTLY what you can and cannot do. I understand a lot about it, and still do not have a "mastery" of it, and I never claimed to.
I can tell you that what "J" suggests you do to your trans will NEVER hurt anything, and that a factory PCM is WELL capeable of dealing with the changes. Thousands of people have done this, and they are ALL happy with the results.
I know LOTS of people who have purchased "shift kits" (more appropriately termed trans destruction kits), who have lots their A/Ts shortly after the install, due to the INCORRECT changes being made to the VB, seperator plate, check balls, and line pressure.
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