drift advice for a 91 mr2
cam_boi_4
12-21-2004, 02:14 AM
hi im looking for advice on how to make a good drift setup for my 91 mr2, if anyone could give me any advice on tires, rims, lsd, suspention, ect, i would really apreciate it. thanks
Tim-Aerodynamics
12-21-2004, 07:57 AM
Hey,
When you look at the physics of the MR2 unfortunetly the car is not designed for drifting, due to its short wheel base and 42% of the weight at the front and 58 on the back. This is due to the mid mounted engine. Ideal for drift is a 180sx sue to its weight balance with the front engine and mid sized length. Longer cars like skylines are better for beginners as they slowy snap into a drift and slowly snap out. The MR2 is a great car for the race track as its weight balance gives it superior handling.
When you look at the physics of the MR2 unfortunetly the car is not designed for drifting, due to its short wheel base and 42% of the weight at the front and 58 on the back. This is due to the mid mounted engine. Ideal for drift is a 180sx sue to its weight balance with the front engine and mid sized length. Longer cars like skylines are better for beginners as they slowy snap into a drift and slowly snap out. The MR2 is a great car for the race track as its weight balance gives it superior handling.
JekylandHyde
12-21-2004, 09:02 AM
BlitzKeg
12-21-2004, 11:40 AM
DAMN mr2s are sexy when they drift.... :boink:
gen2gst95
12-21-2004, 08:10 PM
wouldn't the weight being in the back, be good for drifting? i.e swinging out
Im JDM Yo
12-21-2004, 11:53 PM
Yeah they just snap back to quick if youre not careful.
Sandhawk
12-22-2004, 03:39 AM
Yeah they just snap back to quick if youre not careful.
I learned that one through trial and error :banghead:
I learned that one through trial and error :banghead:
JekylandHyde
12-22-2004, 06:10 AM
gen2gst95, swinging the rear is great for oversteer (basically sliding the rearend around) .... but that is not drifting.
They are two different concepts.
If a drift is done correctly, you are breaking traction at both ends of the car, hence the name "4-wheel drift."
They are two different concepts.
If a drift is done correctly, you are breaking traction at both ends of the car, hence the name "4-wheel drift."
cam_boi_4
12-23-2004, 01:20 AM
but what should i do with my stock 91 if i do want it to start?
Sandhawk
12-23-2004, 02:31 AM
Make sure engine is in prime condition
then go to driving school
Suspension mods
And then work on basics like exhaust, headers, intake
then go to driving school
Suspension mods
And then work on basics like exhaust, headers, intake
Drakeskakes
12-23-2004, 05:23 PM
Jeff, the accually desciption if i remember correctly is
Drift is the 2 rear wheels loosing traction and pushing you through at higher speeds while the front wheels remain in traction with them as guide wheels.
POWER slide is when you lose traction in all 4 wheels for slow turns , all 4 wheels slow you down while slideing. Sin does a great job of power slide and the "Drift Bible" explain how the mr2 can benifite from the powerslide. Less distorted weight being thrown around.
Drift is the 2 rear wheels loosing traction and pushing you through at higher speeds while the front wheels remain in traction with them as guide wheels.
POWER slide is when you lose traction in all 4 wheels for slow turns , all 4 wheels slow you down while slideing. Sin does a great job of power slide and the "Drift Bible" explain how the mr2 can benifite from the powerslide. Less distorted weight being thrown around.
JekylandHyde
12-23-2004, 07:03 PM
Drifting (in a RWD) is breakingtraction on the front tires:
"So anyway, the idea is that you can enter a turn at a medium speed and then step on the gas a bit and start to oversteer. That sets you up for the opening of a drift. Then what you do is you overdo it on the countersteer. What that does is sets the front tires, which actually do the turning, at a rotation that puts them well beyond the innate slip angle of the tires, which means that they have virtually no grip. The rear tires, on the other hand, are just almost right at the slip angle, so they still have decent grip. Obviously, this is a very fine line of control and feel. And this is something that varies from car to car and mechanical arrangements. The natural slip angle of most any tire is very slight -- something like 7 degrees, and the wider the tire, the wider this angle. Up until that point, any tire is pretty much at maximum grip. So the overall idea is to maintain some grip on the rear tires and lose front tire grip and that allows you to chain a series of drifts. The grip on the rear tires pushes your car inward along the curve and also keeps you oversteering as long as you keep accelerating. The countersteering is there to keep you from from spinning out of control... again, something you need."
http://www.epinions.com/content_4158759044
If you have ever watched the earliest Initial D movies, they explain that the "advanced drifter knows and understands that a true drift happens in when the front wheels lose traction.
Sliding the rear-end around is not drifting.
Drifting is never the fastest way through a turn. If you are breaking traction, you are not going as fast you could be.
General rule of thumb in racing: If your tires are making noise, you are losing time.
"So anyway, the idea is that you can enter a turn at a medium speed and then step on the gas a bit and start to oversteer. That sets you up for the opening of a drift. Then what you do is you overdo it on the countersteer. What that does is sets the front tires, which actually do the turning, at a rotation that puts them well beyond the innate slip angle of the tires, which means that they have virtually no grip. The rear tires, on the other hand, are just almost right at the slip angle, so they still have decent grip. Obviously, this is a very fine line of control and feel. And this is something that varies from car to car and mechanical arrangements. The natural slip angle of most any tire is very slight -- something like 7 degrees, and the wider the tire, the wider this angle. Up until that point, any tire is pretty much at maximum grip. So the overall idea is to maintain some grip on the rear tires and lose front tire grip and that allows you to chain a series of drifts. The grip on the rear tires pushes your car inward along the curve and also keeps you oversteering as long as you keep accelerating. The countersteering is there to keep you from from spinning out of control... again, something you need."
http://www.epinions.com/content_4158759044
If you have ever watched the earliest Initial D movies, they explain that the "advanced drifter knows and understands that a true drift happens in when the front wheels lose traction.
Sliding the rear-end around is not drifting.
Drifting is never the fastest way through a turn. If you are breaking traction, you are not going as fast you could be.
General rule of thumb in racing: If your tires are making noise, you are losing time.
cam_boi_4
12-25-2004, 12:00 AM
what would happen if i were to pratice with a regular stock mr2? with a non turbo engine
Sandhawk
12-25-2004, 12:13 AM
what would happen if i were to pratice with a regular stock mr2? with a non turbo engine
You would probably have a lot of trouble getting the back end to slide out aswell as a burnt clutch if you have never tried drifting before.
Id recommend starting off in a parking lot so that you dont have to worry about any curbs.
You would probably have a lot of trouble getting the back end to slide out aswell as a burnt clutch if you have never tried drifting before.
Id recommend starting off in a parking lot so that you dont have to worry about any curbs.
cam_boi_4
01-19-2005, 12:02 PM
anybody know what would be a good clutch system to put into a mr2 ?
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