new engine swap

does anyone know where i can find a new 4g63 crate engine? i need and want a new engine i found some on ebay with 40,000 miles

What happened to your other motor?

Your goin to have a hard time finding one that will be a direct bolt on that has 40,000 miles. Your best bet would to be rebuild your motor!

bought it then found out the kid before ragged the living shit out of it then started running light shit over heated really bad and some thing blew in the motor dont know what it is yet. im just looking for a engine in perfect condition if i rebuild it well it be just like brand new?

Yes if you rebuild it everything that wears will be replaced with new parts. New bearings, new piston rings, all new gaskets and seals. This is the best way to go about doing it so you know there is no miles on the motor when its rebuilt. But if you think there is something wrong inside you might want to look into that. If I were you and in the same position I'd take advantage of this and build the motor, new rods and pistons, so if you plan to make a lot of power you dont have to worry about building the motor up later. Get it over with now and you will probably never have to pull the motor again.

thanks for the advice how much do you think it would cost for it all

full rebuild should be around 5-600 if you do it yourself and have access to everything you need... If not, between 1500-1600 depends on the shop and if you know people.

i just bought a JDM 4g63T with 30 000kms from a company in calgary called JDM source for only 1600CDN (like 1300ish US)

check it out... jdmsource.ca

If that is the cyclone motor, you have to do more work than just swap the motors to get it to work... Plus you have no gaurantee that it has that many miles.

I would never buy a cyclone motor. Way overpriced.

I am pretty sure that it isnt. Apparantly it is the same thing that came out of my car except with a different intake system and a bigger turbo...and of course its a red top. The guy who is putting it in has done these swaps before and he said it just drops right in

Yeah that is the cyclone. Be prepared for problems. Also how much is he charging you to put that motor in?

Yes the motor just drops right in but you need to mess with the wiring harness and I have heard you need the computer that is for the motor too!

http://machv.com/comenrebkit.html

Have you used this kit or know anyone who has? I got a winter project <2 melted pistons, 1 and 4> and saw the kit a while ago but was wondering if it was any good. I would Probably do a set of forged pistons and bore the block, I guess I am more concerned about the bearing and gasket quality. Any input would be appreciated. Thanx




p.s. I guess there is such thing as to much boost lol oh well stock sucks any way

Theres never such thing as too much boost... Theres such thing as an untuned motor with not enough fuel = detonation = melted pistons!


That looks like a good kit. Hopefully nothing happened to your block/crank/rods!

i plan to do that rebuikd in the spring...i know some fellow DSMers around me that have a nice garage , and we can probally knock that out in a weekend....with about 2-3 guys and alot of DSM know how...

I did it in less than 24hrs :flipa:

Beat that bitch! :p


:lol2:

lol were gonna replace the clutch to .... but were gonna take out time... its more like a wrench party...

Its really not that hard as long as you have all the tools and have a VERY clean area to do it in. I started at 1am, pulled my motor at my buddies place, went over to my shop and built the new motor, put it all together. Then took the motor over to my buddies house and put it in the car... Had it running by 10pm the same day!

^^^ nice
the guy thats helping me has a nice GSX i thinks its a 91...but it has a full roll cage , fuel cell , open downpipe, ect.. strictly track....all tho he is moding it right now to make it street legal.... Jt 2005 Jt is his name on this fourm...

i might just fly you out to help me with my swap. what city would you fly out from?

wich jake are you takin about?

how do you know that it is the cyclone? they never mentioned that or anything...tell me more about it. how can it be any different? they said it is the same thing, which it looks like to me it is. I thought you said that the cyclone takes work put in? if it is, what kind of problems can i "be prepared for"? he is charging me 500CDN to put it in, he is a friend of mine.

how do you know that it is the cyclone? they never mentioned that or anything...tell me more about it. how can it be any different? they said it is the same thing, which it looks like to me it is. I thought you said that the cyclone takes work put in? if it is, what kind of problems can i "be prepared for"? he is charging me 500CDN to put it in, he is a friend of mine.
I think it says cyclone right on it. i think ive seen one like that. not sure though.

You need the ecu to install the cyclone intake manifold, No ecu = no start up

I was told that there is no need to use the new ecu. This seems to indicate to me that it is not the cyclone engine. as well, I looked for some pictures and the ones I found said "Cyclone" on it, whereas I am pretty sure that the one I am getting does not. I just talked to the guy who is putting it in and he said he is about 5 mins away from picking up the engine. I am reasonably sure that it is not the cyclone one. If it so happens that it is, what kind of unique problems will arise? I was told that it is basically the exact same thing except a red top with a different intake. According to Jake it sounds like it takes more work to get the cyclone one in, and apparantly this one just swaps directly in.

EDIT: I think he did mention that he had to use the stock intake off of my car anyway, is that the only difference between the stock engine and the cyclone? From the pictures I saw it looks like only the intake is different.

Please let me know. Thanks.

Okay, I did some more reading. It sounds like that it is only the cyclone intake manifold that is different and that if it is ran it can possibly even be better than the EGI one. Although, there are many people who do not run it anyway. Does this sound correct to people out there? I got most of my info off of dsmtuners.com Some people also said that is is actually pretty fast once you get over 3000rmp until the turbo starts to spool. With the engine I bought (dont know if it is cyclone yet, will in about 30 mins) I get the engine, tranny, wiring harness and ecu.

I am totally uneducated about the cyclone and would appreciate the help, sorry for the double post.


Thanks!

ALRIGHT...

He has the engine, it is a red top and it does not say cyclone on it anywhere. Sounds like it MAY have been out of a gallant or something, I think that is the same engine. Sounds like it has a 16G turbo on it, which is what they all is it not? ( i read that some had 14b's). So yeah, I am sorry about the TRIPLE post but that is what I have in regards to this whole story. Let me know if I am on track or what.

http://www.roadraceengineering.com/4g63motorsearch.htm ...Check the turbo/injectors to see exactly what motor you have. Hope that helps a little.

wich jake are you takin about?

If he is talking about me, I would fly out from Minneapolis (MPLS).


And to reply to the cyclone question:

If it's JDM then it is the cyclone motor. Also you can tell if it has larger injectors and a 16g. Unless someone upgraded them and you know that the person you got it from did it... There is some other ways to tell but you'll have to search more for those.

Theres never such thing as too much boost... Theres such thing as an untuned motor with not enough fuel = detonation = melted pistons!


That looks like a good kit. Hopefully nothing happened to your block/crank/rods!

Not sure yet if the bottom end is any good, just got the head off for now. The cylinder walls look good. It appears that the pistons melted along the edge so that now I can see the upper compression ring from the top of the piston. I only tore the head off because I lost compression and it was smoking out of the breather filter. There wasnt any noise (i.e rod knocking or anything along that line) just wouldn't stay running and smoked like a forest fire. REALLY BAD Its time to break out the micrometers lol DSM's kick ass

K, well it is JDM, it is a red top. It does not say cyclone on it anywhere, such as the intake or anything like that which I have seen. You said that there could be problems with it, is that just with the swap itself or problems after?