engine change

Where I live, there is a local drag strip that people are allowed to race on at night without it being illegal. There is this car there that has really been making me mad about the way he brags about his car and always wants to race for titles but he's never actually raced, he drives a Supra and claims to have turbo but i don't think he actually does cause there is no blow off valves or anything. I have this engine in my garage at home...Its a 3.0 or something like that, if i rebuilt it with high performance parts and put turbo in it and threw it into my 2002 Cavalier...would i be able to run with the supra?

I think you are a noob for asking that question... 1) There is now 3.0 GM made to fit into a cavalier that i can recall... 2) For the amount of money its going to take you to drop a different engine like ford or w/e... you'd be better off buying somthing will more ballz and alot safer at higher speeds than your car... I think you need to grow up and realize you should think before you post next time and do a little more reaserch... good day!

its a supra,it probably has a turbo. not every turbo car has a blow-off valve(like seen on f & f).you wont here that turbo untill it spools up.anyway,exactly what kind of engine is this 3.0?

yeh im a noob n stuff but i got a 2002 cavalier too and i was wondering pretty much the same thing .... is it possible(regardless of the money needed) to fit a 3.1L h.o. engine from a baretta or an older z24 into a 2002 cavalier?
another thing too in my car the motor doesnt say ecotec on it anywheres does that mean it isnt one or just was never called that att he time my car was made because i see alot of 2002 cavaliers that have ecotec engines but mine doesnt tell me anywhere that it is one or not althought on the air intake it does say 2200 2.2L it would be a big help if someone could explain this to me

i have a picture of my motor but i dont know how to put them in my mesages so.. if anyone needs to see it to help with the problem just tell me how to paste the pic in the message and ill gladly do so

You could boost your own motor and keep up with a supra. It depends on if there are any mods on the supra. A 3 litre supra motor can run up to 1000hp with the right amount of cash invested (a lot) so then you have little chance. He has the advantage of being RWD as opposed to your FWD. A turbo kit and some internal work on your motor could see you putting out about 250bhp or more depending on how much money you want to spend and how much disregard you will have for your motor in order to make this guy look stupid and there is always nitrous if you are that set to beat him. I wouldn't recommend it though because who knows what he has done to his car. You should mod for yourself. Your best bet is to go to another track!!!

like i say dont use nos just ask him to look under the hood of his supra if he dosnt then ask him. if he is so fast then why he never races his shit car

^ NOS is a brand name.. like NX, ZEX,and Venom... NO2, Nitrous (Oxide), Giggle juice are other names to call it... sorry but that is one of my pet peeves..

^ NOS is a brand name.. like NX, ZEX,and Venom... NO2, Nitrous (Oxide), Giggle juice are other names to call it... sorry but that is one of my pet peeves..

Not to Mention Edelbrock, Wizards of Nos (English co), Holley, Nitrous Works, Berg Works, Nitrous Oxide Systems etc etc.

You may have used N2O without knowing so at the Dentist.

Blame Jerry Bruckheimer and his woefully inaccurate pair of Films featuring a certain Pretty Boy Paul Walker. At least no-one calls it 'Nitro' anymore, a vastly more unstable chemical. Fun in glass bottle if you hurl them off of car parks though (don't try this at home) I'm also not telling how to make it. Although if you've seen fight club!?!

if your intake sasy 2200 2.2L, then thats the engine you have, its 115HP and not a very good engine to start moding. It takes alot of upgrades and money to mod that engine into anything resepctable. Most people just give up and buy a better engine or car.

^ very true.. but that best part is when people seeing you mod a 2.2 and after all the time and money you spend, the outcome it has. I don't expect much from mine since its my first car, and i will try to keep it as long as possible. Most i will do is probably run Nitrous for any type of boost application next summer in it..

^ very true.. but that best part is when people seeing you mod a 2.2 and after all the time and money you spend, the outcome it has. I don't expect much from mine since its my first car, and i will try to keep it as long as possible. Most i will do is probably run Nitrous for any type of boost application next summer in it..

Besides the fact that there is infinitely more stuff available for the 2.2 ecotec then the 2.4. The 2.2 Ecotec is the motor that is in Turbo form in the Vauxhall Vx220 Turbo and VXR220 and the Opel Speedster Turbo (same car) This is however a re-bodied Lotus Elise and they are made on the same production line by the same workers(in England)!!!! Bitchin little sportster. The Gm product is actually better then the Lotus one if talking in terms of 'fun-to-drive'!!!

so u have the same motor crj? and im assuming its not an ecotec then... and what does lotus and pel and vauxhall got to do with it and im pretty sure lotus is manufactured under toyota it was in car and driver a while back .... but yeah i guess im probly gonna have to swap in a 2.4l ecotec or something or a plain old 2.4 but yeah all that was helpfull

so u have the same motor crj? and im assuming its not an ecotec then... and what does lotus and pel and vauxhall got to do with it and im pretty sure lotus is manufactured under toyota it was in car and driver a while back .... but yeah i guess im probly gonna have to swap in a 2.4l ecotec or something or a plain old 2.4 but yeah all that was helpfull

If you read the friggin post you would have seen that the VX220, a european car which is the same as a Lotus Elise has an EcoTec! That was the point it is a sports car with an Eco Tec!!!!!!! 220hp from factory! Lotus is not under Toyota. What you read was that the motot in the Federal Elise so that it could be sold in the States is the 1.8 VVTi as found in the Celica and MR2. The reason for this is that the car has to go through federalisation in order to be sold in the states. The engine has to be put through a test whereby it has to cover 100,000 miles and not have any new parts, not even belts and instead of trying to get the Rover K-series engine through this the used an Engine which had already passed it!!!!!!! That is what Lotus and Vauxhall and OPel have to do with it. Opel and Vauxhall are GM like Holden is in Ausralia. It was to show how the EcoTec motor is obviously considered a good unit. Only Elise Engines are toyota Remember!!!!!!!!!!!!

alright sheez hold ur water man .. anyways im not overly concerned with my motor now its winter so im into interior anyways...

It nothing personal, it's just everyone on here is always trying to second guess me and it pisses me right off. So I can get a little snappy. Its seems like the huge e-mails I write aren't worth the bother!

yeah i hate that too with my circle of friends here at home i know exactly what you mean
oh well its all good

I have the 2200 LN4 OHV ( 99-02) and you my friend have the same unless purchased late in 02 where this is the year GM switched over to the ecotec.

http://www.funtigo.com/img/i11304549_21595.jpg
thats it.. same? i just got the car like a month ago so theres next to nothing on it for modifications

My sister has that motor! She's a Girl!!!

^ LOL.... you have alot of show.. but no go.. from that pic i can see its a manual transmission, a good amount of miles on it, and cruise control... here is my engine. as of now..

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/172487597844_147_full.jpg

not quite.. manual yes no cruise and just over 50k in kilometers (i live in canada) i need one of them intakes.thats probably the first engine mod im gonna get most likely a k&n one or rk sport

Rock the Manual son!!! Woop woop. No Slush boxes for me. This is my car number 6 and no autos in my history!!

My sister has that motor! She's a Girl!!!
whats that supposed to mean?? :wtf:

whats that supposed to mean?? :wtf:


It was a joke I was in a funny mood!!!!!

I got a Vibrant Intake from Car Modifier.com I'm in SE Ontario it's from Ottawa. It's not cold air but it sounds great and I'm making an Aluminium heat shield/air box with feed 6" from the road the coldest point! It was 135 CDN$ all told to my door by courier! But that's 2.4 they do a few for 2.2

If you lived in the US i could get you one like mine for 100 USD.. CAI are 195 USD... Items you cannot see are prothane engine mounts upper and lower.. and i think i am going to try one of those lightend crank pullies.

yeah what do different engine mounts do?

what car does a 3800 series V6 come out of? a guy that live like 3 hours from here took a 98 cav and put one of them in and supercharged it and hes running 9's at the strip
i want to do that i think it would satisfy me

yeah what do different engine mounts do?

Do you mean like urethane one? If so they stop the engine twisintg as mmuch and alow you to actually pull more power as you don't loose some as it is transferred to the mounts. They also last longer than stock rubber ones. Grand-Prix GTP has a 3800 supercharged motor. They put it in other W-body cars too.

yeah i need to find me one of them then.... :grinyes:

yeah i need to find me one of them then.... :grinyes:

www.rsmracing.com, based in T.O. and www.carmodifier.com in Ottawa. Both have them I think but 100% certain about RSM. They are J-Body club of Ontario affiliated.

yeah this is where i got the idea from... \/

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/526000-526999/526752_126_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/526000-526999/526752_190_full.jpg

this guy lives about 3 hours from my home town in Halifax, N.S. i talked to him for a minute at the sport compact nights show in august and yeah he said it was hard to do but it was worth it within the first week after it was done... \/ thats the link it has pictures of the whole project iif any of you are interested in seeing it

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/526752/1

V.Nice! Custom engine mounts up fron there on that!! Some underneath too. I wouldn't want to attach them to the slam lanel without reinforcing it though! They look like stock mounts been modified. and battery re-located to trunk I would imagine! If you don't mind the spending part go-ahead. RSM could even gice you some advise on it. They are very good!

That shop know what they are doing! That is a well documented swap right there!! Almost a how to!

yeah he was definatly the best car at the show in my mind i but i did like the carbon fibre bodied S2000 tho too
id like so see him at the track racing that thing a 9 second cavalier thats still a street car is pretty impressive

yeah he was definatly the best car at the show in my mind i but i did like the carbon fibre bodied S2000 tho too
id like so see him at the track racing that thing a 9 second cavalier thats still a street car is pretty impressive

True. It's a little crazy for me. I plan to autocross in Solo2Ontario and then make my way into solo1. so handling is my things. I'm after power though just not boost especially in FWD with open diff!

i want the best of it all i want to be tuned enough to do road racing and drag racing and autocross too so id need ligtweight handling and power ... i have a friend that gonna start drag racing an DOHC neon in the city so i can practise with his drag car more then likely

i saw that exact engine evry thing the same except for it was not supercharge it had duelport injection i saw 5 difrerent ones that i can choose from the engine is a buick i think but i might try that

yeah heh it is a good idea isnt it
hey noshun i like the new sig

the saturn ion has a supercharged ecotec engine also. 200 hp from factory. would not drive one though it's a saturn.

the saturn ion has a supercharged ecotec engine also. 200 hp from factory. would not drive one though it's a saturn.

205hp actually. They are putting the same s/charged 2.0 EcoTec in the Cobalt SS Supercharged although it's the same motor as the Saab 9-3 which has a turbo and kicks out 220hp!!! Why didn't they do that?!!!!!!!

this guy lives about 3 hours from my home town in Halifax, N.S. i talked to him for a minute at the sport compact nights show in august and yeah he said it was hard to do but it was worth it within the first week after it was done... \/ thats the link it has pictures of the whole project iif any of you are interested in seeing it

http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/526752/1
that is a nice car, agood,clean swap,but... all of that damn work and it runs 13's?!!!? atleast thats what the page says. hell,with what he's got in that i could build a bulletproof quad-4 f.i. it,run a shot of juice and get those results!!!

he said he runs 9's on the page somewhere i think u might have been reading abouthis previous engine.. but im not sure

alright sheez hold ur water man .. anyways im not overly concerned with my motor now its winter so im into interior anyways...
u can mod anything if u have the drive. i have a 2002 cavi with the 2.2l and i've had good results with my mods. 3" mandrell bent cold air intake, header, cat out with o2 simulater which does not work and hasn't worked since day one. 2"1/4 mandrell exhaust with magnaflow muffler and dual tips(one eack side of car) and a B&M short shifter so it doesn't shift like grandpa's farm truck. I now can spank a stock ecotec with a k&N filter with really pisses my buddy off cause his car has 15,000km on it and mine has 108,000km on and i spank him so now he has started to
mod it so i think next is a 60hp shot of No2 that will coincide with my computer to prevent engine damage. also goin to have GM redo my fuel mapping to coincide with performance mods. remember the 2.2 stock with 115hp and the ecotec has 140hp. good luck and don't listen to all the negativity about the 2.2 it's all bout what u want you're car to do not what others think it should do.

there could be many reasons but for one not all supra's were turboed and his may not be. the only real way is to see for one if he has gauges or 2 under the hood because its easy to say he doesnt have one and still could you never know. but if he had a twin turbo supra and talked all that crap he would def. race so i bet he doesnt have one. but he doesnt necessarly have to have a BOV it could be internal wastegate. my cousins twin turbo RX7 sounds nothing of a turbo but they are there. you would never know he has a turbo unless you actually looked. he has a black front mount and a mad quiet (pretty much silent) BOV and everything is sleeper so if he's smart he did the same. but as far as your engine on your car theres things you can do to the cavy but it takes money you could get around 400hp out of your car but ecotec's are kind of crapy. 2.4's were the best. but no matter what man i dont think you could run it with a twin turbo supra if it is. buy another car if you wanna beat him that bad but theres not much to compete wit a Twin turbo supra those cars are so easy to get power out of. good luck and as much as i love cavy's i even know theres no chance. ill let you borrow my 2004 cobra lol maybe you could run it with him. (521.7whp baby)

there could be many reasons but for one not all supra's were turboed and his may not be. the only real way is to see for one if he has gauges or 2 under the hood because its easy to say he doesnt have one and still could you never know. but if he had a twin turbo supra and talked all that crap he would def. race so i bet he doesnt have one. but he doesnt necessarly have to have a BOV it could be internal wastegate. my cousins twin turbo RX7 sounds nothing of a turbo but they are there. you would never know he has a turbo unless you actually looked. he has a black front mount and a mad quiet (pretty much silent) BOV and everything is sleeper so if he's smart he did the same. but as far as your engine on your car theres things you can do to the cavy but it takes money you could get around 400hp out of your car but ecotec's are kind of crapy. 2.4's were the best. but no matter what man i dont think you could run it with a twin turbo supra if it is. buy another car if you wanna beat him that bad but theres not much to compete wit a Twin turbo supra those cars are so easy to get power out of. good luck and as much as i love cavy's i even know theres no chance. ill let you borrow my 2004 cobra lol maybe you could run it with him. (521.7whp baby)

BOV's or dump valve are completely different to Wastegates! The wastegate on a stock car will maintain a maximum level of boost and this is what you connect a boost controller to which fools the wastegate into thinking it's running less boost! All Turbbos have Waste gates but not all have BOVs. A BOV just releases the pressure build up from when you close the throttle as there will still be compressed air in the tubing and upon reopening the throttle this will rush in with the fuel not being able to catch and it will lean out and ultimately can cause detonation and so the motor could receive some serious damage. A lot of stock Turbo cars don't have a BOV but they do have a valve that does the same job, these are called recirculating valves, some BOV recirculate but not all. It basically puts the air back into the intake before the turbo. This usually allows the intake to lessen the lag if the thottle is opened wide staight after a shift as there will be more air before the turbo to be compressed other than it just sucking it in! You can always hear a turbo but to the untrained ear it wouldn't sound like it!
You are right though that a stock Supra Motor can take a lot of boost and mash most other cars! Although in the Fast and the Fuirous they got that Supra and it had a 2jz. Jesse: "2JZ engine no shit!!" This is a toyota 2.0l motor and is a very good one but you couldn't push it above 400hp unlike the stock 3.0 I-6 the supra would of had, that could push in excess of 1000hp!

That 3.8L supercharged does not run 9's, it may have come close when he had the bottles full but no it doesn't run 9's. Thats James cavi and he has never laid claim to it running 9's that i'm aware of. This is a good customer of ours and he had the same swap done at double Z automotive in halifax. http://www.creativeautosports.com/gallery/gallery_lee.htm This one is faster than the first one cuz he has a few more performance mods if you exclude N2O. And in the quarter mile it doesn't even think about touchin nines. Plus both lee and james have plans to lose the supers and put on twin turbos which will be quite a bit more impressive. But nonetheless it also has its drawbacks. Personally i feel with the amount of money in those cars could of been just as well spent on an 2.2 ecotec

That 3.8L supercharged does not run 9's, it may have come close when he had the bottles full but no it doesn't run 9's. Thats James cavi and he has never laid claim to it running 9's that i'm aware of. This is a good customer of ours and he had the same swap done at double Z automotive in halifax. http://www.creativeautosports.com/gallery/gallery_lee.htm This one is faster than the first one cuz he has a few more performance mods if you exclude N2O. And in the quarter mile it doesn't even think about touchin nines. Plus both lee and james have plans to lose the supers and put on twin turbos which will be quite a bit more impressive. But nonetheless it also has its drawbacks. Personally i feel with the amount of money in those cars could of been just as well spent on an 2.2 ecotec

It's always good to get input from someone like yourself!

so i take it your in halifax then... i must have misread something on car domain but yeah wheres ur shop at im lookin for a place to go this summer to have work done on my car

u can mod anything if u have the drive. i have a 2002 cavi with the 2.2l and i've had good results with my mods. 3" mandrell bent cold air intake, header, cat out with o2 simulater which does not work and hasn't worked since day one. 2"1/4 mandrell exhaust with magnaflow muffler and dual tips(one eack side of car) and a B&M short shifter so it doesn't shift like grandpa's farm truck. I now can spank a stock ecotec with a k&N filter with really pisses my buddy off cause his car has 15,000km on it and mine has 108,000km on and i spank him so now he has started to
mod it so i think next is a 60hp shot of No2 that will coincide with my computer to prevent engine damage. also goin to have GM redo my fuel mapping to coincide with performance mods. remember the 2.2 stock with 115hp and the ecotec has 140hp. good luck and don't listen to all the negativity about the 2.2 it's all bout what u want you're car to do not what others think it should do.
^yeah i know but i still trust these guys' word too im not sure i still got just around 11 months to make money and plan it out so yeah the input is well more then appreciated

we're located in truro N.S and are called creative auto images, our main focus is car audio but anything you need done we can get for ya or we can do. check us out at http://www.creativeautosports.com You'll notice on our site that we deal a lot with J-bodies. If you ask around Nova Scotia, you'll be quick to learn that we are more focused on quality than quanity unlike most shops. Just check us out, you won't be disappointed.

we're located in truro N.S and are called creative auto images, our main focus is car audio but anything you need done we can get for ya or we can do. check us out at http://www.creativeautosports.com You'll notice on our site that we deal a lot with J-bodies. If you ask around Nova Scotia, you'll be quick to learn that we are more focused on quality than quanity unlike most shops. Just check us out, you won't be disappointed.

Some nice work on there. Shame i'm in ON!

thanks where abouts in truro i couldnt find anything on the site but yeah i like the work youve done i may have to come by this summer when i have a disposable income :iceslolan

Thanx noshun, i've followed some of your posts and that means alot coming from a car person like yourself.
We are located at 183 Pictou rd in Bible Hill (Truro). If you need directions or any thing the email address is on the website. Just send the email and because i am pisspoor with directions the owner will tell ya how to get there. Thanx for considering us, it'd be nice to get into another big install as remote start season is gettin tiring.

Thanx noshun, i've followed some of your posts and that means alot coming from a car person like yourself.
We are located at 183 Pictou rd in Bible Hill (Truro). If you need directions or any thing the email address is on the website. Just send the email and because i am pisspoor with directions the owner will tell ya how to get there. Thanx for considering us, it'd be nice to get into another big install as remote start season is gettin tiring.

Cars have been my life, my whole life. Anything that IMPROVES a car is a good thing. Most cars a re compromised to suit as many people as possible so it's always good to taylor one to the specific wants and needs of an individual. I enjoy looking at good work. I'm no Guru, I can just appreciate some good work when I see it!

yeah im the same way all my friends think im crazy but yeh... ill show them crazy when im legal hehe
once i get a job ill probably come up there to look for a body kit because i saw that youve already done one like what i want so ill know at least 1 place for sure..
you dont know anything about the sport compact nights show coming back to halifax again do you?

I've herad that SCN isn't comin this year do to piss poor turnout last year, but it will be in moncton. Ppl out here are too cheap anyway, you'll see that when you get heavy into the scene, Ppl are too cheap to spend money on good quality equipment for their vehicles so the whole Sport compact industry suffers in Nova Scotia. U'll see what i mean if u get into it heavy.

yeah im planning on the show in moncton and im gonna get into the customizing stuff heavily once i have a steady cash flow

yeah im planning on the show in moncton and im gonna get into the customizing stuff heavily once i have a steady cash flow

Sh*t you gotta go to Moncton to catch a show! Around central ON we get all kinds of shows some even on the same weekend. Darknights should be good! The J-body Bash I'm also looking forward to!