tC with 240hp..What the hell.

http://www.scionzone.com/html/tuner/trd/tcsupercharger.shtml

Do you guys smell bs toO?!
If this is true...
240hp under 20g's..wow
i hope this isn't old news.
if it is sorry.

i think everyone in the toyota/scion forums have known this for quite a while. they were discussing the trd supercharger a few months ago. since i own a tc and love it so dearly, i'm definitely going for the supercharger. my sales rep also informed me when i was buying the car that such an option would be available in the near future, and now that a date is set for the blower to come out, i can hardly wait!

Im sorry the number boggles my mind.

If this is true...
240hp under 20g's..WOW!

If i can scrape the money together, I have faith that the supercharger will be what its cracked up to be.

...240hp under 20g's..WOW!

Yeah, just remember where all that money gets shipped off to.

Yeah, just remember where all that money gets shipped off to.



explain to me how your car runs, performs, etc on 25% acetone? I can get enough acetone to do this a couple of times so please explain..........









EDIT: NEVERMIND I JUST NOTICED THE LINK

My friend bought a new tC and he wants to add some HP so I decided to do some research for him. Now according to "Consumer Report" (A self explanitory magazine) the dealer-installed super charger is suppose to take it up to 200 hp. To get 60 to 80 hp out of a super charger on a 4-banger is kind of reaching.

Im a camaro guy myself but I will admit that the TC is a pretty fun car... curious, anyone know what it does on the quater mile?

incase you wanted to know, the tc has the same engine, and weighs about the same as a camry, so you basically think the camry is a pretty fun car =P

The TRD Supercharger is supposed to be putting 200hp to the wheels.... not a giant increase over the stock hp... but it also wont void your warrenty either, since you'll have a toyota technician installing it.

For those of you not concerned about warrenties, lets not forget about all the turbo kits coming out though... Greddy's new kit for the tC should be out sometime this summer... big potential for a lot more hp with them than with the TRD supercharger

Latest CONFIRMED info here:

http://www.yoursciontc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4556&st=0

if your trying to get 240hp and keept the price under 20gs, good luck.

Here are some options for performance parts:
TRD supercharger
Turbocharger (turbonetics)
Intake
FULL TB exhaust (or for the non FIed, FULL CB exhaust)
Injectors
reflash( chip/remap)
CF hood
Port'n Polish head
Headers
Shave cylinder head
raise up the air/fuel ratio

first, to the camaro guy: i managed to run a 15.7xx in the quarter mile, i might be able to do better if i get my launch right. my car is pretty much stock, except for an intake.

second, to the guy who posted last: 240 hp can be achieved with zpi stage 0 and their exhaust system. also, i didn't know that carbon fiber adds horsepower.

if your trying to get 240hp and keept the price under 20gs, good luck.

Here are some options for performance parts:
TRD supercharger
Turbocharger (turbonetics)
Intake
FULL TB exhaust (or for the non FIed, FULL CB exhaust)
Injectors
reflash( chip/remap)
CF hood
Port'n Polish head
Headers
Shave cylinder head
raise up the air/fuel ratio

The TRD supercharger is putting down about 190whp, which is about 225 horsepower at the crank.

The turbonetics kit is putting down 240HP and 260lbs. of torque. But costs $4300

Intakes are not compatible with any supercharger or turbocharger out for the tC right now.

Injectors arent going to add power, they simply dump more fuel into the engine.

The full exhaust without having any type of forced induction will actually lower your horsepower, NA engines need some back pressure.

As of right now, people are having a very tough time cracking the new toyota ECU's, not even the MR2 ECU has been cracked yet, so there is no real way to remap this system without having some kind of piggy back or standalone system. Can you say... E-manage?

Carbon fiber hood takes about 10lbs of the car. I'll let you be the judge if you think thats going to help.

Whats the difference between a port and polish and shaved cylinder head? :screwy:

So far messing with the head on this car has only caused problems. It is a very very hard procedure.

What the hell does "raise up the air/fuel ratio" mean? :screwy: :screwy:
Yes we could make the car run lean, but that would compromise safety and reliability. If you never plan on running a turbo or a supercharger than i would recommend upgrading your pistons. However, it is still very hard to put a tC around 200whp with any sort of forced induction.

A friend of mine has his turbo'ed with a turbonetics sponsorship. He runs 12.4 1/4 mile. Eats gas but sounds great.

Heres my insight on the tc. in my opinion i wouldn't go with the trd supercharger. reason being if you finance it along with the car your gonna end up paying way more then you think after interest. not only that but the setup is limitted at the moment. a tc with the trd sc will typically run low 15's high 14's. not much bang if you ask me. now the turbonetics kit from turbo's.com puts down 244whp. after interest that trd supercharger will cost you just as much as if you bought a turbo kit. and the turbo kit is better in every way. i'm looking into buying a scion and thats the route i would go. theres plenty of after market support with ppl already running in the 12's with turbo kits. not only that but the kit comes with e manage and a base map. you can safely run a turbo kit.

Heres my insight on the tc. in my opinion i wouldn't go with the trd supercharger. reason being if you finance it along with the car your gonna end up paying way more then you think after interest. not only that but the setup is limitted at the moment. a tc with the trd sc will typically run low 15's high 14's. not much bang if you ask me. now the turbonetics kit from turbo's.com puts down 244whp. after interest that trd supercharger will cost you just as much as if you bought a turbo kit. and the turbo kit is better in every way. i'm looking into buying a scion and thats the route i would go. theres plenty of after market support with ppl already running in the 12's with turbo kits. not only that but the kit comes with e manage and a base map. you can safely run a turbo kit.


yes, the turbo kits are putting down much more power.
But there a couple of things we arent looking into that much.

TRD by far has the most staff, and most money to do their R&D with, with that being said, they are going to give you a F/I kit that has OEM reliability, and mediocore gains. Most of the people who buy the tC buy it because it is very reliable, and do not want to risk blowing their engines up.

Thats not to say the tC engine isnt strong, or that other companies aren't developing their turbo kits to the point where they can be considered reliable and well researched. Its a law of physics, that with more heat, there is more breakdown, so obviously the less power you are running, the longer your car will last, of course considering everything about the cars are the same [driver technique, maintenance, etc...]

Turbo kits are not better in every way
What turbo kit is giving you a 5yr/60k mile warranty?

I agree

One of my friend's brothers was the first in the US or w/e to get a supercharged TC straight from the dealer. That car has pull like a mother. TC's are badass.

A TC with 240BHP isnt going to break any records in the first place. With the glass tops the cars are pretty heavy, and the TRD superchargers SUCK! A turbo kit would be a much better investment. Ive seen turbo XB's with 188 WHP destroy TRD supercharged TC's. And to comment on what THE QUIET THINGS said, a turbo kit running under 8 psi on a TC or any Scion isnt going to do any damage.

And to comment on what THE QUIET THINGS said, a turbo kit running under 8 psi on a TC or any Scion isnt going to do any damage.


and thats why SOO many people have blown their motors already - have you ever visited scionlife?

you can blow the tC's motor on less than 8 psi, its all about the tune, and how much you abuse it. And since the tC doesnt come factory turbo'd, its not as simple to tune, nor is the engine ready to handle that kind of power constantly. The 2AZ-FE isnt that strong. It has some potential, but it sure has its flaws.

AND

The TRD SC does not suck. It comes installed and tuned for $4,000.
Some of the turbo kits out there for the tC cost more than 4k, and then add another 1k for tune and install; and on top of that, you do not have any warranty whatsoever.

You can get a TSI extreme turbo kit, with a Garret turbo, intercooler, hardware, tubing, manifolds, blow-off valve, and an ecu piggyback. Which DOES NOT void the factory warranty. And it's guranteed for a 56% increase in power. Thats about 250HP
cost: $2,535

The 2ZA-FE already has forged conn. rods, and with some stiffer valve springs and a better cooling system (plus heat wrap on the turbo, intake, and exhaust) you could safely get a pretty large power gain on the stock motor.

You can get a TSI extreme turbo kit, with a Garret turbo, intercooler, hardware, tubing, manifolds, blow-off valve, and an ecu piggyback. Which DOES NOT void the factory warranty. And it's guranteed for a 56% increase in power. Thats about 250HP
cost: $2,535

The 2ZA-FE already has forged conn. rods, and with some stiffer valve springs and a better cooling system (plus heat wrap on the turbo, intake, and exhaust) you could safely get a pretty large power gain on the stock motor.

How does this not void the warranty? Of course this voids the warranty. Any turbokit out there will void the warranty. No IF, ANDS, or BUTS.
The problem with the 2AZ is that it has no bottom end, i have seen first hand 2AZ's with holes in the block more than i have fingers.

Sorry, I read that wrong, I thought it sounded a little weird. The turbo kit is warrantied by TSI. But it's still a great deal, all of that for a little over $2,500. You can still run a turbo on the motor very safely, you can run a turbo safely on virtually any motor built today as long as you dont go crazy with it. A low boost setting on a smaller turbo with a good tune will still net more power than the TRD SC and I assure you it will be just as reliable.


And when forged rotating assemblies become widely availible a turbo will definately be the way to go.

Sorry, I read that wrong, I thought it sounded a little weird. The turbo kit is warrantied by TSI. But it's still a great deal, all of that for a little over $2,500. You can still run a turbo on the motor very safely, you can run a turbo safely on virtually any motor built today as long as you dont go crazy with it. A low boost setting on a smaller turbo with a good tune will still net more power than the TRD SC and I assure you it will be just as reliable.


And when forged rotating assemblies become widely availible a turbo will definately be the way to go.

I'm not debating the fact that the turbo will make more power than the SC. However, the SC is more reliable. SC generate less heat, and TRD has a brand new fuel map. So far no one has been able to break the ECU open, so the only tuning you can do on the tC with emanage or unichip is WOT. And lets face it, how often are we driving in WOT. Maybe 5% of the time. That means for the other 95% of the time, your stock ECU is panicing and trying to compensate for a lot of air that it never thought it would be seeing. And you can not assure me that it is just as reliable, when i have seen over a dozen turbo'd tC's blow their motors; first hand with my own eyes. I am talking rods shooting through the block, serious stuff. I have never seen any TRD SC's blow their engine, although i have heard of one, and it was replaced under warranty. You also have to look at the way the SC makes boost, and the way the TC makes boost. With a TC, around 3k RPM your engine is getting abused with all 8lbs of boost. With the SC, your has deal with linear boost, and not being smacked in the face with a full-spooled turbo at such a low RPM.

you would have to have a very small turbo for it to be spooled up on a stock TC engine at 3k RPM, besides with a few other upgrades besides a turbo (cams, etc.), your boost would naturally drop a couple of PSI. And with a good cooling system and insulation, the heat generated will drop considerabely. Not to mention you could fix the heat problem by remote-mounting the turbo. Some people like SC's, some like turbos. But I couldnt see paying that much $$$ for a SC thats only going to net 50WHP. Thats only gonna be about 3-4 tenths of your 1/4 mile time anyways...Whats the point?

you would have to have a very small turbo for it to be spooled up on a stock TC engine at 3k RPM, besides with a few other upgrades besides a turbo (cams, etc.), your boost would naturally drop a couple of PSI. And with a good cooling system and insulation, the heat generated will drop considerabely. Not to mention you could fix the heat problem by remote-mounting the turbo. Some people like SC's, some like turbos. But I couldnt see paying that much $$$ for a SC thats only going to net 50WHP. Thats only gonna be about 3-4 tenths of your 1/4 mile time anyways...Whats the point?

No, it wouldnt have to be a small turbo at all. ZPI and many other aftermarket companies fo r the tC have kits that are COMPLETELY spooled by 3k RPM. Cams, etc. will not drop PSI, if anything, PSI will increase. PSI will drop by adding more piping and adding an intercooler. Theres also nowhere else to put a remote mounted turbo, so that is totally out of the question without a lot of money. and yea... the SC drops the stock tC time of 15.7 down to 14.7. I think thats more than 3-4 tenths.