Loss of liberties...

Would you still feel the same way if it were you in the wrong place at the wrong tiime?

I will NEVER be that person, nor will any American on this forum. You are trying to spread paranoia and it's not working. Homeland Security does a good job for us, and they're getting better all the time. They are catching up on people that have slipped through the cracks, as well as current violaters. Some guy whining about how he has gotten away with hiding in our country for years while breaking our laws, or married here to avoid deportation, gets no sympathy from me. I hope they ass-fuck him with a tire iron before they ship his ass out.

I will NEVER be that person, nor will any American on this forum. You are trying to spread paranoia and it's not working.
thats very optimistic and niave, but your already wrong. ive been there. been harrassed and detained because of increase fear and paranoya of terrorists...and im white

Homeland Security does a good job for us, and they're getting better all the time. They are catching up on people that have slipped through the cracks, as well as current violaters.
they have to get better, they couldnt exactly get much worse.

Some guy whining about how he has gotten away with hiding in our country for years while breaking our laws, or married here to avoid deportation, gets no sympathy from me.
wait...he was here legally, wasnt he? and so what if he married, doesnt mean he did it to avoid deportation, and even if he did, that still makes his stay legal. deal with it.

I hope they ass-fuck him with a tire iron before they ship his ass out.
highly unessecary, he did nothing to you or anyone else :banhim:

I will NEVER be that person, nor will any American on this forum. You are trying to spread paranoia and it's not working.


Will you excuse us please aloharocky? it was a civil question, asked of the gladhatter.Your comments about pouring acid into the eyes of a prisoner of war have already marked you out as a buffoon,and you have further compounded my distaste for you with your tire iron comments.

What we have here is essentialy a serious forum,occasionally spiced up with angry hyperbole.Most of what you post appears to be angry hyperbole, with very little avenue for serious debate.

If you could modify your posting habits so that you come across as less of an arrogant blowhard, you might get taken more seriously.I've tried on several occasions to engage you in dialogue, but you seem incapable of articulating your thoughts in coherent and soundly-reasoned sentences.

For the record,I'm not trying to spread paranoia....I'm just trying to establish whether those who are so quick to excuse breaches of civil rights of othersfor the sake of a war would be so willing to accept the loss of their own.


Gladhatter?

Americans are losing no rights. You keep pretending Americans are suffering when they're not. If security people want to see an ID, no problem. Want to search me or my belongings, no problem. I'm waiting to hear of a real example of where and when this happened, been waiting for an example since Homeland Security has been established. So far, all's I've heard of is fairy tales from disgruntled travelers, idiots who think the rules don't apply to them, and dopers that are afraid they'll get caught holding. You think taking your shoes off at the airport is violating your rights? LOL, Good luck convincing others the sky is falling.

[QUOTE=lazysmurff]thats very optimistic and niave, but your already wrong. ive been there. been harrassed and detained because of increase fear and paranoya of terrorists...and im white


Let's hear all about it. How were your rights lost? Lets hear how you were "harassed and detained" and how it relates to your rights being lost. I'm betting you were asked to show ID or open a bag, and you got cocky, perhaps?

jesus, ive gone over this already...but to satiate your need...

one night, i decided to take a walk. a walk on my PRIVATE colleges campus. at the beginning of the school year. now, given my punk rock tendencies, i wasnt wearing baggy clothing. nor was i sneaking around, i was on my own campus. but a police officer (because someone called in a complaint he claims...nearest residence is the dorms...and the only houses were on the other side of campus) decided i was a menace enough to call campus security for permission to enter campus, stop me, ask me not only to provide ID, but i was also asked my business, and (who would have thunk) when i said i was just walking, he decided it was a good idea to hold me in the back of his car (for his safety he claims) while he ran a background check on me. good thing all i have on my record is speeding tickets...

i was searched, including a removal of clothing. i was asked several questions about the reciepts in my wallet (gee, since when was buying sharpies, chips, salsa, and redbull a crime?) and generally asked several uneccesary questions about my business.

when i was let go 45 minutes later, i wasnt charged with anything, i got no tickets, no citations, and no warnings, just a "nice to see you arent a terrorist, have a nice evening"

when i went to go see a lawyer about this, he said if someone actually did call in that they thought i might be a threat to security, the cop was perfectly legit to do what he did.

sorry if im not ok with that.

we wont go into the fact that i cant go to a bush rally with an anti bush sign without being escorted off the premises by the secret service...

I will NEVER be that person, nor will any American on this forum. You are trying to spread paranoia and it's not working. Homeland Security does a good job for us, and they're getting better all the time. They are catching up on people that have slipped through the cracks, as well as current violaters.All is well.....All is well.....All is well.....All is well.....now.....sign here.

It's paranoia and fear that got this legislation through in the first place.

Some guy whining about how he has gotten away with hiding in our country for years while breaking our laws, or married here to avoid deportation, gets no sympathy from me.

This comment shows you either didn't read it and comprehend what was written or you are deliberately trying to mislead those who are too lazy to read it for themselves.

I hope they ass-fuck him with a tire iron before they ship his ass out.

His ass was shipped out long ago - something you would have known if you had actually read and comprehended what was written.

If anybody in homeland security has the attitude that you have displayed - i.e. not comprehending the information in front of them then making judgements arising from ignorance, or worse, malice - then there will be many more cases like this. What's more, the legislation now removes any checks that would've prevented it.

All I know is that I am sickened by the goddamned hypocrites in here, whom I doubt will be even half-way attempting to justify all this crap, had this exact crap been pushed by a Democratic administration.

Fucking hypocrites, that's all I can say.

Why are you so upset I didn't see one person here talking democrat or republican. Its not about republicans not every topic is about it.

It's nearly impossible to get anywhere in the U.S. if you weren't born there, even if you do everything absolutely legally.

Is the U.S. trying to encourage in-breeding? :lol2:

Why are you so upset I didn't see one person here talking democrat or republican. Its not about republicans not every topic is about it.

So you're telling me that you would have supported the Patriot Act the way it stands, even if it was Clinton or maybe even Kerry that pushed for it?

So you're telling me that you would have supported the Patriot Act the way it stands, even if it was Clinton or maybe even Kerry that pushed for it?

Yes! Yes I would stand behind it no matter who the president was. Now As we all know the president doesn't make laws its up to congress to enact them. I don't totally agree with the Patriot act but I can't pick out the bad and only follow what I believe is correct. Its like only obeying laws that you like and disobeying the ones you don't. Like it or not its a law and I try to obey the law.

Would you still feel the same way if it were you in the wrong place at the wrong tiime?
I don't think I will ever have to worry about it. I stay OUT of the "wrong places". "Wrong places" are those one should avoid. Law abiding Americans generally stay away from thos eplaces as tat is the prudent thing to do.

the thing is, everywhere is becoming a wrong place

I don't think I will ever have to worry about it. I stay OUT of the "wrong places". "Wrong places" are those one should avoid. Law abiding Americans generally stay away from thos eplaces as tat is the prudent thing to do.

So , you are going to stay away from US airports, I take it? Obviously,there has to be an increased security presence in times of war,particularly in the wake of the WTC attacks, but they seem to have become the unacceptable face of the Patriot Act....

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html

In my country, and most other countries, only known criminals get their fingerprints taken and kept on record. To fingerprint every non-US citizen who visits America or passes through en route to elsewhere will create a massive database of worthless information.People have been fined, detained,even deported for objecting to what in their own country amounts to a slur on their character...Now there will be those who say 'tough, you want to come, those are our rules',but since when did fingerprinting prevent crime?the technique has been around for decades, yet still, crimes are committed.Is a terrorist who intends blowing himself to smithereens going to give a damn if the US can pick up the remains of his digits and confirm his identity after the fact?
Of course not.The fingerprint routine is just another way of reinforcing the misconception that Johnny Foreigner is always the bad guy.the whole siege mentality that has developed since the WTC attacks is out of all proportion, and has thus far only really affected those with olive skin and heavy accents.When ordinary American-born citizens start getting hauled off to Guantanamo Bay, it will be too late to stand up for your rights,because you won't have any.

But anyway, some of these acts to bother me quite a bit. I want to hear some of your guys' responses before i really say to much EXCEPT to say: The second i see a case of a person speaking out agaisnt the government being deemed a terrorist and thrown into prison without trial..or simply 'disappearing', then i am going to excesize my second amendment rights to the fullest and join me a milita. I'm probably being black-flagged by the gov't for even TYPING that... but if i am... it proves my point.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you steel, I think its just another step towards "The New World Order"

Haha, the latest, though technically it doesn't apply to US Citizens, is that packaged food is not allowed to be brought into the country. The stupid thing is, homemade food is allowed. So, my mother could bake some marijuana brownies to take down to my sister in Florida, but my sister can't take down a packaged, bought, quality controlled chocolate bar...:eek7:

Haha, the latest, though technically it doesn't apply to US Citizens, is that packaged food is not allowed to be brought into the country. The stupid thing is, homemade food is allowed. So, my mother could bake some marijuana brownies to take down to my sister in Florida, but my sister can't take down a packaged, bought, quality controlled chocolate bar...:eek7:

I wonder if it has anything to do with this....

US becomes net food importer for first time in nearly 50 years (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/121304_food_imbalance.shtml)

On Nov. 22, it officially dropped. According to U.S. Department of Agriculture Economic Research Service estimates released that day, 2005 will be the first year in nearly 50 that America will not turn an agricultural trade surplus.