EVERYONE READ NOW! change time!

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/announcement.php?f=343

This way there is no excuses for anyone not to have seen the announcement I made! This is pathetic people. I get sick of it, and I know other people do to. I havent seen a certain member post within the last week and I gaurantee it has something to do with all the retarded posts. And are we in elimentary school still? Use good grammar and spelling (I'm not too worried about spelling just do your best cause everyone makes mistakes, and if you see you made one, use the edit button, dont make a new post!)

I'm not on a power trip here, its just other places I have seen make this place look bad and I dont want that! Say if I were to go to another site and join, tell them that I am from Automotiveforums and they laugh and say, "That place is so pathetic, people dont even know how to spell over there, nor do they use correct grammar." How does that make you feel? Then I'm suppose to tell them I am a moderator, HA. They would laugh and say what do you moderate! It hasnt happened yet but I dont want it to happen so I am doing something about it now.

Post your opinions. USE GRAMMAR! If I see a post without it in here, it will be delete.

Jake

It sounds like a good idea but i'm not sure how many people are going to stick around if all their posts get deleted.

Well thats their problem! This is not a site where you can just post however you want. And from what I have seen its mainly only the newbies that post like this. We dont need them anyways!

ALSO another change to be made... POST IN THE DAMN SUBFORUMS! There are a lot of post that refer to Tech/Performance/Non-Performance in the main forum. USE THEM!

good idea! , but i think new users should get alittle more time to get used to every thing...and it should be easy for the more experienced member to follow these rules....the AF members with experience should also set a good example for new comers to AF.

I dont get it. Who cares. Sometimes the grammar does get bad, but comeon, for real!! Who cares? Almost all of us still know what that person is trying to say. Are you not street smart?

"We are suppose to look professional not like kids! "

According to who? Who made this rule up? Alot of these people here are kids. People are still finding answers to their questions. If not, they're posting questions so people can help them out. Its all about helping each other. Some people might not speak English too good... then what? All of their posts are going to get deleted because their grammar isnt too good? This makes no sense. Posts are going to get deleted and people are going to start leaving...There's plenty of other places to go where their posts are not going to get deleted.

Just my :2cents: . Let me guess... I'll get banned because I voiced my opinion. Well worth it though.

Also, since Im reading some threads here, got another question. When people say, "Man, that car is sick..." is that going to get deleted? Think about it... according to you, that isnt correct grammar, so would it get deleted? Also, I didnt use any ' in my thread just now... Will it get deleted? Just asking, because I dont want my threads deleted...

HAHA.. I like the whole banned thing! I asked for comments. Why would I ban you? You've got a good point but I can tell if someone knows how to speak english or not! Plus if you are under 13, you are not allowed on this site. Igor, the owner and founder of this site said, "If someone can not use proper spelling and grammar then they dont belong here." I'm sure by the age of 13 you could write a sentence using proper grammar and spelling, if not I suggest you go back to 3rd grade! If you dont want to be here because of it, is that my problem? Some people (the more experianced and knowledgable members) dont want to be here because people dont use grammar! Is that fair? Why cant everyone grow up and start learing how to type/write? My 8 yr old cousin can write better than most of the people on here. Would you type/write like this on an important job application? Yes this site is suppose to look professional. If it doesnt no one would sponsor it and want their name on it. The sponsors are what keep AF free, just like you see all the advertizements around here, on the top/right/bottom of the pages. That is what makes AF free so without them... Are you willing to pay?

man. is AF that bad a grammar? is that a big issue in or on the internet? for my opinion, i'd say it has to be written in SWE, Standard Written English, if not than we do not know what the hell you are talking or typing about. Another problem is that you CAN NOT express feelings through the internet, it'd be pointless, it'd make me feel stupid if i got mad at someone through the internet. My opinions tho...

Those few people that dont want to be here because of bad grammar shouldnt be here then. If they cant handle some typos and people not spelling so good, then let them go. Why do we want them here? Let them bitch and complain and do their own thing.

I think this is a good rule. When you do not write in complete sentences is really hard for the readers to read and try to understand what you are saying. If its too hard/takes too long to read then people wouldn't want to finish reading it, then no one would post. I know I'm like that. Its one thing if you miss type a few words in your post, I can understand that. However, when you start using the AIM way of typing and then don't use grammer, that makes it hard for people to answer you.

About using the sub-forums though, I don't think the site is designed to encourage people to use the sub-forums. What I mean is, if you goto the AF homepage, and then click on Forums, and then click on Mitsubishi and then the Eclipse/Talon/Laser it automatically direct you to this forum, so when people to want to post a thread then automatically post it in this forum. Now, say if you click on the Eclipse/Talon/Laser forum link, and then you are presented with choices of which sub-forums you want to goto, I think that would encourage more people to actually start using the sub-forums.

Its not typo's and spelling mistakes I am talking about! Its the "hey what r u doin" and things like that! Run on sentences are unnecessary also. Use punctuation.

And the comment about "Man, that car is sick..."

How do you find that not proper grammar? It has a Capitol M on man, it uses punctuation, it decribes the car and is ended with a period. Looks fine to me!




EDIT: Wuman82... Thats a good idea about the sub-forum issue. I will bring it up to the site admin and see what he has to say!

I think the subforums suck. GOod idea, but it already takes long enough to navigate to the main Eclipse forum. I dont have time to check 10 different forums, thats why I post allmy questions here. Even my general engine questions. I dont have time to goto the seperate forums and all. Im a busy man

Those few people that dont want to be here because of bad grammar shouldnt be here then. If they cant handle some typos and people not spelling so good, then let them go. Why do we want them here? Let them bitch and complain and do their own thing.

You want them here because they give you the answers to your and other people's questions. Does that makes sense? I dare you to find ONE reputable forum where people don't look down upon those who can't even type in at least an adult manner. Take a look at all the popular/good forums, regardless of whether they have to deal with cars or not. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them will require you to type in a decent way, and not accept the childish shit we see so often around here.

I completely agree with Jake's statements, and I understand where he is coming from. I wouldn't want to be a moderator, or any other authority figure at a forum that won't even enforce some sort of order to keep their site looking somewhat professional!

I write like that every now and then, and I have a great job. That has nothing to do with it. Most people dont have the same "personallities" online that they have in person. I know that sounds weird, but it's true. Im going to stop here, I think I made my points. Ill be posting till I get banned.

Oh, and just a side note, I've been banned from over 10 forums already. Im a programmer in my spare time, but for PC and PPC. I was rebelious, and no one liked it, taking on my own projects and breaking away from groups. Im used to being banned. Its actually fun to me. Good times.

What about the people from the bayou and shit. Like Louisiana, like me :) . Our school system sucks. Im in college and still couldnt write a good grammer correct paper, without the help of my girlfreind or the internet.

lol but I understand what yall are talking about. The AOL Instant Messanger and cell phone text short hand has got to go. It does make it hard to understand a lot of times.
About the Sub Forums issue, I think its a good idea for the more frequent members but the new guy that has just got a new DSM and has no clue where to start would be screwd. I think we need to work on the grammer problem first and then worry about the sub forums thing after.

understood, and going to follow. but dont get mad if i mess up once in a while. i be writing on here sometimes when i wake up before i start my day and tend to not like to think so hard in the morning.

I'm not trying to be a jackass or any thing, but i think I have seen you (Jake) type like STFU and stuff. Wouldnt that be a good example of what you are talking about not wanting people doing???? What the hell does that mean any ways??? lol just wondering.

Everyone has 1 week. I have asked before because it helps everyone when you are asking and answering questions. Put the year, model and tranny (auto/5spd) of your car in your sig (or it will be done for you!). Also lets pick up on the grammar people! We are adults and should be typing like them, not "yo man u gunna b @ da crib b 4 me homie." Internet slang makes it harder on everyone to read and I know I have passed up on plently of threads because of it! I have gone onto some other forums around the net and this one is terrible for grammar. We are suppose to look professional not like kids! I know I have posted in slang terms but its over now. Tell me... would you use slang terms in your papers for school? Didnt think so, so why do you use them here? If I see a post with bad grammar after next weekend (12-19-04) then it will be deleted.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to PM me about it. No complaining, no excuses! This is pathetic people.

No ones post should look worse than this by next week!

~EclipseRST
Your friendly AF Moderator

If you would have read the announcement I made you would have seen that. Yes I know I have done it, but I no longer will!

Joemathews has the right idea on how grammar will be judged... Just dont post like a fucking idiot and you will be fine.

David_B... If you want to be banned and think it is fun, I can ban you, no prob! That is up to you. Just stop acting like a little baby, suck it up and post like an adult!

Seems to me like the main people this is being aimed at aren't giving their opinion. Ive been posting for almost a year now and seems to me like the only ones who really use bad grammar are the newbs. And I think that the sub-forums were a good idea, BUT, they aren't workin anyway. People suck it up! Post in the sub-forums, thats why they are there. And use proper grammar.

EDIT: Also, whats with all the post-whoring? People come to this site and get 5,000 posts in 2 months from posting crap like "Thats cool" or "Im not sure what that is". Its starting to get old real quick.

Im not trying to get banned here. Im just saying... Ill be here till I get banned or the site closes down. That's what I was getting at.

Im not like trying to act like a baby here. Was just stating the obvious. Sorry if I came off that way. Again, just stating the obvious.

Ok I guess i should talk on behalf of the newbs. Why do you guys complain about the grammar so much? Stop hating on the newbs because without us this site wouldnt run. Weren't you all newbs at some point? This forum IS about helping others, and whenever we have problems we come to the forum to do a quick post and try to get a quick response. Do you actually think people are going to go through all the subforums to post in the right place? Its already a hassle trying get to the eclipse/talon/laser forum and you want us to do even more clicking to get to the correct subforum. Not all of our questions fall into one of these forums. Also, grammar might be essential in school papers, and job applications, but in no way can u compare that to a freaking internet forum!!! Are you kidding me? There is no proffessionalism in this site whatsoever and there is nothing wrong with that. The forum is fine the way it is, I love this place because i've gotten alot of help and enjoy reading other posts but you guys need to cut back a little, and just chill.
There is nothing wrong with the forum now, and it should just stay the way it is. I understand there are some idiots that can't spell but thats not their fault! We all understand them anyways.

Well I guess thats all I needed to say and don't mean to sound rude or anything just had to give my opinion.

Ok, think of this. How about if all the knowledgable guys, like Kevin, dont want to post anymore cause of all the bad grammar and spelling? Thats fine I guess cause its not that important right? I'm alright with that, I refuse to help anyone until the grammar shapes up, sound fair enough? Kevin hasnt been here in almost a week! I WONDER FUCKING WHY. If I wasnt a Mod I wouldnt waste my time either, when people are telling him he doesnt know what he is talking about. I wish all the newb's would just shape up or leave. This isnt a place to come and ask anything you want and get answers, if it were that easy this place would be full of dumbasses more then it already is. I definately wouldnt be here anymore, I know some other people wouldnt be here either! If all the newbs want to post however they want, go right ahead, but dont expect any help from me. And the same rules apply still, more than one thread - it will be deleted, dont post whore or you will get a vacation (banned). I will still be around to enforce the rules, I just refuse to help starting 12-13-04 @ 12:55am CST.

Thank-you and have a wonderful life!

~EclipseRST


Edit: Oh yea, and my opinion is that car in your sig is Fucking ugly! Yes knowledge is power, something you have neither of. And if you think you will gain both from this site, guess again, unless people shape up and learn how to type/write.

Good-day.

HAHA! Damn u sure digested my post there buddy. Ok well i was just telling you all what I thought which of course doesnt matter, and I hope everyone learns how to write so that they wont get banned. I still like this place and I dont have a problem with my grammar or spelling so I guess I'm straight.

Edit: Oh yea, and my opinion is that car in your sig is Fucking ugly! Yes knowledge is power, something you have neither of. And if you think you will gain both from this site, guess again, unless people shape up and learn how to type/write.

Oh and my opinion is that your avatar is ugly as fuck but you don't see me making fun of it just because you spoke your mind. Grow up, and why would you assume I have no knowledge just because I didn't go with your new rule? Typical mod...think they can say whatever they want because if someone doesnt agree you just banned them right? Well I guess this will be my last post because I spoke my mind and now i'll probably get banned.

I agree with this rule to an extent....and I'll explain why. I realize that in different areas of the country there are varying standards of education. But use of proper English has been conveyed to everyone from a very early age. I understand that some of you may not be as educated as other. That’s why tools, such as Microsoft Word's "spelling and grammar check", have been created. Obviously most of you have some degree of computer literacy and would have no problem copying and pasting your post into Microsoft Word.

Now I'm going to play "devils advocate"....

I don't know that we are going to persuade someone that has decided they are not interested in using proper English (both written and oral), to begin learning just so they can post in our forum.

I think this will be a problem that will only be resolved in one of the two following ways:

1. I have noticed that 99.9% of the knowledgeable members are able to convey their thoughts in a structured, easy to understand manner. Those members need to stop replying to the frustrating and incomprehensible threads. This in turn will force the illiterate members to find another forum, as their posts will never be answered.

Or,

2. One, or both, of the moderators need to start banning and/or deleting posts of the people they feel are not complying with the rules (and I do realize that both of you have other lives to live).

Side note:

Rules are rules!!!!! Just because you don't agree with a particular rule DOES NOT give you the right to disobey. Just think what our society would be like if everyone decided which laws to follow and which they didn't agree with. This would lead to more chaos than we are presently exposed to.

Oh and my opinion is that your avatar is ugly as fuck but you don't see me making fun of it just because you spoke your mind. Grow up, and why would you assume I have no knowledge just because I didn't go with your new rule? Typical mod...think they can say whatever they want because if someone doesnt agree you just banned them right? Well I guess this will be my last post because I spoke my mind and now i'll probably get banned.

I'm glad you think I'm ugly... If you didnt, I would think you are gay. You didnt like the rules so you spoke your mind. So if you're telling me to grow up for speaking my mind and saying "I didnt like the car in your sig (4g eclipses are ugly as fuck and they are worthless!)" doesnt that contradict what you are saying? So in return you are just telling yourself to "grow up"!

I stated you had no knowledge cause you act like it and by saying "Ok I guess i should talk on behalf of the newbs.....This forum IS about helping others, and whenever we have problems we come to the forum to do a quick post and try to get a quick response."

And since I am such a "typical" Mod, then find me one time where I have banned someone unfairly! I have given people warnings and have given so many people so many chances that usually the other mods will ban a person before I do! I say whatever I want, whenever I want because it's a free world and I like to speak my mind, not because I have a power trip! Seriously though I want you to prove me wrong... Show me one member I have banned cause they didnt agree with me!

Good luck. :screwy:

~EclipseRST

Nick8539 and DavidB, you two both write in a legible manner, so WHY the hell are you arguing?! There is nothing to argue here! I, and everyone else here realize that everyone starts out as a newb. That has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with their ability to write in a decent manner.

Like I said, please find me ONE reputable forum where decent writing is not enforced or encouraged. Otherwise, just shut up because the rule won't effect you in the least. :shakehead

And since I am such a "typical" Mod, then find me one time where I have banned someone unfairly! I have given people warnings and have given so many people so many chances that usually the other mods will ban a person before I do! This is true, I have never seen Jake, in the couple of months that I have been here, ban any one that didn't deserve it!

Nick8539...

You really spoke on behalf of the newbs out there. You demonstrated how utterly immature, unprofessional and truely grammattically illetierate you are. Sure, we were all newbs at one point, I do not even really have that many posts. Yet I always have typed in a solid state that makes it easy for people to read understand and the like.

If you want a quick response to something, wouldn't you try to make it as easy to read as possible? Would that not make it more attractive for people to look at, and make them want to respond to?

I know that when I see a post filled with the "how r u doin" or "that wat i think 2" kind of thing, I just get out of it.


As for the subforums...

I try to use them, except I have found that I get to responses to my questions when I post in there. So, I think the only real way that they are gonna work is it everyone starts using them at once. Another option would be to just get rid of them, but I think they are a good idea...if used properly.

Just my thoughts...

Nick8539...

You really spoke on behalf of the newbs out there. You demonstrated how utterly immature, unprofessional and truely grammattically illetierate you are.


Ok exactly how the hell does this make me immature, unprofessional, or truly grammatically illiterate????
First learn how to spell these words and don't to come at me me with something that you cant even spell and probably dont even know what it means. Im tired of this thread already. I spoke my mind and I will respect the new rules, however there is no needs to try to make me look like a fool when obviously your the one whos making yourself look stupid. :nono:

Alright, Im done. EclipseRST I respect your opinion and I will gladly follow your new rules.

fuck. come on guys, drop it! just think before you type. there are exceptions to every rule, but lets not disect this one. hes 99% righ

use the search button
"try" and post in the right fourm
"try" and use readable grammer.
"try" to reamber why we're all here. this isnt english class, it shouldnt have to be a chore for anyone to comunicate effecently.

the 1% i dont agree with is:

i do happen to "think" that if anyone desides not to post bassed soley and strictly on their biased opnions of (newbies, bad grammer, to knolagabe for the threads, exc) then i personally think they Should pack their bags and leave to a diffrent fourm. and good riddens!! becasue this is a newbe fourm. like it or not. the only way we can chage this is by working together to make this fourm a respectable well informed place to exchange knoledge and most imprtantly HAVE FUN!.

there will always be problems, there will always be bench racing, bad grammer, mis-spelled words (me), arguments, and g-wigger talk, but we can controle the amount. """the more experienced you get the more you'll want people to take you seriously."""

so let this thread die out, and just listen to jake.

ps. jake will you make a newbe sub-fourm so we can isolate what ever problem people seem to have with answering the same questions we ""ALL"" once had!

Your right, I spelt it wrong, sorry buddy! My mistake, an extra "T" really screwed up and stuff like that...

All I am saying man is that you come on and start talking smack about how Jake is "ugly as fuck" and stuff like that. Surely you have a great vocabulary than that, maybe find some better choice words? I am saying that you are not really helping out yourself or the rest of the newbs on here.

I agree that he is right as well!!

I agree that this should just end...so....

THE END!!

damn... all this over trying to have a nice forum.

i'm one of the ''high posters'' [if you will] and i think that this is a great move. we all know what LOL and LMAO mean, and should know a couple others like IMHO and the STFU stuff.

but grow up just a bit.

this is not back yard wrestling or who can swing the highest on the playground. it's not www.cyberguyzandcars.com (http://www.cyberguyzandcars.com). it's just a forum where we can all talk shop and such.

it does turn into a community no matter what we do though. so try to think of it like that. i'm on a couple different car forums [and a couple other non-car's as well] and i see the most crap in here. just the little ~postwhoreish~ things and cyber typing mostly, which is what the goal is to clean up.

as far as the sub-forums, i was not really all for it to begin with. mostly becauyse i don't have time to go between them all, and a lot of stuff gets put into the main as it is. but a dedicated performance is nice. but what happens is that the main is left to all the 'fluff' topics and threads that get most of the crappy lingo in them.

overall, we should all want to be a part of a nice place. i know i want to. some of you are thinking that this is a democracy. i don't remember voting for our moderators [although i would have voted for the guys that are in there now if it were the case].

i think that there are only a couple of guy's left in here from the old school [about a year ago]. we didn't have mod's back then at all, and although we may have needed one slightly then, we DEFINITLY need them now.

so everyone stop complaining and lets make the best DSMish site out there :)

All I have to say to the topic at hand is, try to fuckin communicate clearly. none of this bullshit short hand anymore. and try to make coherent sentences that convey a clear line of thought. i've run across plenty of threads where i wondered how the author even got past the 3rd grade. i've also come across threads that don't in any way convey a clear thought pattern. fuck people, don't get all hurt.

look i think slang is fine, a long as its understandable by all. none of this region specific slang.

puntuation is another big issue here. its not that hard. type like you talk. almost every person you can read/write/speak english speaks with almost perfect grammar.

as far as things such as STFU, MAF, ECU, COP, etc. are all fucking acronyms. they mean things and are commonly used, especially by the automotive word, minue such one's as STFU. as long ass the acronyms are commonly used i don't think anyone will mind. in fact, most of the older, more knowledgable guys use these common acronyms when they give an awnser. if you don't know what it means then, look it the fuck up on vfaq, or else where before you tell them they don't know what their talking about.

nick8539, attacking jake is going to be to no avail. he is extremly knowledgable about dsm's. this is true about many of the older members.

sub forums are great. i have yet to need to use them but it sorts out alot of the useless crap. and to further that i think we should have a sub-forum dedicated to the off topic/bullshit/community. along with the general discussion, non-performance, performance, and problem diagnoses.

so somewhat like this.
www.automotiveforums.com
mitsubishi
>>> eclipse/talon/laser
>>>general discussion, off-topic/community, performance, non-performance, problem diagnoses.

hope you guys get the general idea. so instead of opening to a list of threads with the sub-forums at the top, when you open the e/t/l forum it brings you to another list of sub-forums to select from. then once you have selected a sub-forum you will be taken to the lists of threads. just an idea. i think that would really clean up the forum overall.

and please people add what type of car you have, the year and transmission type to your signature. it will alivate someone from having to always ask what type of car you have.

lets also keep the bickering and fighting to a minimum. where supposed to be a community, and yea were all gunna have our difference's. if someone state's an opinion, don't attack them for what they think. if you disagree with them, do it in a very ordered, logical, civilized way. none of this i think your stupid and immature, and he thinks your an ass. this gets out of hand to quick most of the time. you want to insult each other do it in the private messages, not on a public forum.

if you think someones full of shit don't just say they are and then do nothing. be polite about calling them on the mis-information and then prove that they were wrong with facts. if you were wrong be man enough to come out and say that it was your bad and you stand corrected.

also please stay to the respective forums you are in. if your part of the e/t/l forum don't go to the honda forum just to start shit, bad mouth, etc. same goes for people coming into the e/t/l forum, don't come in here lookin to start shit, bad mouth another member, etc.

AND PLEASE RESPECT THE SENIOR, MORE KNOWLEDGABLE MEMBERS ON THIS SITE. THEY ARE OUR BEST RESOURCE HERE.

the search button is a big concern as well. do something to it so that people can't miss it and have no excuse for not using it. but please search. i know we are all guilty of not searching atleast once in the time we've been on this forum. but try to make it a habit to search before asking.

thats all for right now if i think of more i'll add it. and remember this is just my personal opinion not an attack on anyone.

~joel

Just going to add my thoughts here, since my name was mentioned a couple times and I'm pretty sure I fall into the "senior member" group (the hairline gives it away :D)

I understand that not everyone has as a badass grip on the english language, like I do. :D And I'm fine with that. I screw up too. I often transpose two letters, forget the damn ' in can't, I can't get through a single sentence without capitalizing the first TWO letters of the word, etc. I fat-finger the damn keyboard all the time... The key is to proof-read. It takes ten seconds, and putting forth the effort will help all involved, but mostly yourself. I had to write my own review at work last night. I spent about 10 minutes writing it, and at least 40 minutes proof-reading, rewording, and revising. I often catch mistakes that Word doesn't even catch... Sometimes its just a better choice of wording to make things more clear and less confusing. It all adds up to a better chance of me getting more money, which means more mods. Very simple poeple.

Acronyms are perfectly acceptable, both here and in professional environments. Shit, at Intel the entire language used is acronyms. We all know what DSM means, and while some of the more obscure ones like ROWYCO (rock out with your cawk out) may not be understood, you can always just ask. They shorten commonly used phrases, making life much easier. The time you save can be put toward proof reading :D

I also understand that some poeple don't use english as their first language. My wife is from Brasil. Does her piss poor spelling and grammar bother me? Not in the least. You have to take it all in perspective. She is polite and respectful. I can handle things like "You said me we are going out tonight" instead of "you told me," etc. LMAO.

The point is that if you want help, you have to help us help you. If a post is a pain in the ass to read because there isn't a single piece of punctuation in it, where is the motivation for me or anyone else to offer assistance? I don't come here for advise, or to get answers to questions. Though on occassion I do learn something new of course. I come here because I enjoy helping other less experienced DSMers. When I have to WORK to read through what should be a simple post, it's no longer enjoyable. If people don't post like normal people instead of AOL pre-teens, it won't affect my life. My car will still run low 11s whether you say "This is a great forum," or "AuToMotiVE FoRuMs iS Teh RoxOr!!!11111" (obscure reference to the how to post video :D)

Mispell a word, misplace a comma, who cares. If the post shows some coherence and is written in a respectful tone of voice with a touch of humility you will never hear me complain. NABR is run by a bunch of harcore Nazis, but it runs smoothly. The rules are simple. Piss anyone off, and you get banned. Post about something you don't have experience with (and it IS obvious poeple), banned. Don't put your city and full real name in your profile? Banned. They are not going to cup your balls and worry about your feelings. And thats why that forum is 110% solid techinical info, and the vast majority of its membership is running at least 11s.

I don't want this site to be the same, I still dislike NABR in many ways. But we all have to work to reach some happy medium. I don't think banning is the right solution, unless the person is just outright disrespectful (and sadly we do see that here monthly, if not weekly). I don't see how second chances ever help in those situations. But a carefully, respectfully placed comment where appropriate is a good idea.

Well, my first post in a month, and it's a novel as usual. And for what its worth, I spent over 30 minutes proof-reading and rewording this post... I don't want to drag this topic out again after it's 2 week peaceful rest, just voice my opinion.

It's a well written reply and much needed!

Like I said before... I'm not going to ban anyone for bad english or grammar, I'm not like that! What will happen is if I see a post where they just dont use it at all, it will be delete and a pm will be sent to you. I'm not here to correct you on spelling and grammar so why should we have to deal with it?

Thanks Kevin!

This may be slightly off-topic for this thread, but it was posted in the IWC thread and received no response.

Since the "endgame" of this thread is for a better forum and the exclusive use of sub-forums, would it be possible to add a "tuning section". I know there are a couple of people in the process of learning to tune and some that will be in the coming months (I for one). It could be exclusive to SAFC & DSMLink and more technically based tuning (not "where should I set my MBC"). It might not get as much action as the other sub-forums, but I feel it would be a good addition.

Since the original inception of the subforums, I have felt that the non-performance stuff doesnt need its own forum, the main forums would suffice for that. I don't want 50 subforums, but I think replacing the non-performance forum with a tuning forum might be appropriate. It would be better if there were more "tuners" on this forum, but it might motivate more people to start tuning. Who knows. We can try it and see too, no one said we had to get that right the first time (or the tenth time).

Newbie and working my way up! 100% in English buddy!

Just to correct myself, these sentences are both fragments. Have no fear, for I am a newbie you can count on.

Check out my post on "Boost leak or ignition problem?". I'm still looking for answers and help! Thanks guys.

Just posted there. After reading your post above, I'm glad I did. Pretty funny, well done :)

well i think this is bullshit i think you are on a power trip, and trying to show that i think you are this little nerd who sits around on his computer all day trying to find ways to piss people off because you are a little bitch who cares if the grammer isnt all that great you know what they are trying say if you know anything about cars and i just think you are taking this moderator thing to far im 60 and have ran across people like you all the time and eventually son this shit will come back on you if you keep pissing these people off like this and you wont have a site because everyone leaves because of some computer nerd with a big knife in his picture.

well i think this is bullshit i think you are on a power trip, and trying to show that i think you are this little nerd who sits around on his computer all day trying to find ways to piss people off because you are a little bitch who cares if the grammer isnt all that great you know what they are trying say if you know anything about cars and i just think you are taking this moderator thing to far im 60 and have ran across people like you all the time and eventually son this shit will come back on you if you keep pissing these people off like this and you wont have a site because everyone leaves because of some computer nerd with a big knife in his picture.
:loser:

Its that 17 year old boost controller wizard again.

Edit: Go play in traffic. Baby Jesus hates you.

i jus wanna say 1 ting i agwee dat if u cant tipe u souldnot b here






God im a smart ass.
Good rule, you cant spell?...get out!

:loser:
Go play in traffic. Baby Jesus hates you.

I second that.

I think he expects to rise up as the leader of the Eclipse/Talon/Laser forum... With a name like hondab18culater. lol

Ehh... He didnt read the rules and he called me a bitch :lol2: I probably shouldnt have banned him but one less honduh guy around here wont hurt anything!

Why do people have to be such a dick about a simple little spelling and grammar rule. I mean its not even somewhat of a rule. Grammar, yes I like to enforce it, and if the spelling is bad I'll comment on it. But as far as certain punctuation and capitolization I could care less as long as the post is understandable!


EDIT: Lando... You were right about them being the same person :thumbsup:

Well i am one of the people that don't spell so good, so sorry if i miss spell. I have made it to 26ys old and making 50,000 a yr as an insurance agent, so i guess i'v done somthing right.

Now i am new, but that don't mean i don't no anything. When my 2nd gen blew up, I built the 1st gen up with my girl helping (cool uh?) and put the motor in our selfes. What do you know it started right up. I do see what you are saying and i don't really have a problem with it. I was just saying i do not spell good at all. So please don't hold that agenst me.

Your spelling is piss poor, but it's close enough, and the grammar isnt that bad, so I can read it and not get a headache. ;) Although my head is still pounding from last night, a little too much to drink perhaps. But thats another story...

And for the record, a 60 year old person would never write with no punctuation unless they completely missed out on an education. Schools were ten times more strict about grammar/spelling back in those days... But thanks for the good story...

ever hear of coloquial language, usin short forms is a manner speakin if everyone agrees that it means the same thing, and there fore excepted as correct, if youre gonna go on a power trip at least be right

ever hear of coloquial language, usin short forms is a manner speakin if everyone agrees that it means the same thing, and there fore excepted as correct, if youre gonna go on a power trip at least be right
Seriously, shut the fuck up. I hope Kevin gives you the same bullshit-themed response when something of yours breaks.

If you want to look stupid, go right ahead, but don't expect an easy to interpret, well thought out, to the point answer when you can't even take the time to proofread at the level of a third-grader.

Ignorance and laziness are spreading like wildfire nowadays thanks to a lax public school system, 5000000000 forms of "slang", and general ineptitute.

I'm not trying to be a jackass or any thing, but i think I have seen you (Jake) type like STFU and stuff. Wouldnt that be a good example of what you are talking about not wanting people doing???? What the hell does that mean any ways??? lol just wondering.To answer you question, it means Shut The Fuck Up. I've started a thread for all the off topic stuff that's in this thread. You can find it here
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=431350
I hate to say it but a lot of the stuff you guys have been posting on hasn't been related to what the thread was started for. In my opinion the whole grammer/spelling rule is more than just something for this forum, it's something that you should take personal pride in. I can't stand to post something where I'm not clear or my grammer, and spelling is horrible. The easier it is to read your posts, and the more information you include, helps you later because you won't have to clarify anything or as much as you would have if your message had not been straight to the point. "A stitch in time, saves nine." The grammer thing isn't just for the readers it's for you too. I'm pretty sure that no one here likes to repeat themselves over and over again. I hate it. Other than that the only thing that I have is that I think we should help the newbs out and give them a grace period to figure out what's going on but that's something I posted in the other thread.

Can I hug you?

That was great.