01: Australian GP: My Impressions
ales
03-02-2002, 11:57 PM
Nice. Weird, but nice. Here are my impressions (as short as possible)
Schumi - there should be another league for him. Once on his own, no one ever saw him again except the backmarkers.
JPM - nice drive.
Kimi - soooooo gutless!!! I mean, yes, a podium is good and all, but after the second pace car he was quite a bit faster than Montoya, and still made no attempts to pass. He set the fastest lap of the race, so I presume there was more potential. Oh well...
Eddie Irvine - bwah! :D Got a lucky 4th, 3 laps behind Kimi, and 1 lap in front of everyone else.
Webber - I'm really happy for him. And for Minardi. 2 points is just great. Looking at Stoddart and Webber at their home circuit. Probably happiest ppl in Australia
Ferrari - 38th podiuym finish for Ferrari in a row!!! And that one is with the last year's car. Just another planet.
Coulthard - bwaaahahaahaa!!! That was about his mistake *before* the second restart.
Toyota - congratulations, but don't get used to that. Just lucked out to get a point.
Start of the GP - probably should have red-flagged that one. It wasnt as much fun as could have been with more cars on the track. I think both Ralf and Rubens were at fault. Rubens made TWO defensive moves, Ralf just didn't pay enough attention.
Weather - quite unpredicatble.
Circuit - LOL :lol2: @ the warmup session. What the hell did they paint those kerbs with??? :) Water colour? Funny seeing white, blue andgreen splattered over cars! LOL!
F2002 - b r i n g i t o n ! ! !
Feel free to add your comments.
Alex
Schumi - there should be another league for him. Once on his own, no one ever saw him again except the backmarkers.
JPM - nice drive.
Kimi - soooooo gutless!!! I mean, yes, a podium is good and all, but after the second pace car he was quite a bit faster than Montoya, and still made no attempts to pass. He set the fastest lap of the race, so I presume there was more potential. Oh well...
Eddie Irvine - bwah! :D Got a lucky 4th, 3 laps behind Kimi, and 1 lap in front of everyone else.
Webber - I'm really happy for him. And for Minardi. 2 points is just great. Looking at Stoddart and Webber at their home circuit. Probably happiest ppl in Australia
Ferrari - 38th podiuym finish for Ferrari in a row!!! And that one is with the last year's car. Just another planet.
Coulthard - bwaaahahaahaa!!! That was about his mistake *before* the second restart.
Toyota - congratulations, but don't get used to that. Just lucked out to get a point.
Start of the GP - probably should have red-flagged that one. It wasnt as much fun as could have been with more cars on the track. I think both Ralf and Rubens were at fault. Rubens made TWO defensive moves, Ralf just didn't pay enough attention.
Weather - quite unpredicatble.
Circuit - LOL :lol2: @ the warmup session. What the hell did they paint those kerbs with??? :) Water colour? Funny seeing white, blue andgreen splattered over cars! LOL!
F2002 - b r i n g i t o n ! ! !
Feel free to add your comments.
Alex
taranaki
03-03-2002, 01:58 AM
I'll wait to see whether Ralf had a tech.problem before putting blame on anyone.....a lot of the fall-out from that collision was due to poor driving by the back markers.There would have been a fair bit of luck involved for schu to get out of that shambles unscathed,but luck alone?No,the guy drove his way out of trouble.Damn he's good.
the finish....meaningless with such a small field of finishers.For Minardi to be in the points,I'm THRILLED for the Aussie,but it seems to be a cameo of the Olympic speed skating gold,where the Aussie won by not falling over.The Minardi managed to avoid the first cornershambles by virtue of beingf so slow off the grid that it was all played out before he got there.
I didn't expect Toyota to point in their first race,but again,the result was badly skewed by the start incident.
coulthard....missed it...where and how did he stuff it up?
and the green paint......I think it's just a water based colouring put on the bare patches of grass to make it look nice for the cameras....:p
BTW,Schu may be a mile ahead of his competitors,but he couldn't do it without the backing of Ferrari.Can you imagine him winning in a Jaguar?
the finish....meaningless with such a small field of finishers.For Minardi to be in the points,I'm THRILLED for the Aussie,but it seems to be a cameo of the Olympic speed skating gold,where the Aussie won by not falling over.The Minardi managed to avoid the first cornershambles by virtue of beingf so slow off the grid that it was all played out before he got there.
I didn't expect Toyota to point in their first race,but again,the result was badly skewed by the start incident.
coulthard....missed it...where and how did he stuff it up?
and the green paint......I think it's just a water based colouring put on the bare patches of grass to make it look nice for the cameras....:p
BTW,Schu may be a mile ahead of his competitors,but he couldn't do it without the backing of Ferrari.Can you imagine him winning in a Jaguar?
ales
03-03-2002, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by taranaki
the finish....meaningless with such a small field of finishers.For Minardi to be in the points,I'm THRILLED for the Aussie,but it seems to be a cameo of the Olympic speed skating gold,where the Aussie won by not falling over.
Very well put. Still doesnät make it any less significant!
Originally posted by taranaki
coulthard....missed it...where and how did he stuff it up?
Remember Trulli spin and hit the wall while in second? (That was when he was under huge pressure from Michael) That caused the second safety car period. So as the safety car was pulling in, in the last chicane (before the pit entrance) DC outbraked himself (he was leading, remember? And they still weren't under full power at that time). Anyway, he went wide across the grass and lost 4 or 5 places :p :silly: Later he made some other mistakes (at least two off-tracks) and probably picked up some mechanical problem, had to come into the pits, but still retired.
Originally posted by taranaki
BTW,Schu may be a mile ahead of his competitors,but he couldn't do it without the backing of Ferrari.Can you imagine him winning in a Jaguar?
Can you imagine Ferrari winning without Schumi? :p Remember what Ferrari was in '96? Pretty much the same Jaguar is now. Michael / Todt / Brawn really managed to raise the team to the level that we have been witnessing for the last few years. I thinik that given 2-3 years Schumi could push Jaguar to the level of the winning team. But why bother? :P :D
Edit: DC and McLaren blame the mistakes on gerabox problems. At first it put itself in neutral, and eventually jammed in 6th.
Edit2: Remember both arrows cars stalling on the grid? I see it as ironic justice for treating Jos Verstappen like they did. Both on the part of Tom Walkinshaw *and* Frentzen (surely, he knows what it feels like to be let go from an F1 team after bein fired from Jordan. Then why did he do the same to Jos?). Thumbs down to Arrows. boooo!!!! :p
the finish....meaningless with such a small field of finishers.For Minardi to be in the points,I'm THRILLED for the Aussie,but it seems to be a cameo of the Olympic speed skating gold,where the Aussie won by not falling over.
Very well put. Still doesnät make it any less significant!
Originally posted by taranaki
coulthard....missed it...where and how did he stuff it up?
Remember Trulli spin and hit the wall while in second? (That was when he was under huge pressure from Michael) That caused the second safety car period. So as the safety car was pulling in, in the last chicane (before the pit entrance) DC outbraked himself (he was leading, remember? And they still weren't under full power at that time). Anyway, he went wide across the grass and lost 4 or 5 places :p :silly: Later he made some other mistakes (at least two off-tracks) and probably picked up some mechanical problem, had to come into the pits, but still retired.
Originally posted by taranaki
BTW,Schu may be a mile ahead of his competitors,but he couldn't do it without the backing of Ferrari.Can you imagine him winning in a Jaguar?
Can you imagine Ferrari winning without Schumi? :p Remember what Ferrari was in '96? Pretty much the same Jaguar is now. Michael / Todt / Brawn really managed to raise the team to the level that we have been witnessing for the last few years. I thinik that given 2-3 years Schumi could push Jaguar to the level of the winning team. But why bother? :P :D
Edit: DC and McLaren blame the mistakes on gerabox problems. At first it put itself in neutral, and eventually jammed in 6th.
Edit2: Remember both arrows cars stalling on the grid? I see it as ironic justice for treating Jos Verstappen like they did. Both on the part of Tom Walkinshaw *and* Frentzen (surely, he knows what it feels like to be let go from an F1 team after bein fired from Jordan. Then why did he do the same to Jos?). Thumbs down to Arrows. boooo!!!! :p
taranaki
03-03-2002, 03:48 AM
Remember Trulli spin and hit the wall while in second? (That was when he was under huge pressure from Michael) That caused the second safety car period. So as the safety car was pulling in, in the last chicane (before the pit entrance) DC outbraked himself (he was leading, remember? And they still weren't under full power at that time). Anyway, he went wide across the grass and lost 4 or 5 places Later he made some other mistakes (at least two off-tracks) and probably picked up some mechanical problem, had to come into the pits, but still retired.
gave up on the middle of the race once schu was in front..:( had kids under my feet demanding attention.....:(:(:(...missed this bit!
Can you imagine Ferrari winning without Schumi? Remember what Ferrari was in '96? Pretty much the same Jaguar is now. Michael / Todt / Brawn really managed to raise the team to the level that we have been witnessing for the last few years. I thinik that given 2-3 years Schumi could push Jaguar to the level of the winning team. But why bother? :P
Seems to me that Ferrari have got their act together at about thje same time as Schu....do you think that Barrichello could do better with another team?
Edit2: Remember both arrows cars stalling on the grid? I see it as ironic justice for treating Jos Verstappen like they did. Both on the part of Tom Walkinshaw *and* Frentzen (surely, he knows what it feels like to be let go from an F1 team after bein fired from Jordan. Then why did he do the same to Jos?). Thumbs down to Arrows. boooo!!!!
I was surprised that they even tried to rejoin the race.Surely they must have known that they were in breach of the rules?As to Frentzen...would
you turn down the chance of a drive in the most popular racing series in the world?The fact that Jos was made scapegoat for the team's problems stinks but if I was offered the chance to jump into his shoes, I'd be on the plane before the screensaver kicked in!
gave up on the middle of the race once schu was in front..:( had kids under my feet demanding attention.....:(:(:(...missed this bit!
Can you imagine Ferrari winning without Schumi? Remember what Ferrari was in '96? Pretty much the same Jaguar is now. Michael / Todt / Brawn really managed to raise the team to the level that we have been witnessing for the last few years. I thinik that given 2-3 years Schumi could push Jaguar to the level of the winning team. But why bother? :P
Seems to me that Ferrari have got their act together at about thje same time as Schu....do you think that Barrichello could do better with another team?
Edit2: Remember both arrows cars stalling on the grid? I see it as ironic justice for treating Jos Verstappen like they did. Both on the part of Tom Walkinshaw *and* Frentzen (surely, he knows what it feels like to be let go from an F1 team after bein fired from Jordan. Then why did he do the same to Jos?). Thumbs down to Arrows. boooo!!!!
I was surprised that they even tried to rejoin the race.Surely they must have known that they were in breach of the rules?As to Frentzen...would
you turn down the chance of a drive in the most popular racing series in the world?The fact that Jos was made scapegoat for the team's problems stinks but if I was offered the chance to jump into his shoes, I'd be on the plane before the screensaver kicked in!
crayzayjay
03-03-2002, 08:55 PM
It certainly was an interesting GP to watch.
Schumi - outstanding, made it look so easy
JPM - impressive, but overtaking manoeuvre on Michael wasnt all that, as the commentator seemed to think as he was creaming himself :D
Raikkonen - gutless indeed
Irvine - lucky to finish so high up but you cant take that finish away from him, still had to drive that sh*tty car to the end of the race
Webber & Minardi - great drive!
Coulthard - very unlucky, the spins were due to the gearbox stuffing up
as for the Ralf & Rubens collision, i think they were both to blame also. Ralf's awesome start got him a little excited but Rubinho did move around a little and broke a little too early it seems.
As for this:
Edit2: Remember both arrows cars stalling on the grid? I see it as ironic justice for treating Jos Verstappen like they did. Both on the part of Tom Walkinshaw *and* Frentzen (surely, he knows what it feels like to be let go from an F1 team after bein fired from Jordan. Then why did he do the same to Jos?). Thumbs down to Arrows. boooo!!!!
Beautifully said. Jos the Boss should still be in F1. No doubt about it. Frentzen has had very good cars and never impressed me. Weak driver
cheers,
jay
Schumi - outstanding, made it look so easy
JPM - impressive, but overtaking manoeuvre on Michael wasnt all that, as the commentator seemed to think as he was creaming himself :D
Raikkonen - gutless indeed
Irvine - lucky to finish so high up but you cant take that finish away from him, still had to drive that sh*tty car to the end of the race
Webber & Minardi - great drive!
Coulthard - very unlucky, the spins were due to the gearbox stuffing up
as for the Ralf & Rubens collision, i think they were both to blame also. Ralf's awesome start got him a little excited but Rubinho did move around a little and broke a little too early it seems.
As for this:
Edit2: Remember both arrows cars stalling on the grid? I see it as ironic justice for treating Jos Verstappen like they did. Both on the part of Tom Walkinshaw *and* Frentzen (surely, he knows what it feels like to be let go from an F1 team after bein fired from Jordan. Then why did he do the same to Jos?). Thumbs down to Arrows. boooo!!!!
Beautifully said. Jos the Boss should still be in F1. No doubt about it. Frentzen has had very good cars and never impressed me. Weak driver
cheers,
jay
NSX
03-07-2002, 09:21 AM
i think mclaren and bmw must have felt pretty bad after ferrari used their old car to beat them
sad day for the BAR team
sad day for the BAR team
taranaki
03-09-2002, 04:16 AM
Originally posted by NSX
sad day for the BAR team
sad for Villeneuve, sure, but the team will be very happy to see Panis in the points so early in the season....the result may have been skewed by the low finsh numbers,but hey.....4th place means points anyway.Panis will be happy with it.
sad day for the BAR team
sad for Villeneuve, sure, but the team will be very happy to see Panis in the points so early in the season....the result may have been skewed by the low finsh numbers,but hey.....4th place means points anyway.Panis will be happy with it.
ales
03-09-2002, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by taranaki
sad for Villeneuve, sure, but the team will be very happy to see Panis in the points so early in the season....the result may have been skewed by the low finsh numbers,but hey.....4th place means points anyway.Panis will be happy with it.
What the hell are you talking about???
sad for Villeneuve, sure, but the team will be very happy to see Panis in the points so early in the season....the result may have been skewed by the low finsh numbers,but hey.....4th place means points anyway.Panis will be happy with it.
What the hell are you talking about???
taranaki
03-09-2002, 06:25 AM
oops!:o :o :o :o :o
stuffed up big time here....was not sure about what the bar reference meant...so I did a google search for'british american racing formula one australia'
and got this site...
http://dbs.galeforcef1.com/photolib.asp?f=all&p=70
....AND FAILED TO NOTICE THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT RACE,BUT THE WRONG YEAR.............
Please feel free to call me an idiot:bloated: :bloated: :bloated:
btw...what did happen to BAR?:D
stuffed up big time here....was not sure about what the bar reference meant...so I did a google search for'british american racing formula one australia'
and got this site...
http://dbs.galeforcef1.com/photolib.asp?f=all&p=70
....AND FAILED TO NOTICE THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT RACE,BUT THE WRONG YEAR.............
Please feel free to call me an idiot:bloated: :bloated: :bloated:
btw...what did happen to BAR?:D
ales
03-09-2002, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by taranaki
btw...what did happen to BAR?:D
Panis - out in the forst corner,
JV 0 out later in the race (was it mechanical failue that sent him into the wall? Something like that...)
P.S. Do you think that Invercargill can't live without the car? :) Is it a 500 Fiat? If so, why is the engine at the front??? Got more info? (PM me)
btw...what did happen to BAR?:D
Panis - out in the forst corner,
JV 0 out later in the race (was it mechanical failue that sent him into the wall? Something like that...)
P.S. Do you think that Invercargill can't live without the car? :) Is it a 500 Fiat? If so, why is the engine at the front??? Got more info? (PM me)
taranaki
03-09-2002, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by ales
Panis - out in the forst corner,
JV 0 out later in the race (was it mechanical failue that sent him into the wall? Something like that...)
P.S. Do you think that Invercargill can't live without the car? :) Is it a 500 Fiat? Got more info?
it's a film quote:D
http://www.geocities.com/dagsyfm/porkpie.htm
Panis - out in the forst corner,
JV 0 out later in the race (was it mechanical failue that sent him into the wall? Something like that...)
P.S. Do you think that Invercargill can't live without the car? :) Is it a 500 Fiat? Got more info?
it's a film quote:D
http://www.geocities.com/dagsyfm/porkpie.htm
tazdev
03-09-2002, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by ales
P.S. Do you think that Invercargill can't live without the car? :) Is it a 500 Fiat? If so, why is the engine at the front??? Got more info? (PM me)
that would be a mini.
SMASH PALACE was better
:flipa:
P.S. Do you think that Invercargill can't live without the car? :) Is it a 500 Fiat? If so, why is the engine at the front??? Got more info? (PM me)
that would be a mini.
SMASH PALACE was better
:flipa:
crayzayjay
03-09-2002, 09:28 AM
JV's rear wing desintegrated at high speed AGAIN. I remember this happening at Australian GP last year or the year before, it happened in the same place on the track... it shows absolutely appalling standards of engineering in the BAR team if you ask me. Jacques is way too skilled to be racing for such an inept team.
NSX
03-11-2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
Jacques is way too skilled to be racing for such an inept team.
thats what i think
as much as i like Honda, i think BAR chassis is really screwing the whole team over
who makes the chassis/design of the car for BAR?
it's not the engine's fault, Jordan is doing alright
Jacques is way too skilled to be racing for such an inept team.
thats what i think
as much as i like Honda, i think BAR chassis is really screwing the whole team over
who makes the chassis/design of the car for BAR?
it's not the engine's fault, Jordan is doing alright
crayzayjay
03-11-2002, 03:46 PM
OK its not the engine's fault, but then the engine isnt exactly up there either, Honda arent quite delivering as they should. the package as a whole is average, though the chassis is getting better and the addition of David Richards to the team is promising.
cheers,
jay
cheers,
jay
b16a2si
03-13-2002, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
OK its not the engine's fault, but then the engine isnt exactly up there either, Honda arent quite delivering as they should. the package as a whole is average, though the chassis is getting better and the addition of David Richards to the team is promising.
cheers,
jay
I know a person who works for Honda R&D (Japan) and he does some work with Jordan and BAR. He told me that the this years engine won't be at its potential until summer time.:(
OK its not the engine's fault, but then the engine isnt exactly up there either, Honda arent quite delivering as they should. the package as a whole is average, though the chassis is getting better and the addition of David Richards to the team is promising.
cheers,
jay
I know a person who works for Honda R&D (Japan) and he does some work with Jordan and BAR. He told me that the this years engine won't be at its potential until summer time.:(
crayzayjay
03-13-2002, 10:17 PM
Thats just not good enough for a company like Honda who pride themselves on engineering excellence, especially their engines... they ought to take a leaf out of BMW's book
b16a2si
03-14-2002, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by crayzayjay
Thats just not good enough for a company like Honda who pride themselves on engineering excellence, especially their engines... they ought to take a leaf out of BMW's book
You have to understand that Honda had been out of competition for a couple of years. As competitive as F1 is, someone who has been in the competition for a lot longer without intervals have advantages. After this year, Honda should be leaving CART and should focus on F1 as the days of glory back in early 90's, just you wait.:coolguy:
Thats just not good enough for a company like Honda who pride themselves on engineering excellence, especially their engines... they ought to take a leaf out of BMW's book
You have to understand that Honda had been out of competition for a couple of years. As competitive as F1 is, someone who has been in the competition for a lot longer without intervals have advantages. After this year, Honda should be leaving CART and should focus on F1 as the days of glory back in early 90's, just you wait.:coolguy:
crayzayjay
03-14-2002, 08:15 PM
Hmmmm... Honda's current stint in F1 is longer than BMW's is it not? All i'm saying is they could do a lot better
Parma arent doing so great either :D j/k
cheers,
jay
Parma arent doing so great either :D j/k
cheers,
jay
b16a2si
03-15-2002, 09:29 PM
Sorry, I guess I should have said Ferrari.:)
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