Mustang vs Skyline round II

Just to let you guys know that a Mustang finished second behind a F40 in the Virginia Hill climb, only losing to the Ferrari by, get this .8sec.

1. Amir Rosenbaum, 3.25.371 F40
2. Guy Cunningham, 3.26.082 Mustang
3. Dennis Chiodo, 3.32.063 Viper ACR
4. Ori Rosenbaum, 3.32.348 Viper
5. David Wilson, 3.33.441 F355

If I remember corrctly there was a skyline there, but it didn't do so well. Motorex can clarify.

Respect the Stang, if not fear the Stang!:D

Motorex, just got there GTR into the 10's with a 150 direct port N2O shot, not bad. Blew a 2530 as well. That Sean really knows how to rip through those gears. Once you get to a point the front wheel drive of the Skyline is worthless in the 1/4, it basically becomes dead weight, that is why the GTR is a much better road course car.

Okay, lemme see if I can get this straight...

The original thread was Skyline vs Mustang, general comparison. It quickly digressed into 1/4 mile time vs. cost. I think it's only fair to broaden the discussion a little bit. First, there's the big difference between the two cars' strengths. I think I can safely say that Mustangs, regardless of age, are more inclined to becoming dragsters. And GT-Rs, being well-balanced cars, are more suited to autocross. Let's be honest, the front driveshaft and HICAS are worthless on a pure drag car, so a serious tuner would rip them off in an instant. You don't see this often, b/c it defeats the whole point of the GT-R. Kinda like fitting a heavy multi-link suspension and 4-wheel steering to a Mustang Boss. In summary, the Mustang has less trouble burning up 1/4 miles, the Skyline is equally at home tearing around corners.

Granted, stock Mustangs are nothing to fear, and stock GT-Rs (R32s in particular) make big, clumsy-looking turns. It's going to cost a decent sum to whip either into shape. In the US, a 12-second Mustang is quite feasable. In Japan, a ~1 G GT-R is equally achieveable. In contrast, getting a Boss 302 in Japan is probably very expensive, as are GT-Rs in the States. Plus, they have to be extensively modified to get them to pass emissions and run on our crappy pump gas. Europe seems to be somewhere in the middle with availability and pricing for both cars. Someone confirm this, I don't really know.

This ought to open the discussion up a bit, even if it's only to dispute everything I've said. Think about one thing, however: Ford reliability versus Nissan reliability. Better to have to fix a Skyline in the U.S. than a Mustang in Japan, since you'll be fixing the Mustang every weekend.

Yaeh,

Thats why I have 140,000 miles on my mustangs odometer without one breakdown, uh?

Your post really does not say that much, other than Mustang breakdown a lot, which is completly false. Other than that I agree with what you say.

As far as comparison II, that was basically a road course, uh?:p

Oh, and you can put a Mustang in te 12's for 8k, that is car and mods.

I want to go to Europe and see what my car can do against the likes of the skylines, evos, and subaros. I have the power, now I just need to set up the suspensionup an tune it. Like I said before, if I get my butt kick, I'll let you know. I know the first time I am out at the track I am going to get smoked, since I am just starting to set up te car for road racing, but once I have that done and get some seat time in we will see.

I like Skylines, but some of these kids on thee boards need to be educated that other cars can be made to beat them.

Originally posted by Holyterror
, and stock GT-Rs (R32s in particular) make big, clumsy-looking turns. It's going to cost a decent sum to whip either into shape. In the US, a 12-second Mustang is quite feasable. In Japan, a ~1 G GT-R is equally achieveable.

Ever seen the Best Motering video on the R34? Those sure an't clumsy looking turns at all. As to the ~1g GTR, I'm assuming you mean 1g while cornering, canman of SDU owns an R34 GTR V-SpecII, himself and a few other SDU members took a ride in his new car and reported 1.10 Gs off the stack while cornering, and not sliding at all.

Oh the whole I agree with you though in that both cars have their strong points, I just thought you were selling the GTR a bit short :D :D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA

I like Skylines, but some of these kids on thee boards need to be educated that other cars can be made to beat them.

Again , this is nonsense , there's no point in saying "some cars can be made to beat some car " Of course with money you can make a civic beat a corvette , but buying a corvette makes more sense because it can be modded way further , and it costs less...

So, its more cost effective to buy a vet, where do you live Europe?:p If you live in England, lets race. :D

If you want to talk smack and you know nothing about cars (I'll use an assimile, like Fast and the Furious) and you write crap on these boards, these kids will take it as gospel. I'll use another one, Like its more cost effective to buy a vet for the "GO FAST CRACK PIPE" than it is a civic?

Hehehehehehe, somehow or other, threads about car comparison can tickle my funny bone no end!;)
Cars within the same performance standard are difficult to objectively compare. How are we going to conclude that a 'Stang is obviously better than a GTR or vice versa? The 'Stang may rip the GTR apart in the quarter and the GTR may tear the 'Stang arse around the track. Take them both on the highways and nobody knows what's gonna happen. In the rain, again, nobody would know though I am quite certain the GTR would perform better in the rain.
To compare them properly, we have to take their respective prices in their country of origin. Set a ceiling in terms of cost of modifications, say, 10k USD for the 'Stang in the USA and X Yen in Japan. Bring both cars to Nurburgring and let them loose, around the track, on the drag strip, on the highways and country roads, come winter and summer. Drive them in town, through traffic for 3 months or so. Then I suppose we will know which is ARGUABLY the better car.
One thing I would take issue though, and that is on the ATTESSA's useability for drag purposes. I think it is useful as without it the rear wheel would spin as hell before the GTR launches. Two weeks ago at a drag event, I did about 10 passes, and take this, I am not exagerating, launching at 7000rpm at 1.5 bar of boost, my GTR did not spin at all!!! Try that on a Supra and I would eat your tyres if it did spin!:D Without the ATTESSA, the GTR would spin like crazy during those kind of launches.
At the end of the day, it is the all round performance of the car which counts. You can mod a Civic to fly but can it be driven everyday? Will it be reliable? There is this guy in S'pore with a 800hp GTR and damn, he has to drive in 3rd gear on the highways at 110kph (about 65mph)! I mean...shyte...what's the point? Ant there is this guy with a Diablo around town, he takes 5 min to side park! And he don't go to the track being fearful of overheating! Again, what's the point?
The point is, the GTR is an awesome car with awesome performance and REASONABLY comfortable and easy to drive around town up to 600hp mods. That one I know. Trust me.
As for the 'Stang, ask SkylineUsa. He should know. He drives one!:cool:
Just my 2 cents.
Peace.

Good post R33,

I'll meet you at Nurburgring.:D If your up for it, getting beat by a YANK TANK:p

You know I respect the Skyline, special yours, but truthfully I have No personnal experiance with the car, as of yet, but that will change in the near future. My true intent is to build the Stang to run with the Skylines, then sell her, so I can buy one. That should tell you which I would really like to see packed in my garage:)

Skyline is by far the better performance car coming from the factory.

You ran 10 1/4? What times did you get? 60ft, MPH trap, reaction, and total? If your dumping at 7000 and you have no slipping your 60ft should be the range of 1.40 or so. Thats a complete guess. I have been down to 1.71. I am thinking with your power you should be in the 10's. Am I close?

Drivability for the stang is very nice, the car is a little cold natured, and I should do a cam change, but I will have to wait til I get to England, since its always cold there :(

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
So, its more cost effective to buy a vet, where do you live Europe?:p If you live in England, lets race. :D

If you want to talk smack and you know nothing about cars (I'll use an assimile, like Fast and the Furious) and you write crap on these boards, these kids will take it as gospel. I'll use another one, Like its more cost effective to buy a vet for the "GO FAST CRACK PIPE" than it is a civic?

Ermm i'm not trying to be not polite here , but you're pushing me... Luckily enough for you i don't live in England... Anyway if you want a meet at nurburring PM me... We'll see who talks smack or knows nothing about cars... You really watched f&f so much ? You must be really good a quadrable clutching while upshifting... :rolleyes:

Race me at the Ring, Hell yeah!

Hi Sky, I am a novice so far as drag is concerned!:o Did 11.39 the other day at full 1.47 bar of boost, 7000 rpm clutch dumping, no ETC and the quickest shifting I could manage! Redline at 8500 rpm. Tyres were my normal day to day Dunlop SP9000 (absolutely stooooopid grip compared to Bridgy SO2!) and the car was "as is" (no stripping of any kind bar the hi-fi system). And oh ya...one bottle of HKS DHOB in the tank!
Peak speed was 197 kph.
Of course my target is the 10s. If my skill ain't gonna improve, I think I would need slicks and probably Holinger or the HKS seq to do that! Perhaps a tripple plate clutch too! On second thought, perhaps I should stick to track racing!:p
Hey, when are you gonna be in the UK? Would love to hear the tale of you taking on the Brits in their GTRs!

That is awesome, low 11s with those tires. I am very impressed, but your speed shows you have plenty of power, but of course we al ready knew that. You put some slicks on that beast you will go pretty deep into the 10's.

You have no stereo?

I have to get rid of my trailor park magnet Stang, and get a GTR.

I really do not plan on keeping the car once I get over to England, run it a couple of times, get my ass kicked by those GTRs and sell her.

Good posts guys. It is interesting to see so many different views. I'm from Oz and down here the biggest form of racing is the V8 Supercars. They are the Aussie muscle cars Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon. The allegance that these cars generate border son the fanatical. So much so that when a driver switches from driveing a Holden to driving a Ford he becomes major headline news an gets insulated by all former fans...

Back to the point though. Watching someone muscle a large car around a racetrack deserves respect no matter what type of car it is. I love the sound of a V8 at full roar. And I also appreciate the sound of the 6 cylinder Nissans both very different in tone.

It's the age old tradition of comparing one to another and some people like one but not the other and vice versa. Most of it is based on personal preference no matter what the specs on paper say.

You have to respect the Japanese for taking small capacity engines and turning them into huge horsepower monsters. They just seem to excel at this.

:bandit:

Thanks guys......I have thoroughly enjoyed following this thread since february. Its interesting to read all the different views and positives for each the stang vs skyline....:silly2: Each obviously have their positives and negatives.....Big up to the Skyline though!

Here is an old article I cam across a while ago. Getting back on subject.
Just a little food for thought.
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Grip-Box.pdf



Tom,

I apologize for my post to you. I can tell by your cars that you are an enthused just like me and I was out of line by my comments.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Here is an old article I cam across a while ago. Getting back on subject.
Just a little food for thought.
http://www.maximummotorsports.com/Grip-Box.pdf


Wow, I am quite impressed, an LX too:eek: :eek:

I think you should get on a track and get some video of you and a GTR SkyUSA, it would be a good watch :D

CA31_JR: I couldn't have said it better, I usualy break down and say somthing along those lines whenever a Domestic muscle vs. Japanese Tech discussion comes along, but you said it so eloquently all i've got to say is Ditto :D

LX's are lighter, so it should do better than a GT. And that is a 180,000mile LX toyou mister:D

Enlightening article, Sky. Not bad performance from a '90 LX. Late 80s GTs and LXs are popular around here, and there are plenty of well-tuned examples. Invariably, though, they go in straight lines only. This does seem kind of funny considering that there are about as many straight roads around here as flat roads (maybe 5 in the entire city).

The Maximum Motorsports LX's numbers blew my mind. They only spent 8k on that car?! Very nice. It'd be quite a challenge to do that with a Skyline. You may have won me over on the cost-effectiveness debate. Of course, as stated earlier, everyone wants something different from their car. But I have to admit, the Mustang is looking more and more tempting.

I'm going to keep waiting for the GT-R, personally. But I might go a little easier on the V8 boys now.

"And knowing is half the battle":D G.I. Joe

I will be installing this system, plus some of their newer stuff when I get to England, but I will be using Coilovers with Koni Yellows. It should be good for over a G on the pad with some R1 tires, and 74.x mph for the slalom. I know I still will be spanked by the GTRs, it should be fun. I will also be spraying on the straight aways.

Just to give you guys an idea of how much money I will have in my car when I am done, it should be right around $12,000 out of my pocket. So, with the suspension mods, and spraying a 75shot it should be good for a high 10s in the 1/4, and over a 1G on the pad. Not bad for a two ton brick:)


Gon,
Yeah, I think I will be able to get some pics, or movies of my car along side some GTRs.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Just to give you guys an idea of how much money I will have in my car when I am done, it should be right around $12,000 out of my pocket. So, with the suspension mods, and spraying a 75shot it should be good for a high 10s in the 1/4, and over a 1G on the pad.
Hmmm, similar numbers to my GT-R (in the States), only that I don't have nitrous and have spend less than $10k. ;)

sami,

What mods do you have, in Sport Compact they had a R32 doing something like .93G, 1/4 in 12.9 if remember correctly.


How much do you have in your car? Are you saying you have less than 10k total?

Sky,when r u off to the UK? Can't wait to see the battle! Good luck.

Thanks R33,

Like I said before, it will be fun to try to keep up.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
What mods do you have, in Sport Compact they had a R32 doing something like .93G, 1/4 in 12.9 if remember correctly.
Stock suspension, for now. With right set of tires 1.1G shouldn't be a problem. To me, skidpad doesn't really tell much about handling though.
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
How much do you have in your car? Are you saying you have less than 10k total?
Less than $10k in mods, like new turbos etc. Did you mean you had $12k total including the car? I'll propably have that much in mods in the future, I still need to add stickier&wider tires into it and new brakes (Brembos most likely), but then again these cars are in a totally different class. :)

Yes,

12k including the car, and mods.

Totally different classes and price range:D

I forgot to add my car has Brembos already.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
I forgot to add my car has Brembos already.
F40 Brembos, the last time I checked those are $2500 alone. Anyone have more recent prices?

Brembo only makes one kind of brake system? They were on the car when I bought it, not sure if they are F40. They are pretty damn big.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Brembo only makes one kind of brake system? They were on the car when I bought it, not sure if they are F40. They are pretty damn big.
No, it's just that I want F40's and they are damn expensive.

Do you have 1/4 times? I was told of a Skyline in Dallas running high 13's. I can't remember who told me, but I am sure it was some Mustang guys that were at the track. I know you said you car was the only one in the Dallas area, so I figure it was you they were talking about.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Do you have 1/4 times? I was told of a Skyline in Dallas running high 13's. I can't remember who told me, but I am sure it was some Mustang guys that were at the track. I know you said you car was the only one in the Dallas area, so I figure it was you they were talking about.
Wasn't me and I don't know any other Skylines in Dallas area. If you hear more, please let me know! If there is another Skyline in Dallas I would like to meet the guy.

I'll keep an ear out for you.

Sami, may I ask you whether you have any particular reason for choosing the F40 brakes for your GTR? I think AP Racing should do the job well and perhaps cheaper too.

Originally posted by R33
Sami, may I ask you whether you have any particular reason for choosing the F40 brakes for your GTR? I think AP Racing should do the job well and perhaps cheaper too.
Those are the only ones I have been recommended. I've tried to ask around for a good, or actually a great, set of brakes but never been recommended anything else than F40's. I will consider any great performing brakes though.

Well Sami, FYI, I am using a set of AP Racing kit consisting of 14" grooved rotors and 6 pot calipers. They work great on my car despite all the power it has. AP offers 2 kind of calipers ie the racing calipers (more expensive - brass coloured) and high performance street and track calipers (black coloured with yellow "AP" writing which I am using). All in all, they are good and they are made with GTR in mind so there is no necessity to make or modify the bracket etc. By the way, AP Racing is now owned by Brembo....so quality is good. Perhaps you should consider this kit instead. Just a suggestion though....

Originally posted by R33
Well Sami, FYI, I am using a set of AP Racing kit consisting of 14" grooved rotors and 6 pot calipers. They work great on my car despite all the power it has. AP offers 2 kind of calipers ie the racing calipers (more expensive - brass coloured) and high performance street and track calipers (black coloured with yellow "AP" writing which I am using). All in all, they are good and they are made with GTR in mind so there is no necessity to make or modify the bracket etc. By the way, AP Racing is now owned by Brembo....so quality is good. Perhaps you should consider this kit instead. Just a suggestion though....
Where could I start looking? What about price, approximately? Which brakes, that's really a hard decision as hardly anyone talks about them. Power, power, that's all you hear... ;)

Originally posted by sami

Where could I start looking? What about price, approximately? Which brakes, that's really a hard decision as hardly anyone talks about them. Power, power, that's all you hear... ;)

So true, a friend of mine is starting to think about modding his car(wrx). He has a list that would put him in the 350HP range and yet his list didn't include a clutch, brakes, or suspension (I'd think if you were spending that amount of money on turbos and ICs and such, you would atleast throw in some shocks :rolleyes: )

Too many Mustangs around here still have drums in the rear. Nobody seems to realize that it's a bad thing to have a lot of go without adequate whoa. I would advise planning on brakes and suspension before beefing up the motor.

Yeah...that's correct and it's also frightening...I mean powerpowerpower with no or little improvement on suspension/braking etc!

Sami, the price of the whole kit is somewhere arount the equivalent of USD2500 (without the pads). You can start by visiting www.apracing.com.

Alcon also has a kit for GTR. If I am not mistaken, Endless also has a kit for GTR. Probably you can also visit Taka Kaira to see various kit for GTR.

Happy hunting.:)

Mustang vs. Skyline. Hmm.
Nissan has confirmed that during recent tests at the 12.9-mile Nürburgring circuit, the R34 has lapped quicker than the previous production car record set by the old Skyline GT-R.
- Taken from Top Gear Website review of the R34

(http://www.topgear.beeb.com/content/cars/cars/D0/D8/roadtests/01.html?qual_Id=1&newOrUsed=new&model_id=68334&man_id=D0)

Now, at Nuremburg, I'm sure the Skyline would eat the Mustang.

And in a 1/4 mile a Mustang would eat a Skyline.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
And in a 1/4 mile a Mustang would eat a Skyline.
Depends. If money is in the equation, and we are talking about price in US, then yes. Stock to stock, Skyline will win also on 1/4. But really, there is no reason to compare these two.

So yo are making this as a straight up comparison. A $85,000 car to a $25,000 car. Let me put that 60k into mods and see who wins.

If you own or like the skyine your are going to be biased. sami is right, you really can not compare the two, $4$ the Mustang will kill the Skyline:D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
So yo are making this as a straight up comparison. A $85,000 car to a $25,000 car. Let me put that 60k into mods and see who wins.
I already said about the money. Also, GT-R is a $45k car new, comparing manufacturer prices.

There really is a reason why Corvettes, Camaros and Stangs are cheap. Sit in one, then sit in one of the nicer mobiles, and you will start to know. Then go and drive them.

I just drove a C5 Vette yesterday, again, and IMO that thing is a bit overpriced. Sure you get performance and it looks good, but... the car itself is quite bad, handles bad, very restless and slobby, and is uncomfortable. Not the type of car I would buy.

sami, that post right after yours was for Chib.

Ok, the Skyline is better. I give. Uncle, Uncle. Damn it sami quit twisting my arm. I said you win:)

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
If you own or like the skyine your are going to be biased. sami is right, you really can not compare the two, $4$ the Mustang will kill the Skyline:D
I'm not biased, I could have bought just about anything with a reasonable price tag. R32 GT-R, still under $40k even here, with superb handling and easily modifiable engine was my type of car.

I'm not a person that likes drag racing so Mustang was something I never considered once I test drove it. Camaro, shitty handling, interior, feel. C5 the same. Porsche, too much money. Ferrari, too much money for too little performance. Supercar performance for reasonable price only left me with two choices, GT-R or NSX. NSX is not easy to modify so that was left out. I was left with Skyline GT-R. Legendary and a proven winner on race track, easily modifiable engine, what else was there to consider? :)

That's it is why I am leaving the dark side. sami otherwise referred to as "Solo," and R33 "Yoda," have shown me the errors of my way. I first must travel across the Atlantic Aqua Boundary to England(Dantuee). And receive my Jedi training. Then once I have completed my training I will be able to get my first land speeder(GTR). I will be bring the FORCE with me, being the RB26DETT. Oh yeah.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
That's it is why I am leaving the dark side. sami otherwise referred to as "Solo," and R33 "Yoda," have shown me the errors of my way. I first must travel across the Atlantic Aqua Boundary to England(Dantuee). And receive my Jedi training. Then once I have completed my training I will be able to get my first land speeder(GTR). I will be bring the FORCE with me, being the RB26DETT. Oh yeah.

ROFL! :hehehe: Thats some funny stuff Sky :D

Seriously though, good luck with all of it, and enjoy your GTR when you get it, I know you will:p

MAY THE "FAST" BE WITH YOU, SON...

Thank you, Yoda. I will try my best to conquer the dark side that rages in me. I know that if I do not I will be left behind in a cloud of Alderon dust particles.:p

I'm new here, but nobody has been able to touch my stang, import or domestic. I hit 237mph on the GPS (SCARY as hell even with my suspension and body kit, by the way.) Anybody know what the top speed they've gotten a skyline up to is? I built my car for 100 mph roll-ons against bikes, so I've got a little bit of top end power. What do I have to do to bring a euro spec skyline over to usa?

:eek7: I don't even know where to start...

Yes, I do. THIS THREAD IS DEAD! Please start a new thread or post to a current one. This one was over two years old.

As for the ridiculous content of the post, I won't even touch that.

thread necromancy aint cool.

especially if nothing is gained by it so




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