hard to start cold and missing
slreno1217
12-08-2004, 12:22 PM
have a 1996 blazer w in the serial.
just started this. but when the truck has sit in the cold for a day or so it is a bit*h to get started after it finally starts it runs rough and misses. after it warms up to running temp everything is fine like it never happend. also had a friend check the fuel pressure with gauge it was around 62 while running and about 62 when key was just on. didnt drop any pressure after it was off either. i also replaced the ignition control mod. and that wasnt it.
any ideas with this?
tune up was about 15 to 20,000 ago new wires cap filters and rotor button and plugs.
just started this. but when the truck has sit in the cold for a day or so it is a bit*h to get started after it finally starts it runs rough and misses. after it warms up to running temp everything is fine like it never happend. also had a friend check the fuel pressure with gauge it was around 62 while running and about 62 when key was just on. didnt drop any pressure after it was off either. i also replaced the ignition control mod. and that wasnt it.
any ideas with this?
tune up was about 15 to 20,000 ago new wires cap filters and rotor button and plugs.
JasonSpaeth
12-08-2004, 01:43 PM
This is exactly the problem I am having. Mine has 180K miles and had a full tune up 30K miles ago. Last night I installed a fuel filter...it did not help. This weekend I am going to install a new CPI injector/regulator unit. The only other possibility I can think of is the fuel pump.
One question I have for the experienced folks: Once I remove the plenum, if I don't see any washing from leaking gas, can I assume the CPI unit is good and not change it out? In other words, does the CPI have to be leaking to be defective/ worn out?
One question I have for the experienced folks: Once I remove the plenum, if I don't see any washing from leaking gas, can I assume the CPI unit is good and not change it out? In other words, does the CPI have to be leaking to be defective/ worn out?
Fractured1
12-08-2004, 04:31 PM
Have you scanned it for any codes...code 14 or 15 would be the ECT and if you get a 23 or 25 it could be your IAT sensor...both of these could be a culprit, but before jumping to a conclusion, test, test, test..
slreno1217
12-08-2004, 05:38 PM
Have you scanned it for any codes...code 14 or 15 would be the ECT and if you get a 23 or 25 it could be your IAT sensor...both of these could be a culprit, but before jumping to a conclusion, test, test, test..
just got back from auto zone no codes at all!
got me baffled.
just got back from auto zone no codes at all!
got me baffled.
Fractured1
12-08-2004, 05:46 PM
There is a way to test both of these sensors, relatively lenghty though, you will need a multimeter...let me know if you want the directions...
BlazerLT
12-09-2004, 02:51 AM
Have you changed the fuel filter lately?
slreno1217
12-10-2004, 11:59 AM
if you are serious i will try this but if i am getting good fuel pressure... how can the filter only cause a problem when its cold?
slreno1217
12-10-2004, 12:00 PM
fuel filter was replaced about 10,000 ago. at time of tune up
BlazerLT
12-10-2004, 07:09 PM
Have you had the truck scanned for trouble codes?
Mikado14
12-10-2004, 08:13 PM
This is exactly the problem I am having. Mine has 180K miles and had a full tune up 30K miles ago. Last night I installed a fuel filter...it did not help. This weekend I am going to install a new CPI injector/regulator unit. The only other possibility I can think of is the fuel pump.
One question I have for the experienced folks: Once I remove the plenum, if I don't see any washing from leaking gas, can I assume the CPI unit is good and not change it out? In other words, does the CPI have to be leaking to be defective/ worn out?
You may be having the same symptoms as the original poster who has a '96 which is not CPI. If you are changing a CPI unit, your vehicle must be a '95 or older vehicle.
To answer your question, yes, the CPI could have issues other than washing. Remember, all six injectors are a part of it and if the nozzles are leaking, that is a problem and the unit will need to be replaced since the individual injectors cannot.
Most times, the regulator will wash before the injectors go or the nut kit will leak.
Check for washing and get back.
One question I have for the experienced folks: Once I remove the plenum, if I don't see any washing from leaking gas, can I assume the CPI unit is good and not change it out? In other words, does the CPI have to be leaking to be defective/ worn out?
You may be having the same symptoms as the original poster who has a '96 which is not CPI. If you are changing a CPI unit, your vehicle must be a '95 or older vehicle.
To answer your question, yes, the CPI could have issues other than washing. Remember, all six injectors are a part of it and if the nozzles are leaking, that is a problem and the unit will need to be replaced since the individual injectors cannot.
Most times, the regulator will wash before the injectors go or the nut kit will leak.
Check for washing and get back.
BlazerLT
12-10-2004, 10:08 PM
In the CPI system there is actually only one injector and sit poppets valves set to open at a minimum pressure of 54-56psi.
Problems that occur are usually the poppets sticking closed rather than sticking open.
Problems that occur are usually the poppets sticking closed rather than sticking open.
Mikado14
12-11-2004, 12:31 AM
In the CPI system there is actually only one injector and sit poppets valves set to open at a minimum pressure of 54-56psi.
Problems that occur are usually the poppets sticking closed rather than sticking open.
I'll remember to tell the customer when he comes back in the shop from last June who had a drooling one in a '94 Jimmy that had a piece of crap stuck in it that it wasn't really drooling and washing #6 cylinder that it was really stuck closed and that the flooding was all a figment of the CPI's imagination.
Problems that occur are usually the poppets sticking closed rather than sticking open.
I'll remember to tell the customer when he comes back in the shop from last June who had a drooling one in a '94 Jimmy that had a piece of crap stuck in it that it wasn't really drooling and washing #6 cylinder that it was really stuck closed and that the flooding was all a figment of the CPI's imagination.
BlazerLT
12-11-2004, 01:39 AM
Did I say you were wrong?
I am just stating that in most cases they don't pop open at all so simmer down there.
I am just stating that in most cases they don't pop open at all so simmer down there.
slreno1217
12-11-2004, 08:16 AM
yes had it scanned at autozone... no codes what so ever.
slreno1217
12-11-2004, 01:54 PM
went out this morning to start it and go up town... hasnt been started in a few days, it was a royal pain to get started... ended up running battery down and had to jump it... finally got it started and it missed and sputter for a lot longer this time... also it is alot colder outside than it has been also...
one other thing... i noticed it i accelrate rather slowley it hits one spot in the rpm's and misses like crazy rite before it changes to second and 3rd gear... if i accelerate like half way while its doing this it stops missing and runs like a scalded dog... i just dont understand what its doing?
one other thing... i noticed it i accelrate rather slowley it hits one spot in the rpm's and misses like crazy rite before it changes to second and 3rd gear... if i accelerate like half way while its doing this it stops missing and runs like a scalded dog... i just dont understand what its doing?
BlazerLT
12-11-2004, 04:28 PM
I would check your cap and rotor again. They could be causing this.
Also, make sure your battery is performaing properly and have it fully charged.
Also, make sure your battery is performaing properly and have it fully charged.
Mikado14
12-11-2004, 04:48 PM
I would check your cap and rotor again. They could be causing this.
Also, make sure your battery is performaing properly and have it fully charged.
This is a red letter day, the second time I am agreeing with LT (just kidding). He's right, check the cap and rotor and perhaps the wire set. Your problem sounds like ignition and for the cost, it's worth it.
Also, make sure your battery is performaing properly and have it fully charged.
This is a red letter day, the second time I am agreeing with LT (just kidding). He's right, check the cap and rotor and perhaps the wire set. Your problem sounds like ignition and for the cost, it's worth it.
BlazerLT
12-11-2004, 04:56 PM
This is a red letter day, the second time I am agreeing with LT (just kidding). He's right, check the cap and rotor and perhaps the wire set. Your problem sounds like ignition and for the cost, it's worth it.
This is gettin creepy......
This is gettin creepy......
Fractured1
12-11-2004, 05:29 PM
Hey guys, just an question here...but he said when he tested the fuel pressure he was getting 62 psi both before starting and while running .It is my understanding that once the engine starts and vacuum is applied the pressure is to drop by 3 to 10 psi...could this be relating to any of these problems..
BlazerLT
12-11-2004, 05:46 PM
Might be.
If so, swaping in a new pressure regulator should fix it if that is the case.
If so, swaping in a new pressure regulator should fix it if that is the case.
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