Fallujah in pictures

Warning...GRAPHIC images

http://fallujahinpictures.com/

I don't necessarily think this is a good link to be posting on a car forum, but I believe that there are far too many people who accept this conflict without truly understanding what they are condoning.
This war, like ALL wars, is morally indefensible. What makes this one worse than most is the blatant lies and omissions that are fed to the public in order to curry support for this dirty little land grab.If you can't handle the reality and would rather just chant the mantra ,don't open the link.

I disagree that war is always morally indefensible.

If it weren't for the inaction, greed and incompetence of international organizations, none of this would have been necessary.













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I disagree that it is necessary.History has proven that the original argument for going to Iraq was a crock.All Bush has achieved is to open a can of worms that he can only control with genocide.

America should get the fuck out of other peoples' countries.This war,more than any in recent history, falls into the 'morally bankrupt' category.

There's been much written in the media comparing "Fallujah in Pictures" as a counterpoint to the "US Military Slide Show".

http://www.juancole.com/2004/12/blogging-fallujah-and-us-air-war.html

...He contrasts the US military's powerpoint slides of the fighting in Fallujah (linked to at Soldiers for Truth) with Fallujah in Pictures, a web site hosted by an anonymous individual in New York, which put up disturbing pictures from the fighting that were not printed in US newspapers or shown on US television, but which were widely seen in the rest of the world. Ricks interviews experts who universally conclude that the blogger's presentation trumped that of the US military...

Wow Taranaki, so you've come to realize that war is not pretty. Its funny how that site shows Iraqis getting help from americans but it does not explains so in the caption. Funny how all they want to show is death and destruction on the Military's behalf. Where are all the pics of the beheadings and tortures of innocent people? We all know that war is hell Taranaki, no need to remind us.

Where are all the pics of the beheadings and tortures of innocent people?

Nobody is defending those. Even people on Iraq's "side" are upset about those. However, we should all feel the same way about the atrocities the US military has performed, as well...

Also, would those beheadings and tortures have happened if the US hadn't invaded in the first place? Are those deaths actually on the US's hands?

I have a feeling Fallujah is going to go down in history as one of the great world disasters...

I disagree that it is necessary.History has proven that the original argument for going to Iraq was a crock.All Bush has achieved is to open a can of worms that he can only control with genocide.

America should get the fuck out of other peoples' countries.This war,more than any in recent history, falls into the 'morally bankrupt' category.

I was commenting on your blanket statement that war is morally indefensible. If you only mean the Iraqi war then I'll still argue that point, but I wholeheartedly disagree that all wars are.

We will get the fuck out when the government asks us to get the fuck out. The fucking fuck is fucked as the fucking fuckers fuck with the fuckedy duck. The millions fucking dieing in fucking Africa are more fucked but we fucking do not fucking care because on fucking Iraq is on the fucking radar of the fucking fuckers fucking around in the backfucking wash of the fucking world.













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We will get the fuck out when the government asks us to get the fuck out. The fucking fuck is fucked as the fucking fuckers fuck with the fuckedy duck. The millions fucking dieing in fucking Africa are more fucked but we fucking do not fucking care because on fucking Iraq is on the fucking radar of the fucking fuckers fucking around in the backfucking wash of the fucking world.
LOL, man are u on crack or what?

Nobody is defending those. Even people on Iraq's "side" are upset about those. However, we should all feel the same way about the atrocities the US military has performed, as well...

Also, would those beheadings and tortures have happened if the US hadn't invaded in the first place? Are those deaths actually on the US's hands?

I have a feeling Fallujah is going to go down in history as one of the great world disasters...



I agree. Its in God's hands now.

We all know that war is hell Taranaki, no need to remind us.

Clearly there is.Some of your atttitudes towards it disgust me.

As for



We will get the fuck out when the government asks us to get the fuck out.

Get real, Yogs.You can't expect anyone to take the wishes of a US installed government seriously.The 'government' of Iraq didn't invite you in,but you went in anyway[against the wishes of the UN],so don't pretend that 'we are doing what Iraq wants',because it's been shown to be a lie.

[against the wishes of the UN]Did you just use the UN to better prove your point! hahahahah.....breath....hahahaha! :cwm27:

Oh My, people actually get hurt in a war? Who would have guessed? But the whole point of posting the pictures is to demoralize the good people of the US, nothing more. The Nazis did it, the Japanese did it, the NVA did it, and Taranaki did it.

The whole point of not posting the pictures is to sanitise the situation and make it more pallatable for the good people of the US. The US military did it.....

Oh My, people actually get hurt in a war? Who would have guessed? But the whole point of posting the pictures is to demoralize the good people of the US, nothing more. The Nazis did it, the Japanese did it, the NVA did it, and Taranaki did it.

You miss the point as usual.

The whole point of posting the picture is to counter some of the lies told to the American public by their own administration.

Iraq is not an arcade game.

The war on terror has turned into an exercise in subverting the population of Iraq and installing a puppet government.

In their haste to try and stop the opposition to American presence in Iraq, it has been deemed that anyone who gets in the way gets executed,and anyone who doesn't get out of the way quick enough deserves every stray bullet and cluster bomb that comes their way.

Bush would rather you stopped thinking of Iraqis as people.

These pictures are here to counter his lack of humanity.

Did you just use the UN to better prove your point! hahahahah.....breath....hahahaha! :cwm27:


The fact that Iwould sooner trust the UN than Bush is a measure of how corrupt,incompetent and cowardly I think he is.

Oh My, people actually get hurt in a war? Who would have guessed? But the whole point of posting the pictures is to demoralize the good people of the US, nothing more. The Nazis did it, the Japanese did it, the NVA did it, and Taranaki did it.

Comparing Naki to the nazis...nice :disappoin

Comparing Naki to the nazis...nice :disappoin
If I valued his opinion,I'd be offended, but he's an utter fool,so I won't.

Opinions? You preach Al Queda propaganga. You aren't making your statements from personal experience, are you? Of course not.

Did you just use the UN to better prove your point! hahahahah.....breath....hahahaha! :cwm27:


Exactly how Bush feels towards the UN. :rolleyes:

I disagree that war is always morally indefensible.

If it weren't for the inaction, greed and incompetence of international organizations, none of this would have been necessary.
I agree!

I see no need at all for these picture to be posted. I don't think you made much aof a point taranaki. This is a war. Horrible things occur in war. we don't need these pictures to remind us of that.

Comparing Naki to the nazis...nice :disappoin
Nobody compares him to a Nazi. A communist maybe, but not a Nazi.

Nobody compares him to a Nazi. A communist maybe, but not a Nazi.


Yet again,gladhatter proves that he doesn't come here to read the posts, just to insult those for whom he has an attitude problem.

and as for your observation that 'this is a war'....your beloved fuhrer declared the bulk of the fighting to be over months ago.This is a controlled extermination of objectors.

Did you just use the UN to better prove your point! hahahahah.....breath....hahahaha! :cwm27:

The only reason the UN has become a laughing stock is because of the US's inability to respect it...

I see no need at all for these picture to be posted. I don't think you made much aof a point taranaki. This is a war. Horrible things occur in war. we don't need these pictures to remind us of that.

I see no reason for them not to be posted. Also, you clearly seem unmoved by people needlessly dying because a bigger, more powerful bully country invaded, so perhaps you do need a pictoral reminder of what your government is doing to the world...

The only reason the UN has become a laughing stock is because of the US's inability to respect it...

No - its a laughing stock because its run by bureaucrats and supported by fools. The fact the UN would collapse if the US left is a testament to how poorly the organization was formed and is run. If New Zealand left, would anyone notice? How about Chile or Cuba? Aside from Japan and potentially Germany pulling out, no other countries coming or going would make much of a difference. Sure the politicians would all moan and our local UN lovers would continue in their funk, but it would still plug along scamming money and passing resolutions.

I hope the UN expands to include a few dozen more countries on the Security Council and all of them have a veto. That would finally be the straw that breaks the back of that cesspool of bottom feeders.













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The fact the UN would collapse if the US left is a testament to how poorly the organization was formed and is run.

Perhaps true. But the fact that the UN is collapsing because the US is more or less leaving it on its own is testament to how little the US cares about her "allies."

Comparing Naki to the nazis...nice :disappoinI know, im glad you liked that too! :icon16:

Exactly how Bush feels towards the UN. :rolleyes:
Uh...so whats your point. Everybody laughs at the UN! :grinyes:

Perhaps true. But the fact that the UN is collapsing because the US is more or less leaving it on its own is testament to how little the US cares about her "allies."


Who saiid the UN is made up of our "allies?" You're confusing it with Nato. The UN is made up mostly of insignificant, tribal-warfare type nations, with the idea of preventing them from killing each other, with the more advanced and prosperous countries acting as referees and trying to bring them out of the dark ages.

Uh...so whats your point. Everybody laughs at the UN! :grinyes:

As long as you're assuming everybody is American, or Americans are everybody, then yes.

Who saiid the UN is made up of our "allies?" You're confusing it with Nato. The UN is made up mostly of insignificant, tribal-warfare type nations, with the idea of preventing them from killing each other, with the more advanced and prosperous countries acting as referees and trying to bring them out of the dark ages.

I would tend to define UN member countries as people who are striving for peace, and either have it, or hope(d) the UN can help them acheive it. In that case, I suppose you're right, the UN isn't make uo of your allies...

I would tend to define UN member countries as people who are striving for peace, and either have it, or hope(d) the UN can help them acheive it. In that case, I suppose you're right, the UN isn't make uo of your allies...

I think your logic behind what the UN is all wrong. Lets see North Korea is in the UN, Russia, China.Isreal, most of the warring nations in Africa and so on. Most members in the UN may be peaceful but that is not why they belong to the UN.

The UN is a bust, its broken and it has no power to do anything. Only reason the doors are still open to the UN is because the US.

Perhaps true. But the fact that the UN is collapsing because the US is more or less leaving it on its own is testament to how little the US cares about her "allies."

The allies of the US are fighting along side of the US soliders in Iraq. Not every country on this planet is an ally of the US.

I disagree that it is necessary.History has proven that the original argument for going to Iraq was a crock.All Bush has achieved is to open a can of worms that he can only control with genocide.

America should get the fuck out of other peoples' countries.This war,more than any in recent history, falls into the 'morally bankrupt' category.


I agree with you. My husband is in the military adn neither one of us believe that we belong in Iraq. He does his duty, but he doesn't believe in what we're doing. His parents sit there in their little town and say that they see on the news the guys coming back from Iraq and saying on tv that we should be there, etc. And we have to bite our tongues rather than start an argument with them, because not every person in the military feels that way. We have friends in Iraq and they don't feel that way and they see it all first hand and they all say we shouldn't be there.

Looking at those pictures really bother me, not because stuff like that upsets me easily or something, but because those soldiers could very easily be one of our friends and I can't even imagine how I'd feel if somehow I came across a picture like that with one of our friends injured in it.

You can't change a country in a few years, it takes generations upon generations to change a country and I don't think Bush realized that when he invaded, or he just didn't care.

The allies of the US are fighting along side of the US soliders in Iraq. Not every country on this planet is an ally of the US.


OH yeh like how many? A few hundred or atleast a thousand from a few countries?

The US is trying to help Iraq, and at the same time make the US and the world safer by wiping out terrorist criminals, and only because the Iraqis, Saudis, and others failed to do it themselves. I can't believe that anyone would actually side with these murdering scumbags unless it's just to get attention. If the goal of the US was anything else, we could do it from off-shore with one submarine, and the iraqis or anyone else wouldn't even realize they were dead until the flash.

I think your logic behind what the UN is all wrong.

Perhaps it is - seems I was misinformed about it. My mistake. Nevertheless, I don't think it's appropriate that the US has simply over-ridden the UN, basically making all the work they've been doing for the past <however long they've existed> a complete waste... It also shows to me that the US seems to think they're exempt from rules and have the right to parade around doing whatever they want to other countries.

The allies of the US are fighting along side of the US soliders in Iraq. Not every country on this planet is an ally of the US.

Clearly Canada isn't an ally, then.

The US is trying to help Iraq, and at the same time make the US and the world safer by wiping out terrorist criminals, and only because the Iraqis, Saudis, and others failed to do it themselves. I can't believe that anyone would actually side with these murdering scumbags unless it's just to get attention.

That's what's unfortunate about this whole mess. The US is trying to make Iraq into their image of what Iraq should be. From the strictly American point-of-view, it appears that yes, they are helping Iraq. I wonder, however, if the Iraqis think the Americans are helping, or if they even wanted/needed help in the first place. I wonder what Iraq's neighbouring countries think of the worlds most powerful military moving in next door...

The US certainly hasn't helped the citizens of Fallujah.

and at the same time make the US and the world safer by wiping out terrorist criminals

The US may (or may not, depending on retaliation) be more safe now by wiping these people out, but to the rest of the world, the Americans are the terrorist criminals. They enter countries and attack, killing people's husbands, wives, children. They try to remove "WMD's" from aggressive war-loving countries and groups, however they hold one of (if not the) the largest stockpiles of WMDs and are among the most aggressive and violent countries. The US is afraid of another terrorist attack? The rest of the world is afraid of an attack by Earth's largest terrorist group...

As American individuals, please do not take that last sentence the wrong way or consider it an accusation - most of you are great people. However, your country as a whole is certainly fitting the profile...

You need to look up the definition of a terrorist before lobbing that last sentence out.













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Terrorism: "the systematic use of terror (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=terror) especially as a means of coercion"


Terror: "1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=scourge) b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=worry) d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=brat)
3 : REIGN OF TERROR (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reign+of+terror)
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>"

Merriam-Webster

In my view, at least, the US seems to be systematically employing at least 2 and 4, making it a terrorist in my books...

I agree with you. My husband is in the military adn neither one of us believe that we belong in Iraq. He does his duty, but he doesn't believe in what we're doing. His parents sit there in their little town and say that they see on the news the guys coming back from Iraq and saying on tv that we should be there, etc. And we have to bite our tongues rather than start an argument with them, because not every person in the military feels that way. We have friends in Iraq and they don't feel that way and they see it all first hand and they all say we shouldn't be there.

Looking at those pictures really bother me, not because stuff like that upsets me easily or something, but because those soldiers could very easily be one of our friends and I can't even imagine how I'd feel if somehow I came across a picture like that with one of our friends injured in it.

You can't change a country in a few years, it takes generations upon generations to change a country and I don't think Bush realized that when he invaded, or he just didn't care.
Thank you for you and your husbands service. Who is he with and where at in Iraq?

Terrorism: "the systematic use of terror (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=terror) especially as a means of coercion"


Terror: "1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=scourge) b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=worry) d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=brat)
3 : REIGN OF TERROR (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=reign+of+terror)
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>"

Merriam-Webster

In my view, at least, the US seems to be systematically employing at least 2 and 4, making it a terrorist in my books...

So...





Whos gonna put me up in NZ for a while...?

The US is trying to help Iraq, and at the same time make the US and the world safer by wiping out terrorist criminals, and only because the Iraqis, Saudis, and others failed to do it themselves. I can't believe that anyone would actually side with these murdering scumbags unless it's just to get attention. If the goal of the US was anything else, we could do it from off-shore with one submarine, and the iraqis or anyone else wouldn't even realize they were dead until the flash.

You seem incredibly naive about world affairs,cody.

Contrary to your belief,America could NOT just cruise up to Iraq, drop a nuclear bomb on it and cruise off like it never existed.Your President may be a stupid,conceited,cowardly little shitbag, but even he isn't that dumb.

The US is NOT trying to help Iraq.The US INVADED Iraq. No amount of right-wing propaganda will alter the fact that Bush cited Iraq's WMD capability as justification for entering that country without their authority odr the support of the UN.Help them?Yeah right, and the moon is green cheese.

Bush wants a strategic base in the Middle East to put pressure on the world's biggest oil-producing nations.Relations with the Saudis have been somewhat strained since a dozen or so Saudis armed with boxcutters [under the guidance of a certain Saudi Bin Laden] flew a couple of planes into the World Trade Center........Perhaps you could explain to us the unseemly haste with which the Americans abandonned their Saudi Arabian facilites, even though Iraq was not,and is still not,and will never be,secured?

The US is NOT trying to help Iraq.The US INVADED Iraq. No amount of right-wing propaganda will alter the fact that Bush cited Iraq's WMD capability as justification for entering that country without their authority odr the support of the UN.Help them?Yeah right, and the moon is green cheese.


Sorry your left wing rhetoric and use of bold and itallics does not make it a fact.

Authority of the UN? :rofl: Holy hell-hole thats funny. :lol:













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You seem incredibly naive about world affairs,cody.

It was actually aloharocky, that time ;)

Authority of the UN? :rofl: Holy hell-hole thats funny. :lol:

It's very unfortunate that I have to agree with you. Making the UN only work if their most influential member follows the rules (which they clearly have trouble with) was a fatal design flaw. The sad part is that the US, one country, seems to believe they have more legitimate world authority than a group representing nearly all countries does. :(

It was actually aloharocky, that time ;)



lol.......tough to differentiate between two clone troopers at times.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/nakisaurus/SFCloneTroopers_z5_29.jpg

Sorry I got in on this one late.

Horrifying pictures, sadly they'll never be shown on US television. Most people in the US are grossly misinformed or do not care about what is really happening, don't see the Iraqis as people but a faceless enemy.

The UN is doomed to failure IMO, as is any organization wherein there are 5 permanent leaders/members that treat the rest of the members with disdain.

"The United States is assessed 25 percent of the United Nation's general budget. That's double the assessment of Japan, the next closest underwriter. The U.N. estimates that the U.S. is more than $1 billion in arrears in payments to the U.N.
Our 25 percent compares to 12.5 percent for Japan and 8.93 percent paid by the United Kingdom.
The US. is assessed 31.7 percent of the cost of peace-keeping activities, compared to 8.5 percent for Russia, 6.3 percent for the U.K. and 7.6 percent for France.
The U.S. donates logistical support, weapons, NATO flights, intelligence, ships and manpower to U.S. peacekeeping operations while virtually all other countries are reimbursed for such goods and services.
The U.S. is also the largest donor to most of the U.N.'s independent agencies, such as UNICEF and the U.N. High Commissioner on Refugees."

What this means is that the United States citizens pay for most of the rescue/charitable worked performed by the United Nations. There seems to be a lot of people whining about how evil the United States of America is, people who don't seem to realize that America does more than depose tyrants from middle eastern countries.

Bush can't justify the invading Iraq without finding any WMD's - I'd personally like to see all of our troops come home now in one piece - but does anyone really think the people of Iraq are capable of creating their own government if the U.S. were to just pick up and leave? They need some guidance (not necessarily American guidance) - they have no experienced leaders capable of governing a country (what they do have are religious zealots ready to kill anyone they don't want elected, Iraqi or otherwise).

There is no clean way for the US to leave Iraq now, we'd have set up a puppet government and hope it can hold up.

I think the UN should be disbanded, and a more equitable (all around) entity should be created.

I think the US should pull back troops to defend US soil, rather than sticking their nose all over the place and pissing people off all over the globe. Stop paying for bases overseas. If someone wants the US to have a base in their country, let them pay for it.

-end rant-

I think the UN should be disbanded, and a more equitable (all around) entity should be created.

I think the US should pull back troops to defend US soil, rather than sticking their nose all over the place and pissing people off all over the globe. Stop paying for bases overseas. If someone wants the US to have a base in their country, let them pay for it.

-end rant-

I agree, the U.N. had a good idea when it started but now is the biggest joke I've ever seen. I'll get into why in another debate.

I agree somewhat on the U.S. defending U.S. soil and keeping out of people's business. I do think we need to keep an eye out though and act, when needed, on special matters. In WW2 we sat back and minded our own business and then it came back and bit us in the butt.
The U.S. since then has got the idea that every offense by another country is the start of WW3 and we must go stop it before it gets out of hand. I think we can find a nice median and stick to it.

Pretty ironic. Just flipped through my friends pictures on Christmas when he was in Iraq. He was an Airborne Ranger. Saw a lot of smiles on Iraqi's faces men, women, and children. All that site does is show the negative side.

Pretty ironic. Just flipped through my friends pictures on Christmas when he was in Iraq. He was an Airborne Ranger. Saw a lot of smiles on Iraqi's faces men, women, and children. All that site does is show the negative side.

Indeed it does, but I'm afraid that too often, all we see is the positive side. Between the two, hopefully we can get as good a picture of the realities of Fallujah as possible.

As far as I can see, all that site shows is the horrors and effects of war. Yes there are happy people, and yes people are getting blown up. What some people need to realise is that war is ugly and people get hurt, it's not a fucking videogame.

Of course, to those people, anything you say which might disagree with what they blindly believe in is hate and antipatriotism.