Another exploited hero.

He's still a hero in my eyes, but the Pentagon/Administration needs to quit with the lies!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002110336_tillman06.html

It turns out that the Pentagon consciously skewed reports of Pat's death, to raise some false patriotism, and further their agenda.

I'm reminded of Jessica Lynch.

that sucks man. and michael moore called this guy...what was the term?

oh..."dumb son of a bitch." :disappoin

anyone willing to make that kind of sacrfice to their nation is a hero, and is to be admired.

its a shame the pentagon feels they have to dress his story up because he's a celebrity. no soldier should have to die like that.

that sucks man. and michael moore called this guy...what was the term?

oh..."dumb son of a bitch." :disappoin



Oh, MM can suck my you-know-what about that comment. I watched Pat while he was still in ASU, and as a Cardinal.

He joined because of 9-11, and he was fighting in the right place, Afghanistan. As much as I oppose Iraq, I can't see nothing bu heroism in what Pat Tillman did.

Also, he got his head blown off, because he was standing up, telling the other US forces that they were shooting at Americans. As far as I'm concerned, he died trying to save the lives of others.

He's an idiot, not a hero, he gave up a banner life to go fight and die. Good job buddy.

No you are an idiot for posting that.

No you are an idiot for posting that.

settle pettle.... he's just expressing his opinion. it's easy to see how he reached it. although i completely disagree, the guy obviously has a different set of priorities.

"he was fighting in the right place"

^good call.

He's an idiot, not a hero, he gave up a banner life to go fight and die. Good job buddy.
That was a stupid ass thing to say :rolleyes: You really need to grow up one of these days.



They should never have skewed those reports. The man was proud and brave and should remembered for that and not used as a tool for anyone.













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He's an idiot, not a hero, he gave up a banner life to go fight and die. Good job buddy.

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You say idiot... I say a good man who died fighting for something he believed strongly and dearly in... A hero as they say...

That man was brave, he went to a war because he felt like he was doing the right thing. He gave up making millions to defend his country in what he thought was an hounerable cause. Now I am ashamed that the US twisted his death story so they can make him look more like a hero....he already was a hero just by telling the original story, but they disgraced themselves with another lie

How many of you would willingly give up an amazing life getting paid 3-4 million dollars a year to put your life on teh line everyday? YOu know what the answer is, but you won't admit it. You will all learn someday that life is short, and when you get opportunaties like that, that you take them and you cherish them. He had a huge ego to command, and going and dying a "hero" did it for him.

Rbraczyk...i'd stop if i where you. Your not going to win.

Did Pat make the same choice you would have made...guess not. Does his being killed by friendy fire change anything? No it doesn't. He was killed in the line of duty in my eyes no matter what.

I disagree with the war, but never will i call the people fighting it stupid, or anything even close to it. Rbraczyk I'm a dem. and liberal and i'm even looking at your comments and saying...DAMN...thats just wrong.

How many of you would willingly give up an amazing life getting paid 3-4 million dollars a year to put your life on teh line everyday? YOu know what the answer is, but you won't admit it. You will all learn someday that life is short, and when you get opportunaties like that, that you take them and you cherish them. He had a huge ego to command, and going and dying a "hero" did it for him.

I think talking patriotic, then going and fighting and dying for what you believe to be right is a very honorable thing to do. Unlike some other morons who just right lame songs about putting boots in peoples asses...

I still dont' think you understand. He threw his life away to go and die. He expected that when he left to Afghanistan, but that doesn't mean anything now. He probably widowed and left some kids behind.

Sometimes you have to support the right thing, even if it isn't popular.

It does not take a single ounce of courage to call a fallen soldier an idiot.

Rbraczyk you have a lot of learning to do!

I still dont' think you understand. He threw his life away to go and die. He expected that when he left to Afghanistan, but that doesn't mean anything now. He probably widowed and left some kids behind.

Sometimes you have to support the right thing, even if it isn't popular.

I really don't understand what you are talking about

Are the men who signed up during WWII idiots for haveing done so. Because, useing your logic, they are. I may not understand it, but there are people who turly think that the wars that are going on are totaly the right thing, more power to them. If they wanna sign up because they think its the right thing to do, let them.

I don't understand why you are saying this guy was an idiot for signing up? So what that he was rich, and famous. That makes me respect him that much more. Because a lot of rich people would say...fuck that i ain't going over there. The man wanted to serve his country, and he did so and died in the effort.

I dare you to say what is un-honorable and stupid about that? What do you say to the WWII vets who did the very same thing 63 years ago?

He's an idiot, not a hero, he gave up a banner life to go fight and die. Good job buddy.


hes a hero. Why? Becuase he gave up a banner life to serve his country.

The idea of leaving something like that and doing something good is fine, I admit, but with the right intentions.

Pat Tillman was a fine player, but his gung-ho mentality led to him being killed. He could have done other things, but he got caught up in the moment and did the dumb thing.

Believe me, when 9/11 happened, I suddenly wanted to forget about college and go become a firefighter. Thank god for me, my father was there to teach me that you should not rely on your initial instinct, rather step back and look at the picture as a whole.

Before you flame me, ask for why I say what I do...

Before you flame me, ask for why I say what I do...

No need to ask. You made it quite clear why you felt he was an "idiot".
Not everyone is motivated solely by monetary riches regardless how popular the pursuit of extreme wealth has become.

Your story is interesting but what does it say about you? That you are level headed and that you listened to your father’s advice? Maybe you lacked any real passion or courage? Perhaps you are still quite immature and easily swayed from making any tough life decisions? Only you know for sure and only Pat Tillman knew what truly motivated him.

The idea of leaving something like that and doing something good is fine, I admit, but with the right intentions.

Pat Tillman was a fine player, but his gung-ho mentality led to him being killed. He could have done other things, but he got caught up in the moment and did the dumb thing.

Believe me, when 9/11 happened, I suddenly wanted to forget about college and go become a firefighter. Thank god for me, my father was there to teach me that you should not rely on your initial instinct, rather step back and look at the picture as a whole.

Before you flame me, ask for why I say what I do...

Sometimes there is more to life than money and fame.

Some people have morals and passion. They are actually very cool, you should look into getting some.

How many of you would willingly give up an amazing life getting paid 3-4 million dollars a year to put your life on teh line everyday? YOu know what the answer is, but you won't admit it. You will all learn someday that life is short, and when you get opportunaties like that, that you take them and you cherish them. He had a huge ego to command, and going and dying a "hero" did it for him.


I can't believe what I'm reading. This man gave up his life to protect the freedoms of Americans and your calling him an idiot! He made one sacrifice, giving up millions, and ended up making the ulitimate sacrifice, his life. Its a good thing not everyone thinks like you do. Theres nothing free when its come to freedom. People of the Armed Forces bleed, sacrifice, and die to give you your american rights. Of course since this is a free country, because of people like Tillman, you are allowed to speak your mind and so am I. Your the idiot.

How many of you would willingly give up an amazing life getting paid 3-4 million dollars a year to put your life on teh line everyday? ....
Only the heroes do that. YOU will never know what that is like will you?

Before you flame me, ask for why I say what I do...
Don't need to ask. I know.

Rbraczyk, you don't understand because you're self-centered and shallow. I hope one day you can grow up and see that for yourself.













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Give up a banner life to fight for something that has no meaning. I was behind the afghanistan war, but the fact that now opium has spread from afghanistan to Europe and America, 4,200 metric tonnes this year, and the fact that it commands 70% of Afghanistans output makes me hate the war.

I'm no coward, I just don't want to fight for things that had no purpose. If I had to, I would have willingly fought in WWI or WWII. Since Korea, there have been no intelligent, or purposeful wars waged.

Give up a banner life to fight for something that has no meaning. I was behind the afghanistan war, but the fact that now opium has spread from afghanistan to Europe and America, 4,200 metric tonnes this year, and the fact that it commands 70% of Afghanistans output makes me hate the war.

I'm no coward, I just don't want to fight for things that had no purpose. If I had to, I would have willingly fought in WWI or WWII. Since Korea, there have been no intelligent, or purposeful wars waged.

Thats fine, you believe thats it has no meaning. I disagree with the war as well. But what you are doing is the same thing that many protesters did to the Vietnam vets, and i am becomeing truly pissed off because my father was one of those vets that when he steped off the plane, was yelled at, baby killer all that shit.

Yes, he didn't ask to go, they drafted his ass, so its not totaly like that, but pretty damn close i think. Pat thought in his heart it was the right thing, and even if he didn't think it was totaly the right thing, he was following orders. and your insulting him, is...insane....totaly insane.

Give up a banner life to fight for something that has no meaning. I was behind the afghanistan war, but the fact that now opium has spread from afghanistan to Europe and America, 4,200 metric tonnes this year, and the fact that it commands 70% of Afghanistans output makes me hate the war.

I'm no coward, I just don't want to fight for things that had no purpose. If I had to, I would have willingly fought in WWI or WWII. Since Korea, there have been no intelligent, or purposeful wars waged.

How do you feel about the soldiers other than Tillman who volunteered for the current conflict, the ones who may not have given up a” banner life” but chose for whatever reason to serve. Do you think that they too are idiots? If so why?

I have three sons and I raised them all the same. One is a college student. The other two are soldiers with sand on their boots. I am equally proud of all of them and I respect their different views and opinions. They are young men NOT children masquerading as adults. The college student has no desire to soldier but he respects those who choose to serve. He is also aware that without volunteers a draft would probably exist in this country. You should think about that while you are attending class and bad mouthing fallen soldiers.

Just what the hell are they teaching you in college anyway? Sounds like you think that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Also I find it interesting that you “thank god” for your father’s guidance given your views on religion.

Just what the hell are they teaching you in college anyway? Sounds like you think that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong. Also I find it interesting that you “thank god” for your father’s guidance given your views on religion.

Umm, i'm not entirely sure that he is in college, i believe from his brithdate and whati remember from others posts, he's in High school.

Umm, i'm not entirely sure that he is in college, i believe from his brithdate and whati remember from others posts, he's in High school.

Thanks for the info Marc04. My apologies for writing without having all the facts

Rbraczyk are you currently attending high school or college?

High school, but my political views are well founded, and I have reached the maturity of a college student well before I have gotten there...

Call him a hero, fine. In my eyes, he is not a hero, he is just a Gung ho football player who wanted to be a hero, and made himself one very quickly.

Rbraczyk, you don't understand because you're self-centered and shallow. I hope one day you can grow up and see that for yourself.

Ok, you know what I'll do, I'll go to Iraq instead of going to college. I'll die at 18 years of age, and whatever good I would do for the country tenfold if I had gone to college would be gone forever.

You know, maybe you should lift your bias a bit, if you think he's such a hero, why don't you go fight. Its your war anyways....

Ok, you know what I'll do, I'll go to Iraq instead of going to college. I'll die at 18 years of age, and whatever good I would do for the country tenfold if I had gone to college would be gone forever.

You know, maybe you should lift your bias a bit, if you think he's such a hero, why don't you go fight. Its your war anyways....


I hate this war to, but i would never go so far as to say the men and women fighting are idiots. The fact that tillman was on easy street makes his sacrifice even greater.


High school, but my political views are well founded, and I have reached the maturity of a college student well before I have gotten there...


ya i thought i knew it all in highschool aswell. you will quickly learn that you know nothing about anything. somethings only come with Experience, and at 18 that is something you can't have a whole lot of.


do us all a favour and keep shit like this to yourself. if you wanna say the war is unjust and he never should of had to leave his "banner life". that's fine but to call him an idiot and mock his sacrifice is just plan retarded.

I've seen more in my life sofar than many will see in their entire lives.

I've seen more in my life sofar than many will see in their entire lives.

HA HA HA!! I love the teenage mind. Its so naive! Face it kid, the guy is a hero and your a naive high school kid. Stop repsonding to this thread. Your done, stick a fork in ya!

seriously rb. Quit while you're ahead.

I want to ask all of you how many times you've been expelled from school. And how many family members you have left, and how many people you have lost within your family, and those who were friends.

I want to ask all of you how many times you've been expelled from school. And how many family members you have left, and how many people you have lost within your family, and those who were friends.


death is a part of life. every one has lost someone, it doesn't make you special.

family's don't always stay together. you would be in the minoirty if you'res has lasted.

oh no, expelled, this tells me right here that you have a lot of growing up to do. this of course has nothing to do with the real world. come back in few years when you have some real world experience. you know the world out from under your partents roof.

if you haven't had to struggle with the choice of paying rent or buying food, then you can't truely understand what tillman gave up to do what he thought was right.

I have no job, I work two days at my mothers house a month, and I have to pay for my gasoline, half my food, and half my car insurance.

I have 3 living family members ok, I barely know what it is to have a christmas. Happy asshole?

The name calling ends. Let the growing up begin.













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