I think im over the evo 7

i think i am over the evo 7. I was 100% planning on getting one, but I am always finding reasons not to now. on the question about 0-60 and 1/4 mile link, I am hearing about how the 0-60 time is in the 5's, not the 4's. that is closer to a u.s. wrx. so I am sure subaru is going to beat that by far since the sti is alot better than the wrx. I mean, what could i do better with the evo7 than the wrx or sti when/if it comes? why should I get the evo7 over it? I am hearing about problems with modding it and alot of other stuff. now I know the 7 is better than the 6 but, still. I used to love it but now it just seems like it is fading. can anyone help??? pleez.

Because the WRX is really ugly I don't like the body style.......the EVO looks so much better.

evo 7 will SMOKE the WRX... c'mon now dude.. don't lose hope. the STI and the EVO 7 will be a good one to compare, but the EVO 7 definitely tops the WRX...

thanks guys!:D

My friend, Paul, has a WRX and it is fast, but I know for sure it won't compete well with the EVO 7!

I currently live in Japan. I easily see BIG difference in the Subaru WRX STI and the Mitsubishi EVOLUTION VII. First of all the WRX STI is not pretty at all. Second, The Evo has outperformed the WRX STI in every way over here, dealing with mod's, engine reliability, and handling (Especially with the EVO VII). Most japanese wont even consider buying Subaru due to being unreliable after 3-4 years.

Living over here in Japan has MADE me a evo VII lover! I can't wait to get in my EVO VII. I just bought a 2002, and am just waiting for the delivery.

Littledagger

yup, my friend has a Subaru Impreza and he took it back to the dealer to fix it, Subaru won't even bother with him.

If you dont' like the Evo, dont' get it, find something else. Its YOUR choice. Were just here to share opinions and knowledge.

littledagger, i dont know what your talkin about subaru's being unreliable after 4 years, they last for alot longer than that. last time i heard, mitsu engines were the unreliable ones. just my opinion though.

Check out the May isue of Automoblie magazine.They have a comparison between the Evo VII and the STI WRX.The VII is .7 seconds quicker 0-60!(These were eurospec cars they tested).

Originally posted by ImportNut1212
littledagger, i dont know what your talkin about subaru's being unreliable after 4 years, they last for alot longer than that. last time i heard, mitsu engines were the unreliable ones. just my opinion though.

??? First of all, mitsubishi has some of the most reliable cars out there. We have had a galant for who knows how long and the only problem is it eats oil, probably a crack or hole in the gasket which is common on lots of engines who have many miles, but its still going. My dad is a EE and analyzes everything. He hates fast and the furious as many do, but says the new lancer evo looks nice, because he trusts mitsubishi (the galant used to be his car). Hes the kind of guy who researches everything he buys and a car is obviously important due to it's large price tag. He checked around and heard only good things about its relability and service from our dealership. So it's proven its relability and its service in our town at least. Also, where have you "heard" this? And then why do you go and say it's just your opinion? well did you just have an opinion to think the subaru is more reliable or did you actually hear it? I'm not attacking you, just things dont add up, and you're post failed to contribute to the thread because it was biased and lacked evidence. Next time be more prepared

with that out of the way, i'd like to restate myself:

My dad trusts noone. In a corporate sense that is. He hates the guys down at mazda where he got his miata. He researched the Celica when he was close to getting it and did not get it because he heard bad things about the car, and when he went to the dealership the guy was an asshole. But he trusts mitsubishi. More than any other company i know. They gave him good service (fixed minor problems for free) and the car has lasted for a very good amount of time. So I definently think mitsubishi would be a very reliable and decent engine stock or modified. Don't get me wrong the WRX is nice and i haven't heard any problems with their engines cause i haven't really looked into it, but I think the evo will be better in the long run due to cost, aftermarket, and relability. Cost because alot of the car is already "done". you dont need to buy a nice brake kit b/c brembo already supplied them. Also the body styling is already beautiful in contrast to the WRX which doesn't really look very nice (according to me and the masses). And mistubishi is a great company so you wont have problems there.

my two pennies :coolguy:

OH NO, THE 7 ONLY GETS TO 60 IN 5secs!!!, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO.
Do you know how hard you have to launch a car to get that sorta time, its not something you are going to be doing all the time and the 7 is still faster than a wrx and it has better handling.

Compared to the STI, the evo should have more meaningful performance as it has greater low-end torque which would translate to faster progress everytime in the real world where you are not reaching 7000RPMs.

Also, everywhere I read, the handling of the evo is much better than the STI. Cars are not just for going fast in a straightline.

The first time I drove my evo7, I had a great big grin from weaving in and out of corners, roundabouts while overtaking cars. I doubt if any other cars in the real world could have given me that much enjoyment.

Evo7: Price about US$30K.
Big grin on face: Priceless.

In defense, WRX is not that ugly.

everyone i know who has a mitsubishi has a serious p.o.s. maybe its just theyre unlucky buy everyone i know who has one its unreliable as hell. examples:

95 galant. ~65,000 miles and on its 3rd transmission rebuild, and already leaking fluid again
95 galant. ~90,000 miles and 2 transmission rebuilds
94 galant. ~80,000 miles and 2 blown head gaskets
95 eclipse gsx. ~50,000 miles and 1 full engine rebuild and 1 fixed boost leak. now has another boost leak.
96 eclipse gst. ? miles and 1 blown head gasket and now a boost leak.


and as for sti vs evo, lets look at facts. last 6 wrc seasons, evo won 2 maufacturers titles and sti won 4. if the evo has such better power delivery and handling shouldnt it be the other way around?

now dont flame me for being an evo hater just cuz i drive a subaru, i love evo's and hope to own one someday. i do agree they look a bazillion times better than the wrx, but i still think the sti is a better performer.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
everyone i know who has a mitsubishi has a serious p.o.s. maybe its just theyre unlucky buy everyone i know who has one its unreliable as hell. examples:

95 galant. ~65,000 miles and on its 3rd transmission rebuild, and already leaking fluid again
95 galant. ~90,000 miles and 2 transmission rebuilds
94 galant. ~80,000 miles and 2 blown head gaskets
95 eclipse gsx. ~50,000 miles and 1 full engine rebuild and 1 fixed boost leak. now has another boost leak.
96 eclipse gst. ? miles and 1 blown head gasket and now a boost leak.


and as for sti vs evo, lets look at facts. last 6 wrc seasons, evo won 2 maufacturers titles and sti won 4. if the evo has such better power delivery and handling shouldnt it be the other way around?

now dont flame me for being an evo hater just cuz i drive a subaru, i love evo's and hope to own one someday. i do agree they look a bazillion times better than the wrx, but i still think the sti is a better performer.

Well the car i previously mentioned was used as a family car and thus endured many miles but no accidents, harsh use, or racing. From some of the posts I've seen in the racing forums I'm inclined to presume that those galant's owners were your friends and from the looks of the burnouts, use of nitrous, and heavy racing I can see why such service was required ;-) If they weren't subjected to these conditions let me know but also the Evo is meant as a sports car and thus would last longer under more "sporty" conditions. Also, our transmission is an automatic and I'm sure there is varying in the lifespan between mitsubishi's auto and manual trans. Also if they were raced it's possible that the upgrades were one dimensional, in other words they blew all their money on the turbo kit but didn't think to replace the clutch with a stronger one to withstand that HP, same with flywheel and transmission overall. So please clarify :-) and I am by no means bashing subaru, I've heard only great things and the look isn't that bad but I think the evo is a little more well rounded and better looking in a general sense.

Originally posted by Bryan8412
From some of the posts I've seen in the racing forums I'm inclined to presume that those galant's owners were your friends and from the looks of the burnouts, use of nitrous, and heavy racing I can see why such service was required ;-)

hmm u may have a point there. :p both eclipses and the galant that keeps losing transmissions were raced a lot. the other 2 galants, i dont know their story how they were driven cuz they were just people i kinda know not really close acquaintances, and those are just the problems ive been told they had.

Damn, Now Im hearing no AYC and ACD. In my opinion both of those need to stay. Each one makes a big difference. I heard someone say that we will get 50%/50% thingy. In my opinion that would suck. It would then be just like the STI. What is mitsu trying to do, compete with the current u.s. wrx? Shit, My faith came back, but just went down again. I still want one really bad, I just hope that we get the AYd and ACD.
heres a LINK (http://lancerforums.com/forums/t3070.html) to a conversation on this. Dang, I really need to stop worrying, but I just really want the ACD and AYC.

how can you honestly say that the sti will blow the VII away?

If a wrx does 0-60 in 5.4 seconds(given a good driver) figure in an added 50 horsepower and that 0-60 time goes down to 4.8-5.2....so how does that not compete with what the evo does? The evo will be a 5 second car give or a take a few tenths.


anyhow the evo VII is the shit. you get it because you like the name and love the styling....you get it beacause with 50 bucks you can buy a boost controller and have massive gains. you get it because you know with 2grand you can have a borderline 11 second car.


peace

i think the sti and evo 7 will be very closely matched in performance, so close that itll mainly come down to personal preference which one u get. id rather have an evo 5 or 6 than either one, but if i had to choose id probably take an evo 7 over an sti. now impreza 22b, thats another story, id take that over an evo anyday. but those were such a limited edition ill probably never have the chance to get one.

Bryan8412,

All I have to say is...your dad needs to do some more research!

If you pick up an EVO VII and expect to put some miles on it...better make sure you have some good tools.

Originally posted by Turbo442
Bryan8412,

All I have to say is...your dad needs to do some more research!

If you pick up an EVO VII and expect to put some miles on it...better make sure you have some good tools.

I am just wondering, but why would you need tools? the engine is said to be strong as the supra's engine...

Originally posted by Turbo442
Bryan8412,

All I have to say is...your dad needs to do some more research!

If you pick up an EVO VII and expect to put some miles on it...better make sure you have some good tools.

yes and if thats all you have to say then you shouldn't have said anything at all. I provided substantial real-life evidence to back my post up, and you join the conversation saying i better make sure i have some good tools. Wow look at this:

if you buy a wrx you better have some good tools

notice how i just drop that in and fail to provide sufficient evidence or reenforement to prove my point. Don't join a conversation with advice you pulled out of your ass. In the process you have insulted my dad's judgment which I will ignore because it doesn't relate nor contribute to the conversation, see how that works? Try to make some posts worthwhile. My point is a person, neglecting relationship to myself, who is very picky and stringent in choices and does much research is satisfied with his overall purchase. What more research can he do? He's driven the car hundreds of thousands of miles and it's still going with minor repairs needed, how can he research that anymore? Next time read the entire post and understand the concept fully before dropping in and critisizing someones post...

Some of us have been spinning wrenches on Mitsubishis for several years. I find it humorous when some one mentions how reliable Mitsubishi vehicles are. Sure you will find the odd case with no problems. Start looking at some of their high performance models if you want to see big problems. Want data? Try reading Consumer Reports. You and your dad will be in for a shock.

Originally posted by Turbo442
Some of us have been spinning wrenches on Mitsubishis for several years. I find it humorous when some one mentions how reliable Mitsubishi vehicles are. Sure you will find the odd case with no problems. Start looking at some of their high performance models if you want to see big problems. Want data? Try reading Consumer Reports. You and your dad will be in for a shock.

thank you for at least giving some structural support to your post and providing useful information that contributes to the thread. I am by no means attempting to start a debate but i just don't like it very much as you can imagine when i made a post to depict my experiances with mitisubishi in the scope of relability and it was critisized by a flat, open sentance. The comment about my father could have been expunged however, please drop that. But I am interested in the consumer reports do you have any links? also since I assume you're implying that you yourself worked on mitsubishis could you go in depth about your experiacne like what year model problems that were common etc. Thanks

bryan

Bryan8412,

Off the top of my head my 90 AWD Talon has had the following recalls.

Transmission 2nd gear syncros (uncorrected leads to fatal transmission failure)
Front brake rotors (uncorrected leads to fatal brake failure)
Transfer case (uncorrected leads to fatal 4 wheel lock up)
Timing belt tensioner (uncorrected leads to fatal motor failure)
O2 sensor (uncorrected leads to poor gas mileage)
Seat belt (uncorrected leads to driver and passenger deaths)

I am sure I missed a few...

These are all engineering/quality issues. Some of these issues killed people before Mitsubishi took action. The transfer case is a good example of this.

I have thoroughly enjoyed my car. I doubt I could say the same for the average American consumer dealing with all of these problems. How do you think all of those 2G Eclipse owners from 95-99 feel when their motor crank walked and Mitsubishi won’t go good for it? If you need more data, why not subscribe to club DSM's mailing list. www.dsm.org
We have been discussing Mitsubishis since 1990.

Turbo

Thanks for the info. That's really interesting stuff though; maybe ours has stood the test of time because it's built more to last in family conditions as opposed to the sporty talon, but problems that bad still makes you think twice about buying a lancer evo when it comes out. My final opinion is that Mitsubishi has probably learned from the past, but more so I think that if this is supposed to be under 30k coming stock with sport brakes etc that it's more of an enthusiest car than a sporty novelty, ala the talon. Though it can be modded to meet evolution's enthusiest status, the problems lead me to beleive that those were stock cars. Thus I think the evo will be more durable as mitsu will be expecting harsh use (you have to remember these are built to be rally cars) and that they have (hopefully) learned from the past by now. Regardless, I think it's great that companies like Subaru and Mitsubishi are offering such car: 4wd for practiality and great preformance, Single turbo i-4, brembo brakes stock (for evo), etc and all for under or around 30k with a great aftermarket to match. I just hope that other car makers begin to follow the same trend and quit throwing expensive luxury items stock on sports cars that raises the price. Now if we could skip the middle man and have the car company offer high preformance, non-warrenty-infringing parts right off the lot, we'd be in heaven :-)

bryan

I agree, I hope mitsu has learned. I mean, they already have a pretty bad rep as far as quality. And think about what will happen if the evo is poor quality. its a great car, as have the past ones been, but this is their chance to renew their reputation and be known as "well made".
But if they screw up, in performence of quality, I dont think many people will forgive them. this is kinda like a last chance for them.

you could always get a US lancer :) Mine is going to be out fitted with turbo and intercoolers this summer ,around august. The dealer estimated that I will have 5ho less than the EVO VII,just dont have the rally suspension,which is ok with me. I dont plan on offroading with it any time soon. Just out running those annoying Mustangs.


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And where is everyone getting the price for the EVO VII that is being released next year. I cant find it anywhere at all. ?

Originally posted by MitsubishiLance
The dealer estimated that I will have 5ho less than the EVO VII,just dont have the rally suspension,which is ok with me.

umm lets not forget u wont have the awd. u might only have 5hp less than an evo but an evo still isnt gonna have any problems wasting u.

I would personally get the STI over the EVO. its just my personal preference, i've heard about less mechanical problems in the subaru's than i have in mitsubishis. also, has anyone seen the latest issue of Automobile magazine? they do a comparo of the STI and EVOVII, the evo is going to be 38k!!!!!! while the sti will only be 32k. (i'm almost positive it was in automobile magazine)

Bryon8412

and as for sti vs evo, lets look at facts. last 6 wrc seasons, evo won 2 maufacturers titles and sti won 4. if the evo has such better power delivery and handling shouldnt it be the other way around?

Yes the facts may say that during the last 6 wrc seasons Mitsubishi won 2 compared to Subaru which got won 6. But remember the driver plays a big role in this. The last WRC championship 3 teams had a chance to grab the title including Mitsubishi but the other 2 teams crashed out therefore Subaru won. Most WRC cars are competitive and are capable of winning races. Just because Subaru won the title it doesnt mean anything. Look at this seasons WRC, Subaru nor Mitsubishi is in the lead? This season there are a few other teams that are capable of winning the title. Im not here to dis on Subaru's or anything its just that I read alot of magazines and almost every mag says that the STI and the Evo is about the same when it comes to speed. Sti has its good and bad, vice versa. Subaru is more comfy while the Evo is more harsh on the road due to its stiffer suspension. So it would really depend on the individual.

As for the reliability, all cars will have problems down the road. I think Subaru and Mitsubishi cars compared to other Jap cars are not as reliable than others because if they were there wont be so many Honda's and Toyota's on the road. Every one knows Honda and Toyota are one of the most reliable cars.

Magazines from the US dont compare the EVO and STI is because the US aint got the EVO yet. But I have read so many other mags from Asia and Europe and they all say the same about both cars having different characters. Check out http://www.warrender.co.uk/homepage.htm and look under road test.

Dont know if you have seen the video Best Motoring from Japan, there are a few videos comparing the new EVO VII and the STI as well with other japanese cars. There should be at least 5 videos in 2001 with both cars in the race. They usually race about 5 laps in different circuits and the EVO VII would always win the STI. Even when the Evo started behind the Sti it still crossed the finish line first. Not once the Sti beat the Evo across the finish line. If you havent seen it then maybe you should ask someone who has and find out yourself. All cars tested are stock with no midifications.

I usually change cars after 2-3 years so it doesnt matter if they are that reliable in the years as long as I have fun in it ;) Im sure you have seen new cars break down before or malfunction, doesn't matter who makes them. Its how you take care of it in the long run :smoker:

Originally posted by ImportNut1212
I would personally get the STI over the EVO. its just my personal preference, i've heard about less mechanical problems in the subaru's than i have in mitsubishis. also, has anyone seen the latest issue of Automobile magazine? they do a comparo of the STI and EVOVII, the evo is going to be 38k!!!!!! while the sti will only be 32k. (i'm almost positive it was in automobile magazine)

I've driven The EVO VII and the new STI on the same day. EVO wins hands down on drive-ability. STI wins on interior. Both loose on looks.


Nico

Originally posted by Derek888
Bryon8412

Yes the facts may say that during the last 6 wrc seasons Mitsubishi won 2 compared to Subaru which got won 6. But remember the driver plays a big role in this. The last WRC championship 3 teams had a chance to grab the title including Mitsubishi but the other 2 teams crashed out therefore Subaru won. Most WRC cars are competitive and are capable of winning races. Just because Subaru won the title it doesnt mean anything. Look at this seasons WRC, Subaru nor Mitsubishi is in the lead? This season there are a few other teams that are capable of winning the title. Im not here to dis on Subaru's or anything its just that I read alot of magazines and almost every mag says that the STI and the Evo is about the same when it comes to speed. Sti has its good and bad, vice versa. Subaru is more comfy while the Evo is more harsh on the road due to its stiffer suspension. So it would really depend on the individual.

well i didn't say that nor is my name Bryon, but thanks for the info :-P

I don't think that the issue here is JDM STi versus JDM EVO VII. The issue is U.S. STi (a big IF) versus U.S. EVO VII.

I think a lot of judgement needs to be withheld until we know how much the EVO is going to cost. Think about it, Mitsubishi isn't going to send over a car that gets stomped by the WRX when it costs $10k more. I think it's pretty clear that Mitsu is willing to compromise the car, so the final price will indicate final performance. Subaru so far seems to be unwilling to compromise their cars, which I like very much, but remember both companies are still playing the same game of poker; they just have different playing styles. You see, Japanese car makers are still leary about selling true performance cars here in the States because historically, the U.S. has not been anxious to receive a lot of Japanese cars. I live in Alabama, so I am completely immersed in the V8 crowd. Nothing but a big, bloated cross-plane V8 will do for some people (even though they love those flat-crank Nascar monstrosities). So, the Japanese car maker wisely limits performance car exports to whatever is neccesary to keep up with Companies A and B. Subaru slams a big fistful of chips on the table with the WRX. Mitsu sees and raises by a slightly de-tuned EVO VII. Subaru ups the ante with a genuine, no B.S. WRX STi. And so on...

As I said before, Subaru seems intent on keeping the car intact. Mitsubishi, however, is willing to change the design around to make it cheaper and keep it at the "just competitive" level. Mitsu is still testing the water, while Subaru has basically jumped in. I think the only thing that will wake these people up is if WRXs and EVOs both sell really well over the next 4-5 years. Then maybe the manufacturers will get serious. And I think Subaru is already serious, just implementing it's global domination plan slowly...

As for reliability, I have to side with the Subaru guys. Subaru can make a tough-as-nails drivetrain (although infinitely complicated - shafts within shafts?), and I have not heard any serious powertrain woes recently. I have heard my share of Mitsubishi horror stories. Sorry, but most of the Mitsu drivers I know are idiots. Of all of them, I would say only one is a serious tuner. And he's still an idiot. We have opposite philosophies: I say, select the strongest components, and buld it up bulletproof first, then start "chasing the bottleneck (gradually finding and fixing anything that hampers your performance goals - yes, you need goals)." On the other hand, the Talon guy decides how much power he thinks he can pull from the motor, figures out what will unquestionably get him there, does it, and waits for something to break before he rethinks his setup. A fat turbocharger running at 20 psi (1.37 bar) was the answer. 100% injector duty at WOT was apparantly acceptable (might as well have used a garden hose), but a 20:1 air/fuel ratio was not (I'm exaggerating). After a fast highway run, the thing would detonate at idle. He's on his third engine now. Technically his fourth, since very few original parts survived the last catastrophe. I don't know what all he has in there right now, but I see another cataclysm on the horizon. Quit using stock connecting rods!

I think the point of that story was that I know a really stupid guy, and he needs to start taking advice from someone who knows (Nissan tuners know turbos, dammit). Anyways, as you can see, I have had some bad experience with Mitsubishi motors, but there's no telling how much of it was the motor and how much of it was the idiot with the wrench. To Mitsu's credit, there are a number of 3000GT's running around with nary a worn belt. I've examined a few of these, and aside from irrelevent interior and appearance stuff, they were bone stock. All the VR-4 owners seem to be satisfied with stock performance - I guess they didn't flinch at the 4000 lbs. curb weight either. So, if you keep the motor stock, it may actually last. But that is a moot point among enthusiats.

Bottom line: let's just wait and find out. I have a little self-control, I can wait a few years to see how things pan out. But I guess that's another moot point for most of you. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Holyterror
As for reliability, I have to side with the Subaru guys. Subaru can make a tough-as-nails drivetrain (although infinitely complicated - shafts within shafts?), and I have not heard any serious powertrain woes recently. I have heard my share of Mitsubishi horror stories. Sorry, but most of the Mitsu drivers I know are idiots. Of all of them, I would say only one is a serious tuner. And he's still an idiot.

Sorry, can't resist on reacting:flash:

Yes, Mitsu do have some problems but I haven't really heard many. On the Scooby OTOH.... clutch judder, gearbox breaking, warping and cracking brake disks (plenty of them)....

As for Mitsu drivers being idiots.. I have the impression that this goes for 90% of the US sports car crowd. Look at the huge aftermarket. There's oly one country more crazy: Japan.

Nico van Steen
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I didn't mean to imply that all Mitsu drivers were idiots. It's just that all the ones I know seem to be. I.E. my friend who wrecked his Eclipse about 2 weeks after he got it. He lost control of the car when a fat column of ash fell off his cigar into his lap. His crotch is a magnet for trouble, though. One time, he got bit by a ferret... :eek:

I have heard about the cracking rotors, now that I think of it. I didn't realise it was that common. I thought it was caused by the local yokels spraying their friends' wheels between races to cool down their brakes. They have warped and cracked rotors on about a dozen cars. You have to give the rednecks a little slack, though. We're not used to alloy wheels that expose so much of our rotors :D

The rotor problem on WRXs really sucks, though. The WRX actually has decent brakes from the factory, so most people don't really think about replacing them. I'd say most people will put better pads on at most. So everybody is driving around on unreliable stock brakes.

90% of sports car drivers are idiots??? You're damn straight. Like I said, I never meant to imply that you had to be stupid to drive a Mitsu. Eclipses are extremely popular among teenage girls around here. Most wrecks are caused by teenage girls around here. It would be flawed logic to say that, based on this, Mitsus are bad cars. It is perfectly true, however, to say that I see a lot of torn up Mitsus. And I don't see a lot of Subaru's period, mostly rich kids with their new WRXs, driving them like absolute wusses.

Had to wiegh in here...


I have no opinion either way, as I have a friend with a Gen1 DSM ('90) that, aside from just being OLD, is in pretty damned good shape, especially considering the kind of performance driving that goes on in there (to be fair, he's an excellent driver, but performance driving puts extra stress on a car), and I have a friend with the same gen talon tsi who has gone through three motors. Too damned much power without the right supporting parts, I guess.

I also have three friends with WRXs, and only one had problems (so far, and aside from cracked windshields). He had a cracked fuel injector that was spraying gas all over his engine. Pretty easy fix, and all is well now.

From that, I really can't have much of an opinion, but I'm still dead set on taking my chances with an EVO (7, 8, who friggin CARES??)

i know this is off the subject...but does anyone know what the fastest speed a wrx(including mods) can go?

Originally posted by TrvlynAlec
i know this is off the subject...but does anyone know what the fastest speed a wrx(including mods) can go?

140-ish on stock gearing. if youre gonna replace gears, anything is possible with enough time and money...