Burnout....

Okay, When during a burnout, how long specifically can you actually hold the brake with no damage besides rubber being burnt....?

Honestly, i really wouldn't hold the brake for too long-i'm guessing after 2 seconds, harm will be done (extra wear etc). Gotta love it though, i love holding it for 1 second while i'm burning out-then releasing and turning my steering all the way to cut into a nice 180.

Another trick, well-you probably know this already but here goes. Instead of just braking at a stop-then hitting the gas, try this.

Let the car roll at 5 mph, then hit the brakes suddenly (just hard enough, don't stomp them) to get some weight to transfer to the front tires-while the weight is shifted (for like that 1/2 second) hit the gas..this makes both wheels spin like crazy because of less weight on them. Plus you don't have to apply the gas to hard. I did this today, i have a 95 v8 tbird, if i don't do what i just described-only my right wheel will peel out.

PS, i don't know how the weight tranfers in a camaro though-my tbird is a boat, with loose suspension so maybe it's easier for my car to throw it's weight forward.

That's because you don't have posi :D I hold the brake rev the engine to about 2k and just let off and punch it the burnout usually lasts until a little after 2nd gear (automatic)

actually there is no damage asside from regular brake pad wear just as if u were stopping your car... i've held it for a good minute b4, no damage...

see this is why i have a manual.....& posi.....& a v8...... best burn outs ever

i have all of those too, just in a roller right now... i used to have an auto, but i changed that :evillol:

gotta love the manuals..... too bad i dont burn my tires anymore though.....i decided it isnt worth it at 200 bucks a tire....only on special occasions now....

yeah.. i used to go out and do burouts all day long.. rotate my back tires and do it again to even em out.. lol, but then the tire bill hit me.. and i decided it wasnt worth it.. even tho it was tons of fun..

yeah.. i used to go out and do burouts all day long.. rotate my back tires and do it again to even em out.. lol, but then the tire bill hit me.. and i decided it wasnt worth it.. even tho it was tons of fun..
Hey Kaotic, Formula gave me your name, u have a 3.4 in your car right?

just get a line lock, B&M has one for under $70 and installation is fairly simple.

same here, with the tire bill putting a halt to lighting em up. Only every now and then.

just get a line lock, B&M has one for under $70 and installation is fairly simple.

line lock is the best ever

same here, with the tire bill putting a halt to lighting em up. Only every now and then.

especially for you cause it took you 3 months to decide which friggen tires you wanted.

heh

i just wait til it rains and tap the gas. its good fun until i need to pull into to traffic. hit the gas and the wheels just spin, almost get t-boned by on-coming traffic...

Doing a stall burn out in a automatic is stupid. It does damage internal parts. It does cause excessive wear on the vehicle.

I have a 2000 V-6 Five speed

Hey Kaotic, Formula gave me your name, u have a 3.4 in your car right?

yep, i have a 3.4, Formula got ahold of me.. i sent you a PM

Burn-offs are for making the tires sticky before a race.The added traction helps your trap time.it doesnt hurt the transmission as bad as idling in gear.If you think doing a brake assisted burn out hurts your transmission,then you should check out what happens to one from sitting at a stop light in drive.And the brakes probably work harder stopping the vehicle,than they do while heating the tires.

it is a good way to break your motor or tranny mount tho

Doing a stall burn out in a automatic is stupid. It does damage internal parts. It does cause excessive wear on the vehicle.

That's why mine is still healthy at a little over 156,900 miles :rolleyes:

lol.. speaking of broken tranny mounts..

That's why mine is still healthy at a little over 156,900 miles :rolleyes:


your not doing stall burnouts with over 500 ft-lbs of torque. The only reason that it is damaging is because if builds MASS ammounts of heat.

From a racing stand point with street tires, there is not really a reason to burn your tires, maybe a few spins to clean them off but nothing more. Hell I only do a 4-5 sec burnout with my slicks and I have gotten 1.58 60' off of them.

Burn-offs are for making the tires sticky before a race.The added traction helps your trap time.it doesnt hurt the transmission as bad as idling in gear.If you think doing a brake assisted burn out hurts your transmission,then you should check out what happens to one from sitting at a stop light in drive.And the brakes probably work harder stopping the vehicle,than they do while heating the tires.

How is having an automatic transmission in gear parked harder on it than doing a stall burnout? when you are in gear and sitting at an idle, the converter is just stalling out. at 800 RPM, it's not making any heat to be concerned about. but at 5k with the planetarys moving and the converter wound tight, its making all sorts of heat.

As far as brake wear, that has always been a debauted issue. On one side you have the people that say it causes less wear because there is not the momentium that a 3300 lbs car has when you are slowing down, but on the other hand, people say that the ammount of power that is being applied and at a constant speed will cause it to wear more. When you are slowing down, you speed gradually decreases so wear is more variable. When you are doing a power brake burnout, your speed is constant or even rising. You brakes will get hotter doing a power brake burnout over just normal slowing down and since heat is the cause for 70% of failure to everything (not a real fact just a nuber thrown out) I belive that it causes more damage.

Look at it this way. It may cause more damage but, when you are around your friends and they are all yelling at you to burn them off or if your at the track, is the fact that it causes wear going to stop you?

if your car is in gear and its parked,you are having an operators malfunction.its either in gear,or its parked.

You would be suprised what power i make running purple gas,since my engine put out 375 horses stock.your grand national may be fast with its turbo,but i think you underestimate the power of a v-8.I spend a great deal of time at actual race tracks,and most GN's dont do what they claim.I build transmissions for a living,and they get just as much wear*sitting at a stop light in gear(meaning drive,second or first)(not in PARK).The wear is put on the clutches inside of the transmission as well as other moving parts.Most manufacturers warn you about idling in gear longer than 30 seconds,in the original owners manual.And even during street racing,if you do a 15 second burnout,your hand will literally stick to the tire,cause the heat put to the rubber.it adds traction,and can aid a person like myself,to get the jump on a ricer.

if the clutches werent partially engauged,then (on an incline)you could take your foot off of the brake,and roll backwards in gear,

clutches don't partially engage on an automatic,if they do, you have a slip. When you are in gear and you foot on the brake idling, your planitary gears are held by restiance to rotation and your converter just spins and stalls. The only thing that slips is the converter and it is suppost to do that.

All the clutches (also known as bands) do in an automatic is lock either the ring gear,or planitary carrier to the case of the tranny, when it does that, it changes the gear ratio in the planitary gear set and you get a gear change.

Street tires (Regualr radials) don't get stiky if you heat them up, they get slipery. If you have bias ply or drag raidals, that is a different story.

This has nothing to do with the power of the almighty v-8 I did not say anything about v-8 vs v-6. All I said is that 97camaroRS is not putting 500 ft-lbs through his tranny.

There is no damage done to an automatic transmission if it is in gear and you are sitting there idling with your foot on the brake.

The only other clutch I can think of in an automatic is the converter lockup clutch, which has nothing to do with gear shifting. (well directly

if the clutches werent partially engauged,then (on an incline)you could take your foot off of the brake,and roll backwards in gear,


That is because of the rated stall (slip speed) of the converter. At idle, it is not transfering enough energy through the fluid to transfer power to the input gear of the first planatary transmission. (in a GM transmission this happens to be the sun gear.)

yep, i have a 3.4, Formula got ahold of me.. i sent you a PM
Yeah that guy Formula is mad cool, we should all get together and throw him a parade or nominate one day a year to him, how does Formula Festivas sound. (I like it)

Yeah that guy Formula is mad cool, we should all get together and throw him a parade or nominate one day a year to him, how does Formula Festivas sound. (I like it)
:loser: ......j/k..lol

Hey thats just mean! and I was going to let you ride on the float at the annual Formula Festivas parade. Forget you.

Hey thats just mean! and I was going to let you ride on the float at the annual Formula Festivas parade. Forget you.
:biggrin: hey i still wanna ride on the float

comeon guys. Its ok to have some posts with general chit chat but, this is a technical post. Lets not hijack this one.

i say that if u are worried about drivetrain wear, then don't drive your car. but if you love driving your car and having fun, who the hell cares if power braking wears out certain parts, it is still damn fun :naughty:

thats the kindof attitude i have.. have fun with your car.. if it breaks, you can always fix it.. and you know what.. whats good is having all that power if you arent gonna show it off every once in awhile.. hell, i even enjoy doing 1 wheel burnouts in my car.. rip that rubber.

hell, i even enjoy doing 1 wheel burnouts in my car.. rip that rubber.
:evillol: :iamwithst