Going Supercharged

can u supercharge a 2003 Eclipse GT? not sure if a post simillar to this excist. if so point me to that direction. i want to fix my eclipse to the max, esp wen i got to keep up with a 2004 GTI 1.8T that will b getting a boost controller, a turbo timer, and some other mod.

yes. rippmods.com sells a supercharger set up for the rs/gs/gt. it is expensive as hell, however, and if you check out some of the bad cases of sds installation on behalf of RIPP at club3g.com, it doesn't seem worth it. i did come across a 3000gt sl with an eaton m90 setup...very impressive but i never could get a hold of the guy to find out what exactly he had to have done to run it...it appeared he had a totally, one-off custom fabricated intake manifold with the blower. *nice*. i am currently in the process of trying to figure out how to sc my gt also. dont forget though, you will obviously need better pistons, headers, bigger injectors, *maybe* a cam kit ($1100...!!), and a GTS or GTZ intake manifold with a throttle body spacer would help tremendously. your looking at about $2500 to $3000 in parts...and the eaton m90 is $2500-ish, i believe.

turbo is better... you dont' have to pull the engine when you install it

turbo is better... you dont' have to pull the engine when you install it

Yes you do.. unless you want your engine to blow.

A turbo is still better, however.

I think he means you dont have to pull the engine if you only run low bost. 9 psi or less.

Eaton M90's are only like $400 from a junkyard (they were OE on the 3800SC GM engines (GTP, Bonneville, Regal, etc)). That's why they're so attractive to use on custom jobs. What sucks about them is that they come with a really funky flange face that you have to make another end to in order to get the boost up to the throttle body or into the intake manifold.

I think he means you dont have to pull the engine if you only run low bost. 9 psi or less.
that and i was pretty sure you didn't have to pull the engine out to install it either...but i may be wrong turbos ARE more efficient though, they reach max boost faster, and are a lot more easily upgradeable and if you keep it under the boost, you can keep your good mpg

16g turbos are only 400 brand new and dsmtraders should have lots for pretty cheap

yep, when you get the funds, you ought to go turbo. Mitsu's and turbos go together like booze and a bachelor party. especially the 4-cyl. ive heard of and seen some atrocities regarding ripps "super charger" here in Fla. they have also had problems with consistancy- headers that dont line up correctly, parts that werent fully machined etc. either way, theres nothing that compares to the sound of that t3/t4 spoolin' up and the bov in action. it sends chills up my spine

turbo is better... you dont' have to pull the engine when you install it


more efficient based on what? s/c's dont need to spool, its all low end power. you could put the smack down on any turbo'd car, plus, assuming you buy everything new, you would spend within $500 either way for both setups including internals if you go big boost. i dont understand what the big fascination is with turbochargers among the 'street racing' scene...

its just a preference. some people are straight turbos and thats what they like. some people loves blowers and thats it. i believe that a turbo is better, but that has nothing to do with the street racing scene

more efficient based on what? s/c's dont need to spool, its all low end power. you could put the smack down on any turbo'd car, plus, assuming you buy everything new, you would spend within $500 either way for both setups including internals if you go big boost. i dont understand what the big fascination is with turbochargers among the 'street racing' scene...
turbos are more efficient because you don't lose horsepower to gain horsepower, you only gain horsepower....s/c DO spool to make boost, we have V6's, mroe torque off the line means not much control w/ spin

turbos are easier in the street racing scene, sure there are domestics w/ s/c's but a lot of imports have turbos from the factory and are light enough to be extremely quick
i mean...shelby DID use turbo chargers for his dodge charger and omni setups in hte 80's the daytona iroc was turbo , eclipse, subaru WRX, evolution, supra, 300zx, mazda RX-7, various volvo's, saab's, VR-4 galant and 3kgt, and a majority of DIESEL engines for trucking companies are turbo and not s/c

turbos are more efficient because you don't lose horsepower to gain horsepower, you only gain horsepower....s/c DO spool to make boost, we have V6's, mroe torque off the line means not much control w/ spin

turbos are easier in the street racing scene, sure there are domestics w/ s/c's but a lot of imports have turbos from the factory and are light enough to be extremely quick
i mean...shelby DID use turbo chargers for his dodge charger and omni setups in hte 80's the daytona iroc was turbo , eclipse, subaru WRX, evolution, supra, 300zx, mazda RX-7, various volvo's, saab's, VR-4 galant and 3kgt, and a majority of DIESEL engines for trucking companies are turbo and not s/c


no...s/c's dont spool, i am referring to roots chargers which are belt driven, not spooled by engine exhaust (not centrifugal's, which dont spool either, they are basicaly belt driven turbos). also, there have been plenty of factory supercharged engines (GTP's, MR2's, Cobra's, Lightnings and Harley f-150's, any Kompressor mercedes, Jag XJR's, Range Rover's, Buick Regal's, Mini Cooper (s)'s even Toyota Previa minivans) so that doesn't mean anything. oh yes, and as far as the shelby's and iroc z's...horrid automotive atrocities...the product of new economic standards that should have never been created. my point is for about the same cost, you can yield the same power gains, but on a lower power band and rpm range which will get you up to speed faster than a turbo that gives you the same gains but a higher band/rpm range. i guess in the end it is all just preference, i myself am more of an american performance guy (having rebuilt a '69 Buick 350 for a trail jeep and a '66 Chevy 327 for a drag/street impala) as opposed to a import street racer. let me just end it with that, i really dont want to turn this into a s/c vs. turbo thread.

eh suit urself, ur gunna kick yourself though when changing boost could be as easy as the flip of a switch

eh suit urself, ur gunna kick yourself though when changing boost could be as easy as the flip of a switch


kick myself? ...no. why would i want to change the boost to the engine? if i went to the trouble of installing a forced induction system, i would have no need to back the hp and trq off any. are you referring to gas prices? why complain about something you cant control? spinning tires on wet roads? thats what i have a jeep for. going to the local track for some 1/4 mile racing? i dont need an e.t. to tell me how fast my car is. you take your little turbo'd car and i will walk all over you anytime, anywhere, on pavement or off road, in any weather and road condition with my roots s/c'd '69 jeep. hell...even before i overhauled the engine i could run circles around tsi awd talons, si's, and wrx's.

I havent been here for awhile... i may have missed out on what you drive jfowler? "pimp your ride". both superchargers and turbos have been proven iron clad when set up correctly. im not gonna get into a piss match with you over which is better. for my application and the general consensus around the tuner market, turbo seems to be the way to go. especially with the four cyl.

I havent been here for awhile... i may have missed out on what you drive jfowler? "pimp your ride". both superchargers and turbos have been proven iron clad when set up correctly. im not gonna get into a piss match with you over which is better. for my application and the general consensus around the tuner market, turbo seems to be the way to go. especially with the four cyl.


pimp my ride? right... as i stated above, its mostly preference. i have nothing against turbos, this was just a response to someone who stated that turbos were way more efficient than s/c's.

btw, its a 2000 eclipse gt (5spd, same as gts model, they just didnt call it that yet.)

pimp my ride? right... as i stated above, its mostly preference. i have nothing against turbos, this was just a response to someone who stated that turbos were way more efficient than s/c's.

btw, its a 2000 eclipse gt (5spd, same as gts model, they just didnt call it that yet.)

how is it the same as a GTS model?

its not, fed specs have a different exhaust system that gives them more power and the cali spec GTS's have the variable intake timing

i'm just saying, with the boost if you wanted more boost later on...say if you got bored, all you'd need to do is flip a switch, adjust a manual boost controller, or hit the buttons on your electronic one instead of having to change belts, you can still upgrade turbos a lot easier, i'm not going turbo on my 3g cuz of the warranty but i'm looking into a 240 or an old school GSX for some boosting fun

its not, fed specs have a different exhaust system that gives them more power and the cali spec GTS's have the variable intake timing

i'm just saying, with the boost if you wanted more boost later on...say if you got bored, all you'd need to do is flip a switch, adjust a manual boost controller, or hit the buttons on your electronic one instead of having to change belts, you can still upgrade turbos a lot easier, i'm not going turbo on my 3g cuz of the warranty but i'm looking into a 240 or an old school GSX for some boosting fun


fair enough...s/c'ing is my game (although i am with you, warranty > forced induction...that is what my '69 jeep is for) though, a gsx would be pretty fun, i have to admit. btw, i was saying my car is similar to the gts in the options aspect (leather, infinity, etc). i realize they are not carbon copies of each other.

while im already here, do either of you gentlemen know if the gts brake rotors are as prone to warping as the earlier model gt's are? mine are already starting to go...also, do gts's have the same throw out bearing rattle in the transaxle? thanks

its not, fed specs have a different exhaust system that gives them more power and the cali spec GTS's have the variable intake timing

i'm just saying, with the boost if you wanted more boost later on...say if you got bored, all you'd need to do is flip a switch, adjust a manual boost controller, or hit the buttons on your electronic one instead of having to change belts, you can still upgrade turbos a lot easier, i'm not going turbo on my 3g cuz of the warranty but i'm looking into a 240 or an old school GSX for some boosting fun


I was gonna say the 00 GT is not the same as a GTS. I was looking to get a new one, but I didn't want to pay the price and I knew that the 00 and 01 GT's were similar to the GTs's, but way cheaper. But I didn't know the actual specs on whats different, so I didn't open my mouth and make myself look stupid... unlike some around here :lol2:

i am not too sure regarding the rotors. a month after i installed my turbo kit, my rotors were shot. ive upgraded to the AEM gt big brake kit w/ the slotted rotors. much better, the difference is almost like night and day. plus it fills in the konigs much better. the problem is most likely common with all 3G's. Mitsu's way of cutting corners to lower costs. either way, the first thing i would suggest any 3G owner to do is to replace their rotors with quality aftermarket ones.
i dont think aftermarket rotors would void your warranty, but who knows.

as for the throw out bearing rattle, i am also not sure, i have a gst sporttronic with the dthree designs flexplate and a rebuilt lsd out of an old 2G gst. flipped the cams, and its good as new. iam sure a fellow gt owner will come along and be able to help.

in the mean time, i'm going up to "super" walmart to pick up a case of keystone light- on sale $9.99

kick myself? ...no. why would i want to change the boost to the engine? if i went to the trouble of installing a forced induction system, i would have no need to back the hp and trq off any. are you referring to gas prices? why complain about something you cant control? spinning tires on wet roads? thats what i have a jeep for. going to the local track for some 1/4 mile racing? i dont need an e.t. to tell me how fast my car is. you take your little turbo'd car and i will walk all over you anytime, anywhere, on pavement or off road, in any weather and road condition with my roots s/c'd '69 jeep. hell...even before i overhauled the engine i could run circles around tsi awd talons, si's, and wrx's.
:eek7:

Everytime you post you make my head hurt. And to say in your other posts that S/Cs are as efficient as turbochargers is just asinine. They both have high and low points, but when we're talking scavenging exhaust gasses versus a parasitic S/C, efficiency shouldn't be a question.

in the mean time, i'm going up to "super" walmart to pick up a case of keystone light- on sale $9.99


lol...nice. thanks for the info

:eek7:

Everytime you post you make my head hurt. And to say in your other posts that S/Cs are as efficient as turbochargers is just asinine. They both have high and low points, but when we're talking scavenging exhaust gasses versus a parasitic S/C, efficiency shouldn't be a question.


well...you obviously have no real experience in the s/c department. your comment regaurding s/c's as parasitic is a failed attempt at using big words...at best. feel free to quote me where i, at any time, specificaly stated that s/c's are as efficient as turbos (this is a forum, dumbass. everything is what we refer to as 'opinionated'). also, im sorry your head hurts, i didn't realize you're only at a first grade reading level.

I was gonna say the 00 GT is not the same as a GTS. I was looking to get a new one, but I didn't want to pay the price and I knew that the 00 and 01 GT's were similar to the GTs's, but way cheaper. But I didn't know the actual specs on whats different, so I didn't open my mouth and make myself look stupid... unlike some around here :lol2:

are you really that concerned with exhaust specs? all the options on both models are the same, they are both the top of the line v6 optioned eclipse. granted, as i posted above (read prior posts, smartass) the gt and gts are not carbon copies of each other (the same even with the different model years of the gt...this is a given to any moron who has ever researched cars in general).

i have not a clue, but i was thinking i could get some brembo stock sized rotors cross drilled and slotted, also get some 00 GT 2 piston calipers instead of the singles we have...however doing this could prove more difficult in practice than in planning

my rotors will be shot before i hit the 25k mark just because i drive hard

also, im sorry your head hurts, i didn't realize you're only at a first grade reading level.Reading levels must be adhusted to your writing style; moron.well...you obviously have no real experience in the s/c department. Yeah, my old mustang had an imaginary kit; moron. your comment regaurding s/c's as parasitic is a failed attempt at using big words...at best.Really? Provide facts.

Read here...assuming you CAN read. http://www.turbocalculator.com/turbocharger-supercharger.html

feel free to quote me where i, at any time, specificaly stated that s/c's are as efficient as turbosmore efficient based on what? Implied by your response above; moron. (this is a forum, dumbass. everything is what we refer to as 'opinionated').Bullshit. The purpose of automotive forums is not to spread opinion about cars and parts, but rater FACT; moron.

Play again.

damn..... well said

:thumbsup: Well said LandoAWD :thumbsup:

JFowler - why not stop with all the personal attacks? All your doing is demeaning yourself and showing your real age. This is a place to come and share real knowledge and and not be trying to piss people off.

btw, its a 2000 eclipse gt (5spd, same as gts model, they just didnt call it that yet.)

the gt and gts are not carbon copies of each other (the same even with the different model years of the gt...this is a given to any moron who has ever researched cars in general).

Oh so now your saying they aren't the same, but yet you were just saying a 00 GT is the same as a GTS. Did YOU have to go research before you came to post to see what the differences are?

In My Personal Opinion, Jfowler85 should've been banned, not crazy_ugly_coyote.

:thumbsup: Well said LandoAWD :thumbsup:

JFowler - why not stop with all the personal attacks? All your doing is demeaning yourself and showing your real age. This is a place to come and share real knowledge and and not be trying to piss people off.





Oh so now your saying they aren't the same, but yet you were just saying a 00 GT is the same as a GTS. Did YOU have to go research before you came to post to see what the differences are?

In My Personal Opinion, Jfowler85 should've been banned, not crazy_ugly_coyote.
Lemme apologize to the rest of you for the aggressive response. I just hate when someone else starts throwing personal attacks with no real post content, so I figured I'd throw both back at him.

Thankyou very much FairyDust. This really makes me feel good. Jflower is going to be reported though if that makes you feel better :)
Making up a new S/N might piss the admins off. I'd explain to them in the post report WHY you did this.

Thankyou very much FairyDust. This really makes me feel good. Jflower is going to be reported though if that makes you feel better

Making up a new S/N might piss the admins off. I'd explain to them in the post report WHY you did this.


where'd you get that qoute from? I didn't see that posted from him anywhere. Am I showing my blonde roots again or what?

And Lando, don't apologize to anyone I think your post was justified given the way he kept talking to you. I don't get why people have to act like that, I guess cause he's sitting behind a monitor and doesn't have to worry about getting his butt kicked.

where'd you get that qoute from? I didn't see that posted from him anywhere. Am I showing my blonde roots again or what?
He must have deleted it. :sly:

thats weird.

And Lando, don't apologize to anyone I think your post was justified given the way he kept talking to you.
I know. I tried to do it the logical way, but he had to throw two insults my way, so I felt obligated to respond in kind.

yeah, I don't deal well when people personally attack me either. I really had to not post for a little while when he called me a moron and smartass because I would get banned I'm sure if I said someting back to that.

Pretty easy going, but if someone pisses me off then I will never like them and I will generally go out of my way to make life miserable for that person. Thats why it really irritates me when people are rude like that at forums and stuff.

I would get banned I'm sure if I said someting back to that.

I regularly walk that line.
:uhoh:

same here, which is why since I do like this forum and I find useful information here I really try not to walk the line here.

Well i must give my 2 cents now. Quote:
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Originally Posted by Elchicoloco86
turbo is better... you dont' have to pull the engine when you install it.

Scince the 2gt motor and the 3gt are basicly the same engine it shouldnt be to difficult to turbo charge it.

I was planning on buying a gts but the older models are much easier to work on and are alot faster than the 3g's. I did some research on the gt vs the gts and there is not really that much of a difference. I know that the gts has v.c timing. but my friend has a gt and he raced a gts and it was a very close race because they are basicly the same car.

For those of you who plan to s/c its going to cost you about 6g's to do so.

As for the s/c vs turbo. It really depends on the car and your prefrence on where you want your power to be.

Damn turbo lag.

Scince the 3g eclipse motor and the 3000gt are basicly the same engine it shouldn't be to difficult to turbo charge it.

correction

it is though because of differences on mounting i believe and limited space

:iagree:

Are you going with a big single turbo or with twin? you should have the space to do so. The turbos will just have to face the oppsite direction. But with all that power to the front wheels you won't you aren't going to anywhere fast.