Mysterious poison gas used in Fallujah, residents claim

Posted: 11/11
From: IslamOnline


US troops are reportedly using chemical weapons and poisonous gas in its large-scale offensive on the Iraqi resistance bastion of Fallujah, a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein’s alleged gassing of the Kurds in 1988.

“The US occupation troops are gassing resistance fighters and confronting them with internationally-banned chemical weapons,” resistance sources told Al-Quds Press Wednesday, November 10.

The fatal weapons led to the deaths of tens of innocent civilians, whose bodies litter sidewalks and streets, they added.

“They use chemical weapons out of despair and helplessness in the face of the steadfast and fierce resistance put up by Fallujah people, who drove US troops out of several districts, hoisting proudly Iraqi flags on them. Resistance has also managed to destroy and set fire to a large number of US tanks and vehicles.

“The US troops have sprayed chemical and nerve gases on resistance fighters, turning them hysteric in a heartbreaking scene,” an Iraqi doctor, who requested anonymity, told Al-Quds Press.

“Some Fallujah residents have been further burnt beyond treatment by poisonous gases,” added resistance fighters, who took part in Golan battles, northwest of Fallujah.

In August last year, the United States admitted dropping the internationally-banned incendiary weapon of napalm on Iraq, despite earlier denials by the Pentagon that the “horrible” weapon had not been used in the three-week invasion of Iraq.

After the offensive on Iraq ended on April 9 last year, Iraqis began to complain about unexploded cluster bombs that still litter their cities.

Media Blackout:

The sources said that the media blackout, the banning of Al-Jazeera satellite channel and subjective embedded journalists played well into the hands of the US military.

“Therefore, US troops opted for using internationally banned weapons to soften the praiseworthy resistance of Fallujah people.

“More and more, the US military edits and censors reports sent by embedded journalists to their respective newspapers and news agencies,” the sources added.

Iraqi Defense Minister Hazem Al-Shaalan had said Tuesday, November 9, would be decisive.

“Al-Shaalan declaration meant nothing but the use of chemical weapons and poisonous gases to down Fallujah fighters,” observers told Al-Quds Press.

The reported gassing stands as a grim reminder of Saddam Hussein's alleged gassing of the Kurdish community in the northern city of Halbja in 1988.

While the West insisted that Saddam was the one behind the heinous attack, the ousted president pointed fingers at the then Iranian regime.

http://mathaba.net/x.htm?http://www.mathaba.net/0_index.shtml?x=82581

Of course,without more proof,I can't say that it happened,but.......

Media blackouts and weapons of mass destruction, sounds like we're the new soviets to me.

Sounds like BS to me without any proof besides this one link.

Would like to see more evidence before makin any conclusion. One web site is not positive evidence in my opinion

Sounds like BS to me without any proof besides this one link.


http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=poison+gas+fallujah&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

If you really wanted more evidence,you'd look for it yourselves.

Since every side in Iraq has a propeganda machine operating at what seems like Warp 9, I take everything I read from Iraq with large grains of salt.
I don't believe either the Americans or the Islamic press.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=poison+gas+fallujah&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

If you really wanted more evidence,you'd look for it yourselves.

Thanks for the link but my only problem is the first 3 pages are all the same story from IPS. The IPS story posted on 30 sites doesn't prove anything except that we have stupid people jumping up and down on any little bit of negative talk against the American soliders.

The liberal chant is getting old. When you have proof besides one IPS story come back and update us.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=poison+gas+fallujah&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

If you really wanted more evidence,you'd look for it yourselves.



Funny, that statement regarding evidence is the same thing I said to you regarding your request fro proof in another thread. Are you using the same stadard for your argument that you apply to everyone elses?

And, I would point out that this is an argument put forward by those who disagree with the US. This does not pass the litmus test you proposed for the Marine shooting. Again, is there more than one standard being used here? I believe so.

There is no proof that either that viewpoint, nor the US viewpoint is correct. We'll never know until it's all over.

I don't trust American media, but I certainly don't trust Islamic media either. Interesting read, though.

And of COURSE the insurgents are going to point the finger. I'm surprised it took them this long to accuse the US of more atrocities.

-edit- whether true or not, and yes I read the articles.

This is exactly why the military allowed reporters to travel with them through the battle of fallujah. Lets see, MSNBC, CNN, Fox news, dozens of newspapers and not one has reported chemical gases used against the insurgents. Good one TARANAKi! :screwy:

I basically posted this for my own amusement.I get so tired of seeing the same old posters starting the same ridiculous threads full of pro-Bush garbage dressed up as journalism.Thought I'd take the time to find something that was blatantly biased and patently unprovable from the other side for a change,just to see who was shallow enough to bite.

Thanks for playing,guys, if you've questioned the value of this thread, perhaps you'd be so good as to refrain from posting any more like it.It's time people stopped making excuses for a deadbeat President with a loose set of marbles.

Posted: 11/11
From: IslamOnline....... [/i]
...and I get acused of stirring shit. :D

...and I get acused of stirring shit. :D

Your links are seldom any less biased. :rolleyes:

This is exactly why the military allowed reporters to travel with them through the battle of fallujah. Lets see, MSNBC, CNN, Fox news, dozens of newspapers and not one has reported chemical gases used against the insurgents. Good one TARANAKi! :screwy:

True, but we have no more reason to believe everything they report, other than for familiarity's sake, or because the U.S. propaganda has done such a thorough job of labelling the Islamic untrustworthy...

True, but we have no more reason to believe everything they report, other than for familiarity's sake, or because the U.S. propaganda has done such a thorough job of labelling the Islamic untrustworthy...Well there are about 50 news sources that were allowed into fallujah. If you dont believe any of them then I dont know what to tell you.

Well there are about 50 news sources that were allowed into fallujah. If you dont believe any of them then I dont know what to tell you.

I'm not saying I don't believe them, in fact, I do, I'm just saying that we have no proof that either side is objective or correct.

I feel with the American media is untrustworthy. They will screw anyone to get their name in the paper. I doubt the media can care less who they screw. Its all about selling newspapers. If they can slam a solider they will, if they can slam the muslims they will. The US media will not hide anything.

I don't know about gassing people - but the cluster bombs have been reported all along.

I think what some of the eye witnesses may be trying to articulate and getting confused about is the use of phosphorous rounds.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=Fallujah%2Bphosphorus&spell=1

As for the Napalm - here's one for y'all.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/military/20030805-9999_1n5bomb.html

I basically posted this for my own amusement.I get so tired of seeing the same old posters starting the same ridiculous threads full of pro-Bush garbage dressed up as journalism.Thought I'd take the time to find something that was blatantly biased and patently unprovable from the other side for a change,just to see who was shallow enough to bite.

Thanks for playing,guys, if you've questioned the value of this thread, perhaps you'd be so good as to refrain from posting any more like it.It's time people stopped making excuses for a deadbeat President with a loose set of marbles.

Nope, I am not buying it. The above is nothing more than a poor attempt to back out of an even poorer allegation collapsing around you. "Blatantly biased and patently unprovable" is true in this case is in many of your posts. Why should I believe this time is any different than the rest?

Perhaps you could replace Dan Rather as his allegations seem to hold about as much weight.

Maybe it was CN or CS gas. We used it to bring little people out of tunnels so we could properly shoot them. It's RIOT gas, and non-fatal. But it will definately make you "hysterical" LOL. The news comes from the same agency that claims the US uses a giant vacuum cleaner to vacuum up all the detroyed American tanks and dead Americans before the Iraqi civilians can see how bad we're getting our ass beat.

Perhaps you could replace Dan Rather

OUCH! That's below the belt right there.





but funny!!

Dan Rather? Ho Ho Ho.
And Maybe Michelle Moore will make a "documentary" movie about it.

Nope, I am not buying it. The above is nothing more than a poor attempt to back out of an even poorer allegation collapsing around you. "

Well,I told you different, if you want to come straight out and call me a liar, you'd better have bigger balls than you've shown thus far.

, you'd better have bigger balls than you've shown thus far.

It doesn’t take any balls to post on the internet. It takes balls to serve in a combat zone but I guess you didn’t learn anything about that in the QUEENS Navy.

I have read enough of your anti-U.S bullshit. You talk a lot of shit about my country and you are so narrow minded its ridiculous. FUCK YOU little man! Yes, I know that I am banned.

It doesn’t take any balls to post on the internet. It takes balls to serve in a combat zone but I guess you didn’t learn anything about that in the QUEENS Navy.

I have read enough of your anti-U.S bullshit. You talk a lot of shit about my country and you are so narrow minded its ridiculous. FUCK YOU little man! Yes, I know that I am banned.

What for?

Being a jerk?

Having balls in an internet forum is a trifle different from in the combat zone.It's more about having some idea of why you hold your beliefs, and the processes by which you get to them.That way, when you come across someone that you disagree with, you are more likely to be able to counter his arguments with a combination of facts, beliefs, case law and research,rather than with single sentence trolling posts that make you look like an undereducated loser.

If you read the forums a little better instead of just skimming them and coming to quick and pre-conceived conclusions, you might have an opinion that matters to me....until then,you are on my ignore list.You ain't worth banning,I don't make martyrs of people with ego issues.Feel free to join Mr No Nuts over there in the corner,if you come to the political forum looking for a redneck brawl rather than a robust exchange of intellect,you're in the wrong place and will continue to be laughed at.

Some pics beginning to surface on this subject of using chemical weapons in Fallujah.

Warning: Graphic picture in link of victims.

http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2004_12_29_raedinthemiddle_archive.html

Some pics beginning to surface on this subject of using chemical weapons in Fallujah.

Warning: Graphic picture in link of victims.

http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2004_12_29_raedinthemiddle_archive.html
I could be wrong however judging by the side of the mans face it looks more like a burn wound, and yes it does look like he's wounded. Besides the chemical and bio weapons that the US has either a) dont leave marks, or b) leave full body swelling, leasions, etc

I have no idea how to interpret that picture in terms of the state of the bodies. The thing that does strike me is the condition of the bodies in comparison to the surroundings.

It is very odd is there are no signs of damage/burning/scorching of the bedding. That suggests to me that either:
a) the weapon used only affects living tissue, or
b) the victims died elsewhere and the picture is staged, or
c) all of the above.

Maybe I just need to turn the brightness up on my monitor or something, but I can't really see much out of the ordinary in that picture...