THE best scratchbuilding tool EVER
Jay!
11-30-2004, 04:02 PM
Can you even imagine all the things you could make?
http://www.versalaser.com/english/index.html
*select image/vector editor of choice*
*draw*draw*draw*draw*
...
*print to styrene*
*print to brass*
*print to glass*
*print to rubber*
:eek2:
Okay, so who wants to "loan" me $10,000? :)
http://www.versalaser.com/english/index.html
*select image/vector editor of choice*
*draw*draw*draw*draw*
...
*print to styrene*
*print to brass*
*print to glass*
*print to rubber*
:eek2:
Okay, so who wants to "loan" me $10,000? :)
RallyRaider
11-30-2004, 04:15 PM
Awesome technology, but I wonder if you could still call a model or master made this way "scratchbuilt"? Now, how long it will be until 3D printers like these become affordable?
mike@af
11-30-2004, 04:23 PM
I think I'd rather have a small CNC Mill for that price.
freakray
11-30-2004, 04:36 PM
I think I'd rather have a small CNC Mill for that price.
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Jay!
11-30-2004, 04:40 PM
RallyRaider
11-30-2004, 04:47 PM
I think I'd rather have a small CNC Mill for that price.
Could you get one for that price? Make it a grand and we'd be in business!
Could you get one for that price? Make it a grand and we'd be in business!
Ferrari TR
11-30-2004, 05:33 PM
10K$ for 2D !
I'll think I'll be shopping for a 'wetjet' or something equally beefy.
:evillol:
I'll think I'll be shopping for a 'wetjet' or something equally beefy.
:evillol:
flyonthewall
11-30-2004, 05:41 PM
I'll take two!
willimo
11-30-2004, 05:45 PM
I'll take two!
Hooray!
Hooray!
mike@af
11-30-2004, 05:51 PM
Could you get one for that price? Make it a grand and we'd be in business!
Yes you can Phil. I've seen 5 axis mills for wheels and other large parts for about $40Grand. You could get a small 3 axis mill for about $10,000, and maybe less. The program costs about $800-$2500. So yes, you could start setting up a small mill for about $10,000 and even less.
Yes you can Phil. I've seen 5 axis mills for wheels and other large parts for about $40Grand. You could get a small 3 axis mill for about $10,000, and maybe less. The program costs about $800-$2500. So yes, you could start setting up a small mill for about $10,000 and even less.
freakray
11-30-2004, 06:09 PM
Meh, you can tell the engineers from the rest :lol:
Laser is great for some things, but you can't beat the versaility of a well run CNC centre for the real stuff.
Not to mention, laser cutting systems rely on an inert gas bath around the cutting tip, that means AR or N depending on the set up, not to mention the laser tips and other peripehrals.
Nah, thinking about it, I think I'll stick with the CNC.
Laser is great for some things, but you can't beat the versaility of a well run CNC centre for the real stuff.
Not to mention, laser cutting systems rely on an inert gas bath around the cutting tip, that means AR or N depending on the set up, not to mention the laser tips and other peripehrals.
Nah, thinking about it, I think I'll stick with the CNC.
SchuberT
11-30-2004, 06:33 PM
A local college here in Oregon is experimenting with this new process called "Rapid Prototyping" where a printer actually prints objects in 3D. It's pretty cool how it works. The printer will make layer after layer of whatever you've drawn up with AutoCAD, whatever, and each layer is glued together to make the final product. The results are pretty cool, and many are pretty strong. One of the coolest things I've seen produced was a large ball bearing that had the balls printed INSIDE the rings; they weren't inserted after printing.
I could be wrong about it being new, but I just heard about it this year.
I could be wrong about it being new, but I just heard about it this year.
Colov99
11-30-2004, 06:48 PM
3D printers have been around for a while. Some use a lazer(could be wrong) to change powder like material into a hard plastic. I saw these at a trade show a few years back. There are others that go back and forth and lay down the matiral one layer at a time. They have been around for a while they just keep getting better.
D_LaMz
11-30-2004, 07:01 PM
Does this printer cut out only flat things or do you cut out a lot of stuff and glue them to make this http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/196146ifle_new.jpg
mike@af
11-30-2004, 07:28 PM
A local college here in Oregon is experimenting with this new process called "Rapid Prototyping" where a printer actually prints objects in 3D. It's pretty cool how it works. The printer will make layer after layer of whatever you've drawn up with AutoCAD, whatever, and each layer is glued together to make the final product. The results are pretty cool, and many are pretty strong. One of the coolest things I've seen produced was a large ball bearing that had the balls printed INSIDE the rings; they weren't inserted after printing.
I could be wrong about it being new, but I just heard about it this year.
Ford uses rapid prototyping. Rapid prototyping uses a pool of liquid plastic to start from, unlike a mill that uses a blank. Its controlled by a coordinate program, CNC. Instead of carving, it uses a laser to "light" the "photocellular" like plastic to a phase of solidity. Its really cool how it works.
Another version of rapid prototyping is like CNC printing. It starts at the bottom and sprays on a new layer plastic each pass, much like a printer except its a 3 axis, not two, and uses plastic as ink. Even though the parts are plastic/polystyrene/thylene/urethane/etc they are incredibly strong...and expensive.
All cool technology.
I could be wrong about it being new, but I just heard about it this year.
Ford uses rapid prototyping. Rapid prototyping uses a pool of liquid plastic to start from, unlike a mill that uses a blank. Its controlled by a coordinate program, CNC. Instead of carving, it uses a laser to "light" the "photocellular" like plastic to a phase of solidity. Its really cool how it works.
Another version of rapid prototyping is like CNC printing. It starts at the bottom and sprays on a new layer plastic each pass, much like a printer except its a 3 axis, not two, and uses plastic as ink. Even though the parts are plastic/polystyrene/thylene/urethane/etc they are incredibly strong...and expensive.
All cool technology.
Dublinguy
12-01-2004, 06:31 AM
Yeah, but....
It uses a "LASER"!!
http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/APDrEvilLaser.gif
:lol2: sorry that actually made me laugh out loud in the office...Im getting some funny looks now.
I am one of the "rest" that Ray is talking about, I know nothing about engineering it does beg the question as Rallyraider stated is it really scratchbuild if it was feasible to use one of these machines, I dont believe it is.
It uses a "LASER"!!
http://itsb.ucsf.edu/~vcr/APDrEvilLaser.gif
:lol2: sorry that actually made me laugh out loud in the office...Im getting some funny looks now.
I am one of the "rest" that Ray is talking about, I know nothing about engineering it does beg the question as Rallyraider stated is it really scratchbuild if it was feasible to use one of these machines, I dont believe it is.
DSM-Mark
12-01-2004, 10:06 AM
At $10K, I think only Hiroboy can afford it....
RP'ing is still very limited. So far, it can only create things in plastic, and converting something from a plastic master to a metal part is very, very difficult. That is why it is used for 'Prototyping'.
One of the coolest things I've made with RPing is a 'solid' appearing object with a honeycomb structure inside, greatly reducing volume of material required.
RP'ing is still very limited. So far, it can only create things in plastic, and converting something from a plastic master to a metal part is very, very difficult. That is why it is used for 'Prototyping'.
One of the coolest things I've made with RPing is a 'solid' appearing object with a honeycomb structure inside, greatly reducing volume of material required.
bvia
12-01-2004, 09:00 PM
In the late ;80's, GM (and thier sub-contractors, i.e. Lotus) used a type of sheet paper based RP system, where in the printer cut a layer of paper and those were glued together (using the printer sheet's number reference) to create "solid body" masters for the Z-R1 32 valve engine...
SchuberT
12-01-2004, 09:36 PM
Another version of rapid prototyping is like CNC printing. It starts at the bottom and sprays on a new layer plastic each pass, much like a printer except its a 3 axis, not two, and uses plastic as ink. Even though the parts are plastic/polystyrene/thylene/urethane/etc they are incredibly strong...and expensive.
Yes, this is what I was talking about :) Thanks for rephrasing.
Yes, this is what I was talking about :) Thanks for rephrasing.
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