Why Did God Put Us Here..??

I firmly believe in God, that being said-i have no real belief in "Religion". If you can grasp that, than ok. Now, i've been reading all these god related posts, and i've always wondered.. What reason for us living, is there?? Why did god make us??

Me, by nature, am very skeptical of somethings.. even god at times. I believe in God, but i always have questions, and i always figured why would you waste your time, and create humans?? And a world none the less. Maybe it's the same as how musicians create music, because they LOVE to. Is that a true answer though??

I also do not believe in the notion at "all things happen for a reason"..yeah, like 10 months year olds being killed.. woman being murdered.. cancer.. aids.. You get me..

It seems like you are asking the age old question...What is the meaning of life?

Well, there is no real facts to this to be honest. But really, what I feel, being a Christian which is bascially believeing in God is:

I think that God has put us here to worship him in everything that we do and do what we can to witness to others about who God is.

I live my life every day trying to do what God wants me to do and hopefully other people will notice that something is different about me and want to know what I have.

Is this kind of what you wanted to hear?

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Very good, yeah i just want your opinions on WHY basically.

I personally believe that if you, as a person where *able* to create life-you would. I know i will be having a wife one of these days, and i definetly want to reproduce, hence creating life.

Another thing, is maybe we are put here just to pass a test so to speak. We were all little babies at one time, and it's so funny how you can become a rich stock broker, musician, teacher, serial killer, rapist etc.. Yeah some of it is having to do with a mental disorder, but most of the time we can *choose* what to do, and become.

In the end, what is gained though. Whats the ultimate purpose? We will never know, ever..until death i believe.

We can only speculate.

my :2cents:

Our souls are just a spark that creates consciousness. Each one of our souls are a very small portion of "God". In essence, we are all one, and together we are God. The truth of our existence is infinitely beyond our comprehentions. Mankind simply cannot come up with the TRUE explanation, it's like trying to imagine a new colour. Evolution is our way of understanding, we might look back on these discussions as barbaric one day. Imagine 10,000 years from now, smoking ganja to get low :smokin:

I think that schizophrenic's have greatly advanced brain activity, an evolutionary mutation... it's just too soon, and can't be handled yet. Or that humanity has found a baseline for brain activity as a collective, and anyone outside this margin has to be crazy. Like if everyone in the world was schizophrenic, then it could be handled.. if you know what i mean. Back in the days of the Pyramid building, perhaps with a MUCH smaller population, schizophrenia would have been called an advantage, or the norm. Its been proven over and over that humans didn't have the mechanical technology needed to build these structures, and we still don't.

anyways.

when we die, we return to "God"... get some rest, then get back to work in reality. Cool eh?

Why do I believe what I believe? Well, one reason to be honest...I was raised that way, it has had a bearing. But mostly because it makes the most sense to me. I look all at all kinds of probablity statistics of how the very fist cell came from prebiotic soup and then everything came from that one cell, it makes more sense to me that there is a higher power that exists. Not only the logic behind it, but I have my heart as well. I feel at peace that I have God in my life and that I have guidence, it is hard to explain exactly what it is like without totally experiencing it.

As for schizophrenia...
For it to be a evolutionary mutation, according to evolutionists, the mutation has to be beneficial to thbe individual. I do not see how schizophrenia is beneficial and so it can not be interpreted as a evolutionary mutation.

As well, I do not believe that we are all "a part of God" and that when we die "we become part of God again". I think God is a completely seperate entity and being from all of us.

What is gained? What is the ultimate purpose?
I honestly have no real fact to give you. But to me it seems that through my person experiences (such as answers to prayer, God keeping me safe, etc. (if you want examples, let me know)) I feel that the ultimate purpose is to live 100% for God and to witness to other people about his love.

I find it hard to believe that a Creator would need our support. He is complete without us. Our imaginations will tell us many things if we convince it to a particular belief. You can look at anything and say, oh that's God, he came right out of heaven and painted the Virgin Mary on my grill cheese sandwich. And people will pay $26,000 for it. It's not that I doubt the existence of our Creator, I give him many thanks for the perfection we live in. I just have doubt in the way people perceive him. I also believe that the ability to love is the pinnacle of our existences, and the most bennificial to our lives... but it's not the sole reason for us being here. We are responsible for our actions, and we are destroying the planet.. but we expect an act of God to fix it... or "save us" into the afterlife. We created the situation the world is in, and we will continue to live in it. Reality is heaven and hell.

Imagine all the people, living for today... :smokin:

To make people like you go "Wtf?"

Honestly who cares why..? We're here, and we die when we die, we dont need to know everything.

Actually, our parents put us here. Ask them why you're here. (cheap labor?)

hmm

as far as im concerned the only "meaning to life" or "purpose of life" is what we personally assign to it.

if you think your here to worship an egotistical god, then have fun, thats your perogative. i for one, think thats a silly reason to exist.

im here because, well, im here. call it evolution, chance, creation, whathave you, the fact remains i am here. and i havent been told by any higher power that im here for a reason, so im going to simply enjoy myself the best i can, and when i die, well, we'll see who's right when the time comes.

so you're asking for the meaning of life, the universe... and everything?

well, the answer is 42. but beyond that it's really up to you.

the correct answer to the question "why?"
i got this right on my philosophy final 2 semesters ago ;) "why not?" but then again... one of my friends wrote "because" and got 100% also... hmmmmm that's another mystery in itself.

but what we're really here for depends on which brand of philosophy you subscribe to.

Im not even going to read your posts. Im tired of hearing this question. Why don't you just go read the bible. It says we were put here to honor and glorify him. Do so and you spend eternity with him in heaven. Choose not to and you can spend eternity in hell. He gave us a fair chance and I could care less about people who go to hell. Off topic though.

My only thing is this...

Everyone asks "What is the purpose of life" and everyone says that no one can come up with the answer.

I have given you an answer, along with many other people before me. It is really the only one that is offered, and the only one that really makes much sense.

The only thing is that people do not want to accept it, so they continue to ask as if no one has offered up a response.

That is my thinking. If there is only one answer around, is there not an outstanding possibility that is is correct??

Everyone asks "What is the purpose of life" and everyone says that no one can come up with the answer.
its a subjective answer. your meaning to life isnt my meaning to life.

I have given you an answer, along with many other people before me. It is really the only one that is offered, and the only one that really makes much sense.
thats, sorry for the insult, an incredably ignorant statement to make. it is not the only one offered. you may feel that way but i invite you to walk into a library any time you like and read several different answers to the question at hand. dont think for a second that your brand of christianity (whatever it may be) is the answer for everyone.

The only thing is that people do not want to accept it, so they continue to ask as if no one has offered up a response.
there are several reasons people like me refuse to accept that as an answer. most of it has to do with the illiogical explination of god. what god would preach acceptance of such suffering? what god would preach such injustice as hell? what god would demand subordination to himself, but fail to offer any proof of their existence? etc etc etc.

that and i refuse to avoid, indeed sacrifice, the joys of this world for the promise of the possibility of another one beyond it.

That is my thinking. If there is only one answer around, is there not an outstanding possibility that is is correct??there isnt just one answer, see above statements

if you think your here to worship an egotistical god, then have fun, thats your perogative.

Who worships an egotistical god??? I know if your referring to the god that the people in here are talking about and the one and only god from the bible then you are sorely mistaken my friend.

Im not even going to read your posts. Im tired of hearing this question. Why don't you just go read the bible. It says we were put here to honor and glorify him. Do so and you spend eternity with him in heaven. Choose not to and you can spend eternity in hell. He gave us a fair chance and I could care less about people who go to hell. Off topic though.


"Welcome to McDonald's, may I take your order please?"

don't you hate processed food? Tastes like plastic and burns your insides... you find that shit everywhere nowadays. If you want good food, you gotta search for that tiny little restaurant hidden in a small corner of the city.

Please enlighten me with some of the other reasons people have said to the question "What is the meaning of life?".

God has given us free will, the choice between right and wrong, with the choice of salvation though living in him. Hell is not injustice, it is simply the opposite of heaven. Really, look at society...hell is what is deserved by all of us, myself included. He has proven his existence. Personally I have had many times where friends should have died, where I should have been hurt or something has happened that is simply unexplainable...other than God, in my opinion.

God is not egotistical either. He has humbled himself greatly, if he really wanted us to worship him he could make us do it. Yet, he has given us free will and our own freedoms to make our choices.

Good posts on this thread bighauns. :thumbsup:


I have purposely tried to stay out of this thread and the evolution thread this time around. I think everyone has heard my side. It's nice to see new blood on here that shares basically the same beliefs as I do.

i should have stayed out of this one as well. DGB454, please enjoy the sense of deja vu.

Please enlighten me with some of the other reasons people have said to the question "What is the meaning of life?".
no problem.

-The meaning of life is to be happy and enjoy myself. Ayn Rand
-Life=suffering. Buddhists
-there is no meaning to life. Nihilists
-the meaning of life is only what we personally ascribe to it. existentialists, me

shall i go on? there are more opinions than just christians. time to start reading something besides the bible.

God has given us free will, the choice between right and wrong, with the choice of salvation though living in him.
why would he do this? to see his own creation fail? fairly sadistic if you ask me. the idea that god gave us a free will is nice, it helps explain away alot of problems in the christian faith. however, it remains that the freewill argument is incredably weak.

Hell is not injustice, it is simply the opposite of heaven. Really, look at society...hell is what is deserved by all of us, myself included.
an eternity of damnation and seperation from happiness for the crimes commited in a very very very short span of time. seems fairly unjust to me. thats like getting life for stealing a candy bar. if you call that justice, i think our argument ends here.

He has proven his existence. Personally I have had many times where friends should have died, where I should have been hurt or something has happened that is simply unexplainable...other than God, in my opinion.
so, its in your oppinion, but its proof that he exists? try again. I personally have seen no proof of god. ive nearly died, and some how, through a stroke of luck, or my own physical ability (long story involving a speeding car, myself, and a median wall) i managed to survive, if not unscathed. not proof. when god comes down to earth and says "hey lennon, whats up? you doing alright? anything i can do for ya?" i might start believing.

God is not egotistical either. He has humbled himself greatly, if he really wanted us to worship him he could make us do it. Yet, he has given us free will and our own freedoms to make our choices.
my comment on the egotistical god (pay attention Z28Josh) was made about the statement you made earlierI think that God has put us here to worship him in everything that we do and do what we can to witness to others about who God is.
if thats not egotistical, i dont know what is. you have the power to create life, so you create life whose sole purpose is to worship you? very egotisitcal, that or god suffers from an inferiority complex. take your pick.

my point is merely this. whether or not god exists, and i'll even grant you that your god does and that s/he'd like me to worship them and accept their teachings, im still not going to. my purpose in life is not to worship something else, or to be submissive, or to accept suffering as a part of gods plan, and to agree that i am inherently evil. i reject the idea that i deserve to go to hell for simply existing and that only through gods grace am i deemed worthy enough to enter heaven.

no, im sorry. even if all thats the case, i reject it. I will not accept that my purpose in life is to submit to another, no matter how powerful. my purpose in life, for me, is to achieve my goals, enjoy all the joys and happiness this world can offer, and general have a good go at this thing called life. and if god's got a problem with that, s/he can come down here and we'll talk it out over coffee (or whiskey. im convinced if god exists, s/he must be irish). i'll even pay.

Wow.
Smurf, I am in awe in the sound reasoning in your argument. Logical, reasonable and concise.
This thread begs the question that God did put us here, and I, as the resident militant athiest find this assumption ludicrous.

Well, if your near death experience is not proof, then fine. Personally, I can look around and see "something" working in others people lives around me, I believe it to be God. In that short short span of time, we have been given amazing GRACE by God to try and worship to OTHERS and make others lives complete and awesome by finding eternal peace and life. The purpose is not to simply worship God. It is to wroship God by witnessing to others, caring for them, and doing what you can to help them, in a nutshell.

I think that this is rather logical, as I have chosen to open my eyes to others opinons, and in this case I think it makes the most sense.

I do not think that it is at all logical that there in no purpose in life. If the purpose is self-fullfilment, we are on a great track with the way that world and soceity is going. Its just a matter of time until people are unjustly screwed over and out of luck.

This way, everyone can live in conjunction with each other, at peace and have a real reason to get up in the morning.

BTW->Thanks DBG454

Personally, I can look around and see "something" working in others people lives around me, I believe it to be God.

That's good, since YOU believe it to be God, then it must be true!?

In that short short span of time, we have been given amazing GRACE by God to try and worship to OTHERS and make others lives complete and awesome by finding eternal peace and life. The purpose is not to simply worship God. It is to wroship God by witnessing to others, caring for them, and doing what you can to help them, in a nutshell.

Again, that is YOUR choice in life. It is a healthy choice, but did a supreme being actually come down and assign you this duty?

I think that this is rather logical, as I have chosen to open my eyes to others opinons, and in this case I think it makes the most sense.

Others opinions?? Take a look at this thread, it is YOU trying to convince us that your religion is the only truth. You didn't even consider any of the ideas I originally came up with. And if you don't mind me saying, I think they were pretty damn open minded LOL :wink:

I do not think that it is at all logical that there in no purpose in life. If the purpose is self-fullfilment, we are on a great track with the way that world and soceity is going. Its just a matter of time until people are unjustly screwed over and out of luck.

This way, everyone can live in conjunction with each other, at peace and have a real reason to get up in the morning.

Again, this is just your religion assigning meaning to life. God didn't give us religion, man created it. Imagine you were born in a deserted forest, you grow up there, and live your entire life in this forest. What would your beliefs be then? What would your beliefs be if you were born in Iraq, or Japan, or Brazil? The truth is, all we really know is ourselves... and hell, our bodies don't even belong to us, the Earth gave them to us, and will take them back someday.

I noticed that you're from Lethbridge, if you don't mind me asking(you don't have to answer), is the religion that you follow Mormon?

dirtydx pretty much summed it up. you missed the point where i wasnt trying to disprove your religion, but merely point out that there are other takes on "the meaning of life"

it is, in fact, more logical to say there is no meaning to life, than it is to make the jump from "God put us here" to "God put us here to worship him, and tell others to worship him."

if it was our sole purpose to worship god and make our lives fulfilled through god, dont you think s/he would have made us with that knowledge and fulfillment built in, if for no other reason than to save you the trouble of trying to convince me?

but anyways, im straying. there are more takes on the meaning of life than just the christian one. glad you finally came around to realize that.

this isn't a question that we can find an answer we all agree upon. we all have different philosophies, different beliefs, different priorities.

if i took parts from Hindu tradition and added them to automotive basis, i could argue that God came in the form of Colin Chapman... would it be right? NO. but if it's what i want to believe you can't argue it.

religion is subjective, simple as that. the point i'm trying to make is: you have your God, who wants you to do everything (including worship,if that floats your boat) in the best way you. and mine wants me to do it my way. what everyone seems to fail to see, is that they are both the same God...

it's awesome to see how many different pholosiphical viewpoints are held by members here

Your right, it is kinda cool to see all the views here. And really, I can totally see your point, and I really have no proof, as I have said. All I am saying is that to me, I have personally seen proof and that is really all I can offer you guys. That is what I am trying to say and convince. You seem kinda angry with me, please dont let this go with all bad attitudes as that is not my goal. This has been a fun debate, and I really have nothing more.

I am not saying that that is all and I am wrong, but I am not saying I am right, at least to you. I feel that I am right because, as I said, I have had personally experiences.

So, good job, this is quite possibly the most intelligent converstation I have had with someone about this in a long time, thanks for looking at my views and understanding where I am comming from.

Just to say...I am not close minded, I am listening to what you are saying and totally digesting it, just to ME it does not make sense, that is what my whole stand was in this discussion.

Thanks!!

Peace.

another one of my problems with religion, because you asked for it :smile: , is that it wants you to love for the sake of God. Just feels fake to me, loving because you want to impress someone else. Doesn't work that way.


anyways.... here's something else


maybe we're just entertainment. :smokin:

Hey lets create a planet, put a bunch of different coloured people on it. Give them some imagination, give them some emotions, give them some technology, then watch and see what happens. But first, we'll bury some big ass dinosaur bones, some ape-man bones, build a few pyramids, write a bible, put a moon in the sky, and invent some crazy hallucinogenic drugs. Its a non-stop, comedy, drama, horror, romance, action show.

Imagine that "they" could also hear every one of our thoughts at the same time. I'd watch it... maybe we've already watched it, and now its our turn to act out this mother fucker.

no anger here.

all i was doing was pointing out the subjectivity of it all.

haha, dirtydx, that was wicked funny...

but about your religion point...
it doesnt work if you really dont want to do it. Sure, you do it because God asked, but really it has to be whole-harted. There is no question about it, it cant be fake...just so you know that is how the "religion" part of it works.

Ok, I know it's a little old, but just because he didn't answer, I am friends with bighauns, we attend the same church, and we are most definately NOT mormon. Believe it or not, we see as many or more flaws* in their religion than many
of you see in ours.


*flaws isn't really the right word, but I really canot think tonight, I will try to remember to edit this later

Okay, not sure what all that is about as I did not read this whole thread...

With mormonism and its "flaws"...

What I see with mormonism is a great deal of awesome morals and great beliefs....

However, their soul purpose in life is to get to a higher left by works done here on earth. That I believe is not really faith, it is working for yourself so really that is my big issue personally.

I firmly believe in God, that being said-i have no real belief in "Religion". If you can grasp that, than ok. Now, i've been reading all these god related posts, and i've always wondered.. What reason for us living, is there?? Why did god make us??

Me, by nature, am very skeptical of somethings.. even god at times. I believe in God, but i always have questions, and i always figured why would you waste your time, and create humans?? And a world none the less. Maybe it's the same as how musicians create music, because they LOVE to. Is that a true answer though??

I also do not believe in the notion at "all things happen for a reason"..yeah, like 10 months year olds being killed.. woman being murdered.. cancer.. aids.. You get me..

This probably isn't what you're looking for, and I don't want to get into another evolutionary argument, so that part will stay out of it. Anyways, assuming evolution occurs, your question is moot. We live simply to carry on life process, just like every other life form on earth. There is no meaning to life, no higher purpose.

There is meaning to life and a higher power.


That higher power wants you to try on hats. Lots of them.

The meaning of life is the adventure it is, I do belive things do happen for a reason, 10 year old being killed ....... bad seed, woman murdered ...... she would have bore a child who would have one day killed millions, aids ....... trying to scare people into abstaning from sex to control population growth ....... any number of possibilites .... maybe we are a science experiment ..... or like you said, he just likes doing this ..... why do you work on cars?

Those who have ever looked into the beliefs of native people, or tribesmen. Would know of an ancient myth of millions of serpent like creatures falling from the sky. They came here because they were fleeing from an enemy. Those who describe what the serpent creature looks like, the closest thing to compare it to is a twisted ladder... or a strand of DNA.

The serpent was cast out of heaven.

DNA creates life.

you also know the ugliness that lives inside of humanity. Maybe we're just angels cleansing out the bad. Doing a job...

or maybe we are the serpent, and this is our punishment for messing with god.

just a random thought :p

why do people have aquariums?

funny but you actually feed those fish everyday.

why do people have cats?



subconciously (or however you spell that) you hypocritically ask these questions.


"fear me and keep my commandments, this is your all"

to your dog "do what i say, and be a good dog"

re: youngvr4


Yeah but fish naturally are free creatures, we made them into pets. The same with cats.

god has never asked me to pull tricks for him. Only other humans have told me "his" word, thus trying to cage me.

re: youngvr4


Yeah but fish naturally are free creatures, we made them into pets. The same with cats.

it was a concpet, of course its not to the exact of gods reason
just the same sorta concept.


maybe only some people can understand him or hear or recognize his voice when they hear it. maybe this maybe that. could be any reason.

one of my fish kept attacking the othe fish, so i flushed it down the toillette. and that fish has no clue as to why he was flushed down.

and we as humans compared to god are only fish.............well maybe dogs. since we can understand some things, but not all, not by a long shot.

Why did God put us here? If you had the power to create a world full of intelligent, thinking, human beings with feelings and emotions - wouldn't you create such a world and then fuck with your creations like some sadistic SOB? That's what I would do, too. God bless.

so god is directly to blame for your problems then?

Look people. Lets get real. While everyone sits around and argues the meaning of life we are destroying the planet. Technology is to blame for aids, cancer, and many of the other problems we now have in the world, while everyone searches for a nice "everything must happen for a reason" answer to justify the continued destruction of our Earth. And money is still in control of everyones life. Gotta love it.

Or the next copuot, christianity. If you beleive in Chritianity then lets talk history. Chirstianity is responsible for more deaths and cultural genocide then anyother religion in history. If you beleive in the Christian religion your just beleiving in old Sumerian beleifs anyways (epic of gilgamesh-noahs ark, Dilmun-garden of Eden, 7 day creation, idea of "sin") need I say more? The Old testament as we know it, as well as tribal nomaic life of the Hebrew tribes trying to live tribally among two advanced civilazations (Egypt and Sumeria) is historically proven to be influenced heavily by both said civilazations.
New Testament well we have Constantine the great and the council of Nicea to thank for the nice made up stories about stolen ideas from the Hebrew religion made up by people sitting around Rome some 400 years later (who never lived a day of traditional Hebrew nomadic tribal ways ever in their life )and basing all the stories of some four different people (one carpenter, one Greek and two other religion leaders from same era who supposedy died then came back again for mankind) as well as Egyptian, Sumerian and Babylonian beliefs all for a simple political move to make Rome more powerful. The end result was something the people were so forcefed that its impossible to tell what really happened but hey if the Hebrews themselves say that Jesus was not the Messiah (he was one of their own and it was their religion they would know the details) then mabye we should have taken their word for it ya know. This religion then snowballs and takes over the world. Go to the Vatican and see the vote tallies form the council of Nicea yourself. If Christians are going to reject buddist & everyone elses opinions then at least let me remind you to really know your history. I am not a christian and never will be but I feel that rehashing the Christian vs. everyone else debate will not work cuz the Christians never seem listen (although I bet the scientists of the manhatten project who invented the atomic bomb had a bible on their bedside table and considered themselves good christians) and all thats left is everyone really missing some of todays more pressing issues. And besides if christianity was really the be all end all answer the world really needs don't you think it would have worked by now? I feel it's time a few christians became a little more open minded to what people of other forms of spirituality have to say, so here's my two cents:

No one can really answer why "God" put us here but people all over the world have different ideas about god or why we may be here and it's never going to match up to one universal form of spirituality because ideas about spirituality are heavily based on regional daily life as well as phenomena experienced by different groups of people on this planet at different times. You know different strokes, different folks, and everyone has a good opionion about something if people will just listen.

People of all religions and races have a common enemy and that is impending planetary desturction, global warming, weapons all countries have developed that could kill off all human life, the breakdown of familial structures worldwide, aids, pollution, cancer, homeless children, and greed. Mankind is getting too big for his britches and it is getting potentially hazourdous not just to humans but ALL life on this planet. We all like to act like the world is put here for our individual benefit and most of us fail to realize we have to share the earth with animals and plants etc..., as well as each other.

I personally think there is nothing that compares to the human spirit and we can change ourselves and our environment from this downhill slope of environmental, and cultural destructions we just have to remember we are all related and we need to quit arguing over religon for one thing and get back to basic human nature of trying to help one another and survival. Maybe we can turn things around for our planet and leave the word better then it was left for us.