Whats better....

just wondering ehat u guys think,

do u think that if like you are a bit fat it is best to strip the fat first nand gain the muscle later then u would get that cut look. Or does working out and cardio have the same effect. Cos like you would always have the fat there if you didnt lose it upfront.

build muscle first, the fat will help with this it has a lot of nutrients, etc stored in it and you will build muscle faster with it than without it. You should be doing the cardio for the whole time tho, burn it off SLOWLY, if you lose it quick then you wont have much energy and working out will be very hard.

Yeah right, if that was true, fat people wouldn't BE fat...

IMO, you need to lose the fat first, and then work out.

You will lose fat as a result of working out, well from cardio, working out is fairly anerobic.

nah you need cardio, takes almost 4000 calories to burn off 1 lb of fat, lifting for an hour burns mabe 4-500 if you bust ass/depending on your size, You HAVE to eat right, and you HAVE to do some sort of cardio to lose weight if your metablism isnt naturally high

[QUOTE=96Civ]Yeah right, if that was true, fat people wouldn't BE fat...

IMO, you need to lose the fat first, and then work out.[/QUOT

your gonna have to explain your thinking

yeah but wat if u want to gain weight?

[QUOTE=96Civ]Yeah right, if that was true, fat people wouldn't BE fat...

IMO, you need to lose the fat first, and then work out.[/QUOT

your gonna have to explain your thinking

You lose very little fat by working out. You need to diet to lose the fat, then work out hard and eat as much as you can. That way the energy isnt converted to fat, but to muscle. You cant diet as your working out because you have no energy. Do you see what I am saying? Btw, this is all in my opinion and is not to be taken as truth. Everyone has different DNA, so this doesn't always work, but from experience, this works decently.

Why not do it in stages? Lose 1/3 of your target weight, put 2kg back on in muscle, lose another 1/3 etc. Focus on both in stages should give great results.

Why not do it in stages? Lose 1/3 of your target weight, put 2kg back on in muscle, lose another 1/3 etc. Focus on both in stages should give great results.

But dont you agree you need to lose it before you gain it?

You lose very little fat by working out. You need to diet to lose the fat, then work out hard and eat as much as you can. That way the energy isnt converted to fat, but to muscle. You cant diet as your working out because you have no energy. Do you see what I am saying? Btw, this is all in my opinion and is not to be taken as truth. Everyone has different DNA, so this doesn't always work, but from experience, this works decently.
listen to him^^ it's EXTREMELY hard to gain a lot of muscle without taken in a lot of calories. if your taking in a lot of calories your not going to loose fat. you can get strong (lift and eat a ton) and then loose the fat but when you cut cals your going to loose muscle too. loose fat then add the muscle. thats what i'm doing right now, once i loose 5lbs, i'll be 225 and then i'm going to add on about 15lbs of muscle over the next 6 months. don't listen to leadfootGTP, he said he ways 275, needless to say he probably doesn't have a six pac.

make sure when your cutting weight keep the protein intake high (1.5g-2g per pound of bodyweight) to eliminate a lot of muscle loss from the get go.

don't listen to leadfootGTP, he said he ways 275, needless to say he probably doesn't have a six pac.

weather or not i have a six pack has very little to do with what i know about fitness and nutrition. As an all conference football player with all-area honerable mention as a junior, and as a 16 year old with a 325 bench, 400+ squat, and 500+ deadlift (and ive never taken any dietary supplements to help that, not even protien) i do know a thing or two about fitness.







you can do it either way, fat first muscle second, muscle first fat second, ive heard of and seen people do both. The most important part is being dedicated to your diet and exercise program

im not impressed...

and he said he wants that "cut look" and i've never seen a 275lb guy with a six pack, unless your name is Ron Coleman or Jay Cutler. and i never said you didn't know how to lift.

aww, "kornflakes" isnt impressed. darn. mabe ill get over it.

just let it go, i wasn't making fun of you. now i believe you when you said you're 16

your arguing with the 16 year old over who you are talking about the internet, your no better. if you cant figure that out fer yourself than this is hopeless and yeah i guess your right we should drop it.

Settle children.

Six-packs are the universally accepted symbol amongst society as to wether or nto a person is fit. This stands regardless of actuality where someone can not have a six pack and remain in excellent shape. It all has to do with your build (meso, endo, ecto) and other genetic properties.

The simple fact is that fat insulates muscle, everyone has fat, some more than others. If you do any aerobic exercise, you will burn fat, the longer, the more fat burned, as aerobic exercise draws on energy from long term storage cells, fat cells. Lifting is mostly anerobic, just exhausting the anerobic groups (I think the legs are the only real aerobic groups) and as GP said, burns next to no fat at all.

However, if you combine Cardio + Lifting, you will burn fat and gain muscle simultaneously. So any intial overall size will be hard to notice, strength gains will be the first signs. Also keep in mind that if you're new to lifting, muscles first get a little smaller as they become more dense, before they grow. It took me a couple months before I put on any size at all.

if you combine Cardio + Lifting, you will burn fat and gain muscle simultaneously. So any intial overall size will be hard to notice, strength gains will be the first signs. Also keep in mind that if you're new to lifting, muscles first get a little smaller as they become more dense, before they grow. It took me a couple months before I put on any size at all.
^good point^ i think this is your best bet pnoiSR20, like i said you wont gain a ton of weight by doing this but you will get stronger and if you stick to it you definitely will get that "cut look". don't shy away from supplements either, protein is your best friend when you're trying to add muscle!