Help me!
knightvision
11-28-2004, 11:04 AM
That's my Ford Mustang so far.
http://img34.exs.cx/img34/2181/mustang1-2.jpg
I've got a serious problem with the outlines. I don't know how to say it in English, the german word is just "krakelig" - you may see what I mean.
I can't define the outlines and it's hard to define it. the drawing is on A4 (about letter format) and I really did not drink too much coffee before, and I was even not frightened of anything. How can I get rid of those wavy lines?
Thanks for comments!
http://img34.exs.cx/img34/2181/mustang1-2.jpg
I've got a serious problem with the outlines. I don't know how to say it in English, the german word is just "krakelig" - you may see what I mean.
I can't define the outlines and it's hard to define it. the drawing is on A4 (about letter format) and I really did not drink too much coffee before, and I was even not frightened of anything. How can I get rid of those wavy lines?
Thanks for comments!
mike@af
11-28-2004, 06:32 PM
Ruler and french curves. Dont be afraid to make your own templates and guides out of thin carboard or posterboard
KustmAce
11-28-2004, 07:11 PM
:iagree:
Just practice drawing steady lines.
And for further reference, if you ever need help with English, try this site: Clicky (http://www.freetranslation.com/)
Post more drawings!
Just practice drawing steady lines.
And for further reference, if you ever need help with English, try this site: Clicky (http://www.freetranslation.com/)
Post more drawings!
lemorris
11-28-2004, 07:23 PM
Just relax...you're drawing...enjoy it. You have a great skill that you can learn and grow with. Have fun.
From a technique stand point try drawing more with your arm and less with your hand. Before you put pencil to paper lightly run your pencil over the line you plan to draw. By doing this a few times you build a memory of your line in your arm and mind. Try it, it's amazing!! Just like an alternator belt in a car your mind and arm will remember the line it has practiced and then you will render it based on that.
Athletes do it all the time. Before they shoot the freethrow, or jump the high jump they mentally rehearse.
Try it.
Enjoy.
-Lemorris
From a technique stand point try drawing more with your arm and less with your hand. Before you put pencil to paper lightly run your pencil over the line you plan to draw. By doing this a few times you build a memory of your line in your arm and mind. Try it, it's amazing!! Just like an alternator belt in a car your mind and arm will remember the line it has practiced and then you will render it based on that.
Athletes do it all the time. Before they shoot the freethrow, or jump the high jump they mentally rehearse.
Try it.
Enjoy.
-Lemorris
bonzelite
11-29-2004, 03:12 AM
as lemorris says, use your WHOLE ARM when you draw. make broad sweeping strokes with your arm and hand. your drawing is messy and scratchy-looking. it says to me that you are only feathering the lines with your wrist.
use the whole body in motion.
and work on your front wheel.
use the whole body in motion.
and work on your front wheel.
knightvision
11-29-2004, 08:22 AM
Thanks guys!
I tried to hover with my arm over the sheet, not touching it, and it worked!
I also found out the faster i draw the line, the straighter it is - but unfortunately it's harder to control.
I guess I was used to rest my hand on the paer because in the past, I only did smaller sketches where you don't have to move your hand at all.
@ gtmike400: can you explain what french curves are? Anything with Bezier-curves?
@ bonzelite: the wheel does in fact look a bit strange - I didn't notice that. But the whole part under the bumper gets black anyway - it's not needed to figure out the tread of the tire.
And yeah - drawing is a real pleasure. Great to chill out.
Did that some days ago:
http://img120.exs.cx/img120/2152/vwpoject.jpg
I'm quite satisfied with it so far, only the light reflections on the windows are a bit weird...
please comment
By the way...
you're all from the U.S., right? Is it true that you don't have any istitution that controls the vehicles on your streets?
I saw a show on TV where Jay Lenno showed some of his cars - the german TUV would never allow him to drive them here. They are so stupid, they even don't allow carbon spoilers (because they are too sharp...). Every change you make has to be checked by the TUV ($$$),then you get an entry in your car document. Most of the "Pimp my ride" cars would not be allowed on our roads.
Please tell me!
I tried to hover with my arm over the sheet, not touching it, and it worked!
I also found out the faster i draw the line, the straighter it is - but unfortunately it's harder to control.
I guess I was used to rest my hand on the paer because in the past, I only did smaller sketches where you don't have to move your hand at all.
@ gtmike400: can you explain what french curves are? Anything with Bezier-curves?
@ bonzelite: the wheel does in fact look a bit strange - I didn't notice that. But the whole part under the bumper gets black anyway - it's not needed to figure out the tread of the tire.
And yeah - drawing is a real pleasure. Great to chill out.
Did that some days ago:
http://img120.exs.cx/img120/2152/vwpoject.jpg
I'm quite satisfied with it so far, only the light reflections on the windows are a bit weird...
please comment
By the way...
you're all from the U.S., right? Is it true that you don't have any istitution that controls the vehicles on your streets?
I saw a show on TV where Jay Lenno showed some of his cars - the german TUV would never allow him to drive them here. They are so stupid, they even don't allow carbon spoilers (because they are too sharp...). Every change you make has to be checked by the TUV ($$$),then you get an entry in your car document. Most of the "Pimp my ride" cars would not be allowed on our roads.
Please tell me!
bonzelite
11-29-2004, 01:05 PM
knight, i am glad your drawing has improved by using our comments.
i like your VW concepts. the top one is the most complete idea, and is the strongest.
there are regulations in the USA for modifications on cars. most of the rules are about pollution control devices. and the color of the car's turn signal lights. some police will stop you for a loud exhaust. most will not, though.
also, it is illegal to have the car lowered too far, but few police enforce this. wings, body kits, are all legal as long as the car has the lights working and is not a polluter. however, there are many people who drive illegally, and are never discovered. all of jay leno's cars that he drives are probably street legal eventhough some look ridiculous. as long as the car is too old to be checked for smog, and has all of the lights working, has no bad damage to the glass or tires, it is legal. i suppose laws here in the USA are more relaxed than in germany.
but in germany you guys have the autobahn highways without a speed limit. that would never happen in the united states.
i like your VW concepts. the top one is the most complete idea, and is the strongest.
there are regulations in the USA for modifications on cars. most of the rules are about pollution control devices. and the color of the car's turn signal lights. some police will stop you for a loud exhaust. most will not, though.
also, it is illegal to have the car lowered too far, but few police enforce this. wings, body kits, are all legal as long as the car has the lights working and is not a polluter. however, there are many people who drive illegally, and are never discovered. all of jay leno's cars that he drives are probably street legal eventhough some look ridiculous. as long as the car is too old to be checked for smog, and has all of the lights working, has no bad damage to the glass or tires, it is legal. i suppose laws here in the USA are more relaxed than in germany.
but in germany you guys have the autobahn highways without a speed limit. that would never happen in the united states.
knightvision
11-30-2004, 09:01 AM
lol, that's great you know our Autobahn! Even the Swiss do, so when they want to take a ride, they drive on our Autobahn. Some years ago, I saw a race: a corvette against a Porsche - both with swiss signs.
Your speed limit is 60 miles, I guess, about 130 km/h, that's really a bit slow.
Well, our government don't needs to make an speed limit. the gas prices are so high that most people just don't have money to race...
Your speed limit is 60 miles, I guess, about 130 km/h, that's really a bit slow.
Well, our government don't needs to make an speed limit. the gas prices are so high that most people just don't have money to race...
bonzelite
11-30-2004, 03:16 PM
lol, that's great you know our Autobahn! Even the Swiss
Your speed limit is 60 miles, I guess, about 130 km/h, that's really a bit slow.
in rural areas, the speed limit is 75mph. people will drive over this, though. like 90-100mph. this is still slow compared to autobahn speeds! the fastest i have ever driven is 135mph. and that was scary.
i know this is gotten off-topic.
do you have any versions of the mustang that are redrawn with better lines?
Your speed limit is 60 miles, I guess, about 130 km/h, that's really a bit slow.
in rural areas, the speed limit is 75mph. people will drive over this, though. like 90-100mph. this is still slow compared to autobahn speeds! the fastest i have ever driven is 135mph. and that was scary.
i know this is gotten off-topic.
do you have any versions of the mustang that are redrawn with better lines?
knightvision
12-01-2004, 11:28 AM
No, not yet.
There's a lot to do for schhol, you know, Cristmas is near and every teacher wants to give us a special gift (a class test)... :screwy:
Btw, only a few segments of our autobahn have no speed limit. It's not like driving 100 km at 180 km/h. :disappoin
There's a lot to do for schhol, you know, Cristmas is near and every teacher wants to give us a special gift (a class test)... :screwy:
Btw, only a few segments of our autobahn have no speed limit. It's not like driving 100 km at 180 km/h. :disappoin
bushman_XXL
12-27-2004, 10:16 PM
schön wenns noch einen deutschen hier gibt :D
but now in english ;)
i like it , that you drew a ´68 fastback , thats my favorite car , but to me its difficult to draw , im drawing since i´m 10 years old , but i am still a little noob in that :P
but now in english ;)
i like it , that you drew a ´68 fastback , thats my favorite car , but to me its difficult to draw , im drawing since i´m 10 years old , but i am still a little noob in that :P
HighOctaneNOSUser
12-28-2004, 12:46 AM
Well, how old are you now?
I'm only 13...I've been drawing since 2...and only started doing 3/4 car drawings 2 years ago. It takes time, but just practice, you'll get it...
I'm only 13...I've been drawing since 2...and only started doing 3/4 car drawings 2 years ago. It takes time, but just practice, you'll get it...
asaenz
12-28-2004, 02:43 AM
That is awesome, you are only 13 your sketches look great. It seems you are getting some good help from the folks here. I just wanted to say keep up the good work.
al
Here is a link to help you learn drawing wheels
Your body lines look very accurate (mustang)
http://www.drawthrough.com/tutorials/index.html
see "Drawing Ellipses"
al
Here is a link to help you learn drawing wheels
Your body lines look very accurate (mustang)
http://www.drawthrough.com/tutorials/index.html
see "Drawing Ellipses"
stuffbyalex
12-28-2004, 02:48 AM
Nice work. You have awesome potential... btw, this is an old thread
Alex
Alex
bushman_XXL
12-28-2004, 06:40 AM
@goth
i´m 16 years old ...
but i was not only drawing cars , the most time mangas :/ and i had about 1 year a brake .
i´m 16 years old ...
but i was not only drawing cars , the most time mangas :/ and i had about 1 year a brake .
HighOctaneNOSUser
12-28-2004, 02:44 PM
Ahh...Ps, Goth is my Avatar, not my name:p
But any sort of drawing will help keep your lines, shapes, perspective in line. It will basically keep you i ntune. Just, maybe, set a time block, and see how many times you can draw the same object, and look at the difference. You'd be surprised, it also helps with doing long drawings...
But any sort of drawing will help keep your lines, shapes, perspective in line. It will basically keep you i ntune. Just, maybe, set a time block, and see how many times you can draw the same object, and look at the difference. You'd be surprised, it also helps with doing long drawings...
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