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TexasF355F1
11-23-2004, 11:24 AM
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75774

Heard it on Fox this morning after class. Should be interesting to see what twists and turns this little escapade takes.

2strokebloke
11-23-2004, 11:47 AM
Mexico is threatening to sell him cheap souvenirs if he enters their country. Everybody has it out for him.

TexasF355F1
11-23-2004, 12:00 PM
Mexico is threatening to sell him cheap souvenirs if he enters their country. Everybody has it out for him.
:lol2: The little kids will run up to him selling chicklets.

YogsVR4
11-23-2004, 12:28 PM
Its amount to less then the suit brought about in Brussels last year (or was that the year before?) There is 0% chance that Canada is going to arrest the president.

I got a kick out of this Oddly enough, Canada may be one of the few places where someone like Bush could be brought to justice. Impeachment in the U.S. is most unlikely. And, at Bush's insistence, the new international criminal court has no jurisdiction over any American.

And just how does the author think that Canada can bring 'someone like Bush to justice.'? I suppose he'll demand that the Canadian Mounties go arrest him :screwy:













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Tehvisseeus
11-23-2004, 01:52 PM
Would be interesting to see what would happen if they actually tried to pull this, but its got about a .000000001% chance of success seeing as none of the arguements against him would hold any water in a court of law.

Flatrater
11-23-2004, 03:43 PM
If war crimes were committed in Iraq wouldn't it be a crime for the rest of the world and the UN not to do anything about it? Why hasn't the UN said anything besides one little statement?

I doubt it will ever happen but it would make some worthwhile reading material. Would Canada scarfice everything that they share with America?

Heep
11-23-2004, 04:16 PM
I doubt it would happen, but I agree with it. This whole Iraq thing has pissed me off ever since it was first mentioned way back when.

BTW, your thread title is quite misleading, basically saying Canada will indict Bush, not that he merely falls into the Canadian definition of a war criminal as the article mentions...

TexasF355F1
11-23-2004, 04:40 PM
I doubt it would happen, but I agree with it. This whole Iraq thing has pissed me off ever since it was first mentioned way back when.

BTW, your thread title is quite misleading, basically saying Canada will indict Bush, not that he merely falls into the Canadian definition of a war criminal as the article mentions...
Fixed the title. Wasn't intentional.

taranaki
11-23-2004, 04:50 PM
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75774

Heard it on Fox this morning after class.

Fox.

Nuff said.



There are moves afoot in Britain to impeach Tony Blair too, but they will come to nothing. It's right and proper that they should both be removed, but unlikely.

Rbraczyk
11-23-2004, 07:15 PM
^ yea that

YogsVR4
11-24-2004, 09:14 AM
Fox.

Nuff said.


You didn't pay attention to the link. The source of the story is the Toronto Star and he heard abouts it on Fox.













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thrasher
11-24-2004, 11:18 AM
"War crimes also specifically include ... launching attacks 'in the knowledge that such attacks will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians'"

Beautiful. That says it all right there.

2strokebloke
11-24-2004, 01:24 PM
I don't care how much success they're met with, but the longer they keep Bush out of our hair, the better off the United States is. Even if it's just a few awkward minutes :) (and then we'll have even more reasons to laugh at him.)

MagicRat
11-30-2004, 09:52 PM
You didn't pay attention to the link. The source of the story is the Toronto Star and he heard abouts it on Fox.
The Toronto Star is a local disgrace. Its bird-cage liner disguised as a newspaper. It's idiotic left-wing rants are not taken seriously here.

Still, the article was more of a sensational/philosophical analysis to sell papers to the shrill leftists who actually read it.

Canada is (usually) a very sophisticated and sober-minded country, full of people who have the good sense to ignore the Toronto Star.

thegladhatter
11-30-2004, 10:02 PM
Canadians = Northern New Zealanders?

DGB454
11-30-2004, 10:14 PM
Heres there chance. He is in Canada now.

Heep
11-30-2004, 10:18 PM
It would never happen.

There's stupid peace protesters going around everywhere - yeah that's real smart, promote peace by yelling at and getting violent with "warmongers." If you want peace, first be peaceful yourself.

Moppie
12-01-2004, 01:23 AM
Canadians = Northern New Zealanders?


What do you mean Northern?
We don't suffer from regionalistic attitudes.



The invasion of Iraq by America is about as illegal as an act of war can be.
Quite simply by joining the UN America agreed to abide by its decisions.The invasion of Iraq went against the wishs of the UN, and by that simple point is illegal.

Unforunatly the UN is powerless to do anything about it as the US basicly keeps the UN running. The UN was delibretly set up in such away that the US would be free from its powers, and would require monetary support from the US.
With out the US there is no UN.

taranaki
12-01-2004, 01:53 AM
The Toronto Star is a local disgrace. Its bird-cage liner disguised as a newspaper. It's idiotic left-wing rants are not taken seriously here.

Still, the article was more of a sensational/philosophical analysis to sell papers to the shrill leftists who actually read it.

Canada is (usually) a very sophisticated and sober-minded country, full of people who have the good sense to ignore the Toronto Star.

Sorry,MagicRat, but the facts are against you.Audited circulation figures for the Toronto Star are on the rise.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/MediaNews/2003/11/03/245827-cp.html

BTW when you imply that It's idiotic left-wing rants are not taken seriously here..........Where is here? Your house? Dallas, Texas? Or are you a guest in their country? If so,it's rather rude to judge them by your native standards.On the whole Canadians seem to be far more tolerant, open-minded and intelligent than Texans. America ocould do a lot worse that to ditch Bush and let Canada run America as a colony... :lol2:

YogsVR4
12-01-2004, 10:25 AM
Unforunatly the UN is powerless to do anything about it as the US basicly keeps the UN running. The UN was delibretly set up in such away that the US would be free from its powers, and would require monetary support from the US.

With out the US there is no UN.


Its only a matter of time till there is no UN. The sooner the better.













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DVS LT1
12-01-2004, 01:38 PM
The Toronto Star is a local disgrace. Its bird-cage liner disguised as a newspaper...

LOL you're talking about the Toronto Sun! – the uneducated-trash newspaper full of adds and tabloid tidbits intended for children and adults who cannot read past a grade 6 level.

Geeze it must sound like we're got the worst newspapers in the world!
CNN, YOU are now my soul brainwashing source – I shall never doubt thee…

Anyways, it didn't look like anyone in our government wanted to do anything but kiss George's ass last night in Ottawa (arrest him, HA!) - I think Martin's about ready to please George from his knees if the U.S. will just lift the beef ban. Softwood lumber on the other hand... you guys! :nono: Half a dozen Free Trade court & union rulings against you already and ya still don't give a fuck!

2strokebloke
12-01-2004, 02:08 PM
There's stupid peace protesters going around everywhere - yeah that's real smart, promote peace by yelling at and getting violent with "warmongers." If you want peace, first be peaceful yourself.
At least they're not bombing the whitehouse...

Gotti
12-01-2004, 02:53 PM
LOL you're talking about the Toronto Sun! – the uneducated-trash newspaper full of adds and tabloid tidbits intended for children and adults who cannot read past a grade 6 level.


disagree... you're brainwashed by the popular liberal opinion of the Sun
The Sun spits facts... have you actually ever read it?


The liberals have lied and fucked up canada enough... isnt it time for a change? The Toronto Star is a pure liberal newspaper, its one sided.

DVS LT1
12-01-2004, 06:01 PM
disagree... you're brainwashed by the popular liberal opinion of the Sun
The Sun spits facts... have you actually ever read it?


lol Okay seriously, who hasn't read the Sun? Its pretty much the only paper you're going to find in a bar or diner. In any manufacturing/plant/union job I've ever had the Sun was there to read (hey I'm just saying, and I'd read it). The firm I currently work for has been getting complimentary daily Sun's for weeks now. I'm usually the first one in during the morning and ya know what - I don't even put it out in our lobby, and other people agree its not the kind of material we want our clients & candidates to see when they come in. Its because the Sun puts the WORST possible spin on front page news - all too often its a bad heading and gruesome image, its like they play up the “shock treatment” in order to grab attention. Some days it gets left out off to the side, but most of the time one look at the front page and its gonzo. Our daily Sun's common place is in the crapper, and that's often where it goes as soon as its picked up. But hey, comics, sports, and the Sunshine girls are a pretty good read when you're taking a shit. :naughty:

As far as news bias goes, you can note I didn't touch MagicRat's "left-wing rants" comment about the Star – the Star’s angle doesn't trouble me because I'm not blind or ignorant (as much as I could be). The Degree I earned after five years is practically in the art of research scrutiny and prejudicial analysis. On content, I’m not challenging you two on that one. To be honest Saturday is the only time I get a Star because for a buck-fifty it’s the best value – I like the GTA, Wheels, Business, and Arts sections - and hell the paper can last you an entire week! The Sun is so full of advertising and other garbage that you can literally read the entire thing in the time it takes to have a shit! As for facts, ya you’ve got to love those news bits on the side column of every section:

MAN FOUND DEAD – the body of a something aged man was found in a dumpster yesterday morning on 123 street. The victim had been shot in the head. The Police have no suspects…

And then you read half dozen more. Not that this stuff should be censored or overlooked, but provide more details if you’re going to publish it. On the other hand news doesn’t have to mean “bad” news, and the Sun for some reason seems to like focusing on all the bad shit that’s going on (or again, making it look as bad as possible). It’s like they make the tidbits ultra limited so they can publish as much of the shit as they can. But the BEST tidbits are the ones from way the hell in the middle of nowhere America or Europe about some crazy who did something totally stupid and outrageous. Gotta love it when you get all the facts in one sentence.


Anyways, I just thought buddy’s comment about the animal-shit newspaper better suited the Sun, that’s all.

taranaki
12-01-2004, 06:10 PM
Its only a matter of time till there is no UN. The sooner the better.


The UN will recover once the US gets a decent President.One who practices the Christianity that he preaches.

Tehvisseeus
12-01-2004, 06:29 PM
The UN will recover once the US gets a decent President.One who practices the Christianity that he preaches.
UN was dying long before Bush, its just that no one has taken notice until now.

taranaki
12-01-2004, 07:29 PM
not disputing that the UN was suffering from a lack of support before Bush, but he is probably the single world leader who has done it more harm than any other.

Tehvisseeus
12-01-2004, 09:47 PM
crossing my fingers hoping he can get us out of it.

MagicRat
12-01-2004, 10:24 PM
Sorry,MagicRat, but the facts are against you.Audited circulation figures for the Toronto Star are on the rise.

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/MediaNews/2003/11/03/245827-cp.html

BTW when you imply that It's idiotic left-wing rants are not taken seriously here..........Where is here? Your house? Dallas, Texas? Or are you a guest in their country? If so,it's rather rude to judge them by your native standards.On the whole Canadians seem to be far more tolerant, open-minded and intelligent than Texans. America ocould do a lot worse that to ditch Bush and let Canada run America as a colony... :lol2:
Normally, Taranaki, I find much to support in your opinions.
However, you consistently display nationalistic anti American prejudices. Okay, thats your perogative, but DON'T YOU TRY AND PIGEON-HOLE ME!!! Think before you go on one of your prejudicial tirades.
Judge me by my personal profile at your own risk. I am not an American.

But that's not the point. DVS LT1 figured out I'm Canadian. Why can't you? Are so so biased in your anti-americanism that you will denegrate and belittle the opinion of something you obviously know nothing about, JUST BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN TEXAS?
IMHO that's excessively prejudicial. There is no logic in this.

Did you not catch my Canadian flag avatar I had for about a month?
Did it occur to you that I MIGHT know what I am talking about and you MIGHT be jumping to the wrong conclusion? Try applying some logical thought before dispensing a flippant answer.

Since I have been exposed to that Toronto Star newspaper in my hometown (Toronto!!) for 35 year. My opinion is based on EDITORIAL CONTENT, not circulation!! If you know anything about popular publications, you know that HIGH SALES do not automatically guarentee quality.
Cute websites about circulation will not tell you that the Star is popular because it's a family oriented newspaper, with easy-to-read local and family related issues. But they are a biased lightweight when it comes to important news and world-events issues.

So, perhaps if you used some logic and common decency and respect for others, you wouldn't read like a jingoistic blowhard.

Thourun
12-01-2004, 10:27 PM
Whats wrong with the UN?

Moppie
12-01-2004, 11:03 PM
Whats wrong with the UN?


If it decieds that a country has acted wrongfully according to a set of rules it has then is able to ask its member countrys to take action against them.
It can be very powerful, e.g. when Iraq invaded Kuwait it was deemed an illegal act of war by the UN, and its member nations formed an allied coalition which used military action to remove Iraq and free Kuwait.
But it can also be very weak, if the member nations are not willing to take action then it becomes virtualy useless.
e.g. when America Invaded Iraq it was deemed an illegal act of war.
Unforunatly no one in the UN is able to take action against America.

Instead it just gets talked about in Internet forums and on the media in the hope enough Americans will realise how poorly thier government is regarded by most of the international comunity, and they take action to evoke change.
Either that change will occur or the world will end.
Its not the first time humanity has faced such a situation. :smokin:

Gotti
12-01-2004, 11:17 PM
In any manufacturing/plant/union job I've ever had the Sun was there to read (hey I'm just saying, and I'd read it).

Is there something wrong with that? There are some really intelligent people that work at those jobs. Sometimes immigrants who went to college/university in their country but that doesnt count for shit here. And the people at those jobs are usually MUCH more street smart (which i think is "real" intelligence) than white collar people.

Just look at rush hour... all the blue collar people get out of their shift around 3, and watch how the traffic moves, people drive smarter and there isnt as much jams. Then look at 5pm and all hell breaks loose.... the office people just fuck up the roads cause they dont know how to drive. It's not that complicating, and they went to University... which should mean they're smarter right? Not always



Its because the Sun puts the WORST possible spin on front page news - all too often its a bad heading and gruesome image, its like they play up the “shock treatment” in order to grab attention.

Hey dont hate the player, hate the game. Thats what sells. Dont judge a book by its cover.


the Star’s angle doesn't trouble me because I'm not blind or ignorant (as much as I could be). The Degree I earned after five years is practically in the art of research scrutiny and prejudicial analysis.

Just because people have degrees doesnt necessarily make them "smart." NOT SAYING THAT YOU ARENT but i've met some of the dumbest fucking people who have graduated from University. They had book smarts and got good grades, but they were severly lacking "real" intelligence. They know how to read and write reports, but if you asked them to do something simple like change a tire they would call CAA/AAA.

And thats what i think of when i think of somebody reading the Toronto Star. Cause those are the same people that listen to liberals lie and lie and lie about what they're gunna do over and over again. Yet they love them, and think they're great leaders of our country :rolleyes: And i'm not saying conservatives or NDP are saints, but come on dont believe everything you hear. They read the Toronto Star, which tells you all the bad things the conservatives do and all the good things the liberals do and they're brainwashed. They dont look at the good/bad from both sides.


MAN FOUND DEAD – the body of a something aged man was found in a dumpster yesterday morning on 123 street. The victim had been shot in the head. The Police have no suspects…

And then you read half dozen more. Not that this stuff should be censored or overlooked, but provide more details if you’re going to publish it.

Those types of stories sometimes there isnt that much to tell.... they just give you the story and then you can decide what to think about it. If somebody walks up to somebody else, shoots them, walks away, and nobody sees them. How many details can there be? There was a dead body found at this place, it was shot here and there, police are looking for suspects. What else is there to tell?




Dont think I'm attacking you or anything... its just how i feel. I respect your opinion

Heep
12-02-2004, 08:03 AM
Is there something wrong with that? There are some really intelligent people that work at those jobs.

:eek7:

He just said that he's had those jobs, so I doubt he thinks there's anything wrong with them...


The Toronto Star is only good for the crossword. :)
The Toronto Sun is only good for the Sunshine girl. :naughty:
The National Post is a decent, business oriented read.

Gotti
12-02-2004, 01:18 PM
:eek7:

He just said that he's had those jobs, so I doubt he thinks there's anything wrong with them...


The Toronto Star is only good for the crossword. :)
The Toronto Sun is only good for the Sunshine girl. :naughty:
The National Post is a decent, business oriented read.


yeah i agree... the national post is a nice inbetween paper

i know he said he worked at those places... i just had to say it, cause he mentioned the Sun is always in those places like its bad or something

MagicRat
12-02-2004, 07:38 PM
:eek7:

He just said that he's had those jobs, so I doubt he thinks there's anything wrong with them...


The Toronto Star is only good for the crossword. :)
The Toronto Sun is only good for the Sunshine girl. :naughty:
The National Post is a decent, business oriented read.
What about the Globe and Mail??
Generally I think it's the best.......a bit more intellectual/high brow than the Post, but more to the center of the political spectrum.

I like the Post too, but the Globe has more financial resources for more thorough news coverage.
All it needs is "The Globe Girl"!

Heep
12-03-2004, 06:06 AM
What about the Globe and Mail??
Generally I think it's the best.......a bit more intellectual/high brow than the Post, but more to the center of the political spectrum.

I like the Post too, but the Globe has more financial resources for more thorough news coverage.
All it needs is "The Globe Girl"!

:lol: Bookworm Bi***es :naughty:

I've never read the Globe & Mail so I can't comment on it. I do, however, have very little interest in politics (and quite a lot in business), so it might not be quite as suited to me...

a_hol06
12-03-2004, 01:16 PM
BTW when you imply that It's idiotic left-wing rants are not taken seriously here..........Where is here? Your house? Dallas, Texas? Or are you a guest in their country? If so,it's rather rude to judge them by your native standards.On the whole Canadians seem to be far more tolerant, open-minded and intelligent than Texans. America ocould do a lot worse that to ditch Bush and let Canada run America as a colony... :lol2:

So you point out someone elses judgment, based on "native standards", but you go and make a parallel to canadians and texans. Do you live in Canada? Do you live in Texas? Do you live in Both? you are not omnipresent. dont be a hypocrit.

MagicRat
12-03-2004, 07:29 PM
I've never read the Globe & Mail so I can't comment on it. I do, however, have very little interest in politics (and quite a lot in business), so it might not be quite as suited to me...
What, you have an interest in business and you don't read the Globe??

The Globe's Report on Business section is easily a match for the Post.
If you are interested in business you should be reading the business sections of BOTH papers. Lots of people do.......

taranaki
12-03-2004, 09:24 PM
So you point out someone elses judgment, based on "native standards", but you go and make a parallel to canadians and texans. Do you live in Canada? Do you live in Texas? Do you live in Both? you are not omnipresent. dont be a hypocrit.

1........The word is hypocrite.
2........If you would care to refer to the profile of the person I talking to, you might not make such a fool of yourself next time. :lol2:

thegladhatter
12-03-2004, 09:49 PM
What does his profile have to do with the hypocritical nature of your post? ...just wondering..

taranaki
12-03-2004, 11:16 PM
What does his profile have to do with the hypocritical nature of your post? ...just wondering..

Silly me, thought teachers had to be reasonably educated.Obviously not the case any more. :disappoin

MagicRat
12-04-2004, 08:28 AM
1........The word is hypocrite.
2........If you would care to refer to the profile of the person I talking to, you might not make such a fool of yourself next time. :lol2:
:rolleyes:
Sorry taranaki, my profile did not make you look like a fool.
your rather transparent bias did it for you. :)

taranaki
12-04-2004, 11:59 AM
:rolleyes:
Sorry taranaki, my profile did not make you look like a fool.
your rather transparent bias did it for you. :)

Your derogatory remarks about a Canadian publication ,while your profile lists you as being from Dallas Texas, still requires some clarification.

Do you get the Canadian press in Dallas, or are you currently in Toronto?

And you can call me a fool all you like,it wont change my opinion of George Bush.It's sad though, how all Bush supporters seem to take it so personally when I give my opinion.Apparently, a kiwi is not allowed to hold opinions on Amrerican politics, but a Yank is allowed to hold opinions on Canadian media,and everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on Iraq.....as long as they agree with that asshole Bush.

Gotti
12-04-2004, 12:07 PM
And you can call me a fool all you like,it wont change my opinion of George Bush.It's sad though, how all Bush supporters seem to take it so personally when I give my opinion.Apparently, a kiwi is not allowed to hold opinions on Amrerican politics, but a Yank is allowed to hold opinions on Canadian media,and everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on Iraq.....as long as they agree with that asshole Bush.

he said he was from Toronto, he lives in Texas now. Therefor he's a Canadian not a yank

Heep
12-04-2004, 04:40 PM
What, you have an interest in business and you don't read the Globe??


I'd certainly be open to it, just never had the opportunity to read it (for free, I refuse to pay for a newspaper :D).

I don't really read the paper much though anyways. I hate current events.

Cbass
12-05-2004, 05:02 AM
At least it's not teh National Post... I remember staying at a hotel that delivered a free paper to the room every morning. My sentiments to the paperboy went something like this.

Paperboy: "Would you like a complimentary paper?"

Me: "Ah, the National Post, I suppose this is in case I run out of toilet paper at some point."

I'll stick to the Vancouver Sun, thank you very much.

Heep
12-05-2004, 07:46 AM
I'll stick to the Vancouver Sun, thank you very much.

Perhaps. Kinda hard finding those 5700 km away though :biggrin:

MagicRat
12-05-2004, 09:53 PM
Your derogatory remarks about a Canadian publication ,while your profile lists you as being from Dallas Texas, still requires some clarification.

Do you get the Canadian press in Dallas, or are you currently in Toronto?

And you can call me a fool all you like,it wont change my opinion of George Bush.It's sad though, how all Bush supporters seem to take it so personally when I give my opinion.Apparently, a kiwi is not allowed to hold opinions on Amrerican politics, but a Yank is allowed to hold opinions on Canadian media,and everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on Iraq.....as long as they agree with that asshole Bush.
Jeez, Taranaki, you still don't quite understand my objections.
I have not called you a fool. Ever. I said your bias made you look like a fool. There is a difference. Furthermore, I believe I implied there was no input from me on this 'foolish' accomplishment. :)

Generally I agree with virtually all your opinions on Bush. Frankly. I do not care to change your mind about him.

But what is evident is that just because my profile lists me as being from Dallas, you made some quite obvious assumptions about my politics and my views. These assumptions are incorrect, and were in no way supported by any post I have made.
Then you attacked what you assumed were my views because of what (?) your anti-American bias?? I actually found this situation quite amusing.

As for my profile......what does it matter? The anonymity of the net is a valued commodity, and should prevent assumptions such as yours. Your own profile is spectacular in its anonymity, and thus my own residence is equally as inconsequential.

As for Americans taking it supposedly taking it personally that you give an opinion on American politics? What do you care how they take it? Your posts are among the most combative I have ever read. Now, IMHO your posts are admirable, well thought out and highly effective. But don't object when others take offense at your combative nature.

a_hol06
12-07-2004, 07:59 PM
And you can call me a fool all you like,it wont change my opinion of George Bush.It's sad though, how all Bush supporters seem to take it so personally when I give my opinion.Apparently, a kiwi is not allowed to hold opinions on Amrerican politics, but a Yank is allowed to hold opinions on Canadian media,and everyone is allowed to hold an opinion on Iraq.....as long as they agree with that asshole Bush.

If you want to go and point out stupid little typing mistakes, then..

1. It's American

And my post, as brought up already by others, had to do with you pointing out someones regional comment, and then following suit by comparing Canadians and Texans.

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