Tha PRICK is gone for GOOD
GOD
06-11-2001, 11:38 PM
Finally timothy mcveigh is gone .........People like that dont deserve to breath the air or see the day of light . I hope that basturd enjoys hell . I still don't know how someone can do that . Maybe he was just f^%! LOCO .
DVSNCYNIKL
06-12-2001, 08:44 AM
Yeah, well, hopefully that will leave an example to anyone who thinks about doing that again and think they can get away with it. I just feel bad for the children who died in that incident.
primera man
06-12-2001, 08:58 AM
They should have had a public hanging so the wanker could be seen hanging by his neck.
I feel for the parents of children killed and for all the others who lost there lives in such a pointless act.
How the hell can his lawyer stand up and try and say things good about him....makes my blood boil
:devil: :devil: ....BURN IN HELL YOU BASTARD....:devil: :devil:
I feel for the parents of children killed and for all the others who lost there lives in such a pointless act.
How the hell can his lawyer stand up and try and say things good about him....makes my blood boil
:devil: :devil: ....BURN IN HELL YOU BASTARD....:devil: :devil:
YogsVR4
06-12-2001, 09:17 AM
I will add that not only should he be strung up by the neck. Do it slowly so his neck doesn't break and let the victims or their relatives use him like a pinata.
MBTN
06-12-2001, 10:11 AM
The should have relentlessly slugged him in the genitals until he vomited. Then they should have poisoned the vomit and made him eat it.
DVSNCYNIKL
06-12-2001, 10:29 AM
Originally posted by MBTN
The should have relentlessly slugged him in the genitals until he vomited. Then they should have poisoned the vomit and made him eat it.
Needs Therapy!!:rolleyes: :huh:
The should have relentlessly slugged him in the genitals until he vomited. Then they should have poisoned the vomit and made him eat it.
Needs Therapy!!:rolleyes: :huh:
Lizard King
06-12-2001, 05:15 PM
I watched a doco about him last night. Before the bombing he seemed like a really nice guy, everyone who knew him liked him.
I think he thought he was doing right, he was just fucked up and paranoid. He had a military way of thinking, he thought that the civilians were collateral damage and a necessary sacrifice.
For those reasons I don't think he was truely evil, certainly not the monster the media made him out to be.
He believed that what he did was no different than the civilians he saw killed whilst serving in Iraq and the Ruby Ridge/Waco incidents.
I also believe in some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the case.
I think he thought he was doing right, he was just fucked up and paranoid. He had a military way of thinking, he thought that the civilians were collateral damage and a necessary sacrifice.
For those reasons I don't think he was truely evil, certainly not the monster the media made him out to be.
He believed that what he did was no different than the civilians he saw killed whilst serving in Iraq and the Ruby Ridge/Waco incidents.
I also believe in some of the conspiracy theories surrounding the case.
primera man
06-12-2001, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by Lizard King
. He had a military way of thinking, he thought that the civilians were collateral damage and a necessary sacrifice.
Im sure the parents off the 19 kids that where killed dont think that way.
How anyone can take the life of a child as to be one sick arse motherfucker.
. He had a military way of thinking, he thought that the civilians were collateral damage and a necessary sacrifice.
Im sure the parents off the 19 kids that where killed dont think that way.
How anyone can take the life of a child as to be one sick arse motherfucker.
dre
06-12-2001, 05:50 PM
What does killing him prove? That we 'Murkans don't take crap?
Man, I'd rather be put to death then spend 10 or 20 or more years in prison.
Putting him to death does guarantee that he won't say anything that might cause Americans to think about what probably really happened.
one unanswered question:
Why were all BATF personnel at that location not at work during the bombing? Did they know in advance? Nah, it was probably just coincidence.
He got off easy if you ask me:
First injection puts you to sleep (no more pain)
Next comes some drug to paralyze your lungs (like it matters now, your already in nirvana from the first shot)
3rd, and finally, a drug to stop the heart. A little overkill, but hey...This IS America!
Man, I'd rather be put to death then spend 10 or 20 or more years in prison.
Putting him to death does guarantee that he won't say anything that might cause Americans to think about what probably really happened.
one unanswered question:
Why were all BATF personnel at that location not at work during the bombing? Did they know in advance? Nah, it was probably just coincidence.
He got off easy if you ask me:
First injection puts you to sleep (no more pain)
Next comes some drug to paralyze your lungs (like it matters now, your already in nirvana from the first shot)
3rd, and finally, a drug to stop the heart. A little overkill, but hey...This IS America!
primera man
06-12-2001, 06:00 PM
I believe if you take someones life you should have your own taken.
Why should he live in prison the rest of his life, having 3 nice meals a day, TV, etc.
Its our tax money looking after him.
Why should he live in prison the rest of his life, having 3 nice meals a day, TV, etc.
Its our tax money looking after him.
SkylinesKillAll
06-12-2001, 09:18 PM
now guys its not nice to wish he was dead.
haha fuck that. i hope u burn in hell u fucking prick. blow up our bulidings have fun gettin pineapples shoved up ur ass. (south park movie :D ) burn baby burn :devil: :flipa:
haha fuck that. i hope u burn in hell u fucking prick. blow up our bulidings have fun gettin pineapples shoved up ur ass. (south park movie :D ) burn baby burn :devil: :flipa:
GOD
06-12-2001, 11:07 PM
i think we did the right thing hell if u take someones life you should have urs taking away ....hell theres a cause and a reaction and his cause was killing people and reaction was him being put to death . I think it goes to show that America doesnt take shit from all these fucked up people .....ex waco ex ruby ridge ......If u really think that your really gonna fuck the govt by blowing up one of there building then ur just fucked !!!!! I think it made and example out of him .
enzo@af
06-13-2001, 12:32 AM
Capital punishment is a tricky issue. In this case, I think it was the right thing to do. He killed too many people in a heinous act to allow him to live.
But, not only was LK right, but he brings up another point. He thought what he did was okay and beneficial. Obviously he's insane. But, shouldn't we maybe deal with reform rather than punishment? When Kip Kinkle was given a somewhat light sentence I was glad. He was just a confused kid, and maybe with some help he can live a semi-normal life.
But, not only was LK right, but he brings up another point. He thought what he did was okay and beneficial. Obviously he's insane. But, shouldn't we maybe deal with reform rather than punishment? When Kip Kinkle was given a somewhat light sentence I was glad. He was just a confused kid, and maybe with some help he can live a semi-normal life.
primera man
06-13-2001, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by enzo@af
But, shouldn't we maybe deal with reform rather than punishment?
In his case he got what was coming, and that was death.
Why should the tax man spend money on someone like him to see what makes him tick. The bill could be thousands.
The money would be better off being spent on other things like education/housing/health etc.
.....and who's to say after his reform he would'nt do it again ?
But, shouldn't we maybe deal with reform rather than punishment?
In his case he got what was coming, and that was death.
Why should the tax man spend money on someone like him to see what makes him tick. The bill could be thousands.
The money would be better off being spent on other things like education/housing/health etc.
.....and who's to say after his reform he would'nt do it again ?
DVSNCYNIKL
06-13-2001, 09:55 AM
Just my 2 cents.
What Timothy McVeigh did was wrong! I can't condone any form of violence to solve an issue. Looking at what he did from his POV, if he had problems with the government then he should have taken it there. Why blow up a building that is full of civilians? Why blow up a building filled with children? So if I have beef with let's say NYPD, I should just go and blow up my local precinct? No! He tried to justify his actions by saying he was fed up with the way the government is getting too overbearing. To some fact, that is true. But if I am really that unhappy with it, why don't you just leave this country?
You see, it's human nature to sit here and say this and that. But it is a totally different story when your loved one is directly affected. One can say, yeah, let him rot in jail or solitary confinement. But the restlessness that one feels, knowing that the person they loved is lost and this guy just sits patiently waiting for his time to come. I don't think there is a soul in here who can say they wouldn't want to see him dead! As expensive as it is, I'd put him to death in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even go so far as to do all of that, just put a gun to his head and pull the trigger.
My feeling is this, you take a life, you lose yours! I don't hate anyone unless they do something to me directly. And if they did do something, it will be to that person alone.
What Timothy McVeigh did was wrong! I can't condone any form of violence to solve an issue. Looking at what he did from his POV, if he had problems with the government then he should have taken it there. Why blow up a building that is full of civilians? Why blow up a building filled with children? So if I have beef with let's say NYPD, I should just go and blow up my local precinct? No! He tried to justify his actions by saying he was fed up with the way the government is getting too overbearing. To some fact, that is true. But if I am really that unhappy with it, why don't you just leave this country?
You see, it's human nature to sit here and say this and that. But it is a totally different story when your loved one is directly affected. One can say, yeah, let him rot in jail or solitary confinement. But the restlessness that one feels, knowing that the person they loved is lost and this guy just sits patiently waiting for his time to come. I don't think there is a soul in here who can say they wouldn't want to see him dead! As expensive as it is, I'd put him to death in a heartbeat. I wouldn't even go so far as to do all of that, just put a gun to his head and pull the trigger.
My feeling is this, you take a life, you lose yours! I don't hate anyone unless they do something to me directly. And if they did do something, it will be to that person alone.
primera man
06-13-2001, 09:59 AM
Agree with every word you said
dre
06-13-2001, 11:38 AM
I just feel that the USA is supposedly "one nation under god"
I don't claim to be a christian. But, the christian god doesn't want people killing people. If we are One Nation Under God, then who the hell are we to judge him, and especially dish out that sort of punishment?
As far as leaving the US because I'm unhappy, I think that is the wrong attitude. The government is here to serve you and me, not corporations.
Some other men have felt a similar way.....:
Unless you become more watchful in your states and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges, you will in the end find that the most important powers of government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these coporations." --Andrew Jackson
"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from
falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the
Government from falling into error."
- U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds,
339 U.S. 382,442
Unless we change direction, we are likely to end up where we are headed -- Chinese proverb
I don't claim to be a christian. But, the christian god doesn't want people killing people. If we are One Nation Under God, then who the hell are we to judge him, and especially dish out that sort of punishment?
As far as leaving the US because I'm unhappy, I think that is the wrong attitude. The government is here to serve you and me, not corporations.
Some other men have felt a similar way.....:
Unless you become more watchful in your states and check this spirit of monopoly and thirst for exclusive privileges, you will in the end find that the most important powers of government have been given or bartered away, and the control of your dearest interests have been passed into the hands of these coporations." --Andrew Jackson
"It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from
falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the
Government from falling into error."
- U.S. Supreme Court in American Communications Association v. Douds,
339 U.S. 382,442
Unless we change direction, we are likely to end up where we are headed -- Chinese proverb
DVSNCYNIKL
06-13-2001, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by dre
I just feel that the USA is supposedly "one nation under god"
I don't claim to be a christian. But, the christian god doesn't want people killing people. If we are One Nation Under God, then who the hell are we to judge him, and especially dish out that sort of punishment?
As far as leaving the US because I'm unhappy, I think that is the wrong attitude. The government is here to serve you and me, not corporations.
To address your first comment, I agree with you that we are nobody to pass judgement. But I believe in this case, there really is no judgement to decide. Fact 1. He took out innocent people. Fact 2. He blew up the building or conspired to it. Fact 3. He acknowledges that he did no wrong.
I'm sorry but I don't think I'm passing judgement when I say he deserves to die. You bring about your demise based on your actions. Therefore, if you take a life, you lose yours. I go by a few old sayings, "You live by the sword, you die by the sword". and "An eye for eye".
And as for the leaving part, it's not the wrong attitude. Yes the government is here to work for us. However, the reality is, the government does it's own thing. The courtesy and other things are just the formality to make you believe your voice is heard. You and I can debate over this issue over and over and nothing about how this government is run is going to change. Now what I said is not to be taken literally, just that complaining about how things are is going to accomplish nothing. People lobby everyday over topics which for the most part go unheard. And one thing, the only time this government ever makes a move is when it serves their best interest. I'll leave you with that thought.
I just feel that the USA is supposedly "one nation under god"
I don't claim to be a christian. But, the christian god doesn't want people killing people. If we are One Nation Under God, then who the hell are we to judge him, and especially dish out that sort of punishment?
As far as leaving the US because I'm unhappy, I think that is the wrong attitude. The government is here to serve you and me, not corporations.
To address your first comment, I agree with you that we are nobody to pass judgement. But I believe in this case, there really is no judgement to decide. Fact 1. He took out innocent people. Fact 2. He blew up the building or conspired to it. Fact 3. He acknowledges that he did no wrong.
I'm sorry but I don't think I'm passing judgement when I say he deserves to die. You bring about your demise based on your actions. Therefore, if you take a life, you lose yours. I go by a few old sayings, "You live by the sword, you die by the sword". and "An eye for eye".
And as for the leaving part, it's not the wrong attitude. Yes the government is here to work for us. However, the reality is, the government does it's own thing. The courtesy and other things are just the formality to make you believe your voice is heard. You and I can debate over this issue over and over and nothing about how this government is run is going to change. Now what I said is not to be taken literally, just that complaining about how things are is going to accomplish nothing. People lobby everyday over topics which for the most part go unheard. And one thing, the only time this government ever makes a move is when it serves their best interest. I'll leave you with that thought.
dre
06-13-2001, 01:04 PM
I still think executing him lets him off easy.
No pain, and quick.
I would have rather seen him serve life in prison. I honestly feel that would be much worse than getting a shot and going to sleep.
In prison, man can create hell for a person. He will still die someday, and still have to deal with god.
So, maybe we have to change how we carry out executions, I feel a firing squad is fair, and it should definetly be carried out in public so that we the people become more connected with it... Realize more that it was us that killed McVeigh.
One must kill publicly or confess that one does not feel authorized to kill. - Albert Camus
As for 'eye for an eye' mentality, (and the rest of this thread) I do generally agree (somebodies gotta be devils advocate
:devil: ) but you gotta watch out.
There is one country I know of living that way. Afghanistan, under Taliban rule, has those rules in place. Eye gougings, cut off hand for theft, etc. Oh, Yeah...they also outlawed music and dance.
No pain, and quick.
I would have rather seen him serve life in prison. I honestly feel that would be much worse than getting a shot and going to sleep.
In prison, man can create hell for a person. He will still die someday, and still have to deal with god.
So, maybe we have to change how we carry out executions, I feel a firing squad is fair, and it should definetly be carried out in public so that we the people become more connected with it... Realize more that it was us that killed McVeigh.
One must kill publicly or confess that one does not feel authorized to kill. - Albert Camus
As for 'eye for an eye' mentality, (and the rest of this thread) I do generally agree (somebodies gotta be devils advocate
:devil: ) but you gotta watch out.
There is one country I know of living that way. Afghanistan, under Taliban rule, has those rules in place. Eye gougings, cut off hand for theft, etc. Oh, Yeah...they also outlawed music and dance.
enzo@af
06-13-2001, 01:41 PM
Yeah, think of all the anal butt-rapings he would have received in prison.
primera man
06-13-2001, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by enzo@af
Yeah, think of all the anal butt-rapings he would have received in prison.
He probaly would have liked it !!!!!
Public firing squad sounds good for him.....cheap/quick and make others think about there law breaking.
Yeah, think of all the anal butt-rapings he would have received in prison.
He probaly would have liked it !!!!!
Public firing squad sounds good for him.....cheap/quick and make others think about there law breaking.
Porsche
06-13-2001, 06:12 PM
Ah, well at least he's gone, but what does that solve? Killing people like that only kills them. It dosen't sounds very harsh. I mean that some people would sacrifice themselves for lesser cause. I don't like the guy, and I think he should have stayed in prison for life (Not the 25 Years life BS) but life as in until he dies and have his nuts beaten with a pointy stick everyday.
GOD
06-17-2001, 01:56 AM
Jay!
06-17-2001, 05:07 AM
Originally posted by DVSNCYNIKL
...hopefully that will leave an example to anyone who thinks about doing that again and think they can get away with it.
From what I remember of my Criminal Justice classes, most criminals don't consider the consequences of thier actions. They think in the present and act in ways that will fulfill their wants and needs at the time. Therefore, capital punishment rarely serves as a deterrent for the people that society would intend it to.
Also, McVeigh was acting in "retaliation" against the government for their actions in the seige at Waco, years before. He, and anyone else like him, would probably see themselves as martyrs, as victims of a corrupt government.
...hopefully that will leave an example to anyone who thinks about doing that again and think they can get away with it.
From what I remember of my Criminal Justice classes, most criminals don't consider the consequences of thier actions. They think in the present and act in ways that will fulfill their wants and needs at the time. Therefore, capital punishment rarely serves as a deterrent for the people that society would intend it to.
Also, McVeigh was acting in "retaliation" against the government for their actions in the seige at Waco, years before. He, and anyone else like him, would probably see themselves as martyrs, as victims of a corrupt government.
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