Bin Ladin gets permission to nuke.

I was listening to an interview with Mike Scheuer (a.k.a. Anonymous), author, Imperial Hubris .chief of the bin Laden unit at the CIA, 1996-99.

During the interview Mr. Scheuer talked about his interview on 60 minutes a few nights before. During this 60 minutes interview he stated that Bin Ladin had gotten permission/approval(religious sanctions) from the Islamic Cleric community on May, 2004 to set off a nuclear bomb in the U.S. some time in the future . They also gave him permission/approval to kill millions using nuclear weapons.

Apparently after 9/11 the islamic religious community was upset with bin ladin. Not because he killed thousands during the WTC but because he didn't get permission/approval to do it ahead of time.

The nuclear bomb permission/approval came in the form of a document written by an Saudi islamic cleric named Ahmed Binfahd(sp?)
The document apparently gave reasons why it was OK under their religion for him to do this. The document justifies/validates this action based on islamic theology and islamic teachings.

Mr. Scheuer also mentioned that the islamic communities religious clerics have seen this document and have approved it.

I guess it is no suprise that the islamic community(or at least it's leaders) see themselves as being in a holy war. In a way I can understand that. It's also no suprise (at least to me) that violence is what they turn to as a way to take care of their supposed " holy war. " The reason I say this is due to their history in that part of the world. Some of their violence to solve problems mentality I believe is justified. Especially when it came to trying to remove unwanted foreign people from their land. It does seem that even when not faced with an external foe they turn to each other to find enemies. Of course this is just my opinion but I know it is shared by many, many others.

I don't want to get into a huge debate on Bush and Iraq.(frankly I'm tired of the whole thing) If this thread heads that way I'll just delete it.

I just want to get others perspective on this. It would be great to get someone who has a Muslim background.

Some of my comments above may seem a bit bigotted against islam. I make no apologies for that. I don't hate muslims. People are people and all are created by God(IMO) reguardless of what they believe.

I would never trust the CIA though, or anything that one of their top guys would say. It's all usually propaganda and lies from an agency like that. But if it's true, it doesn't surprise me.

yeah i dunno... i'd say its true, cause they see themselves in a war and it would definately be effective. but i'd say its a propogandist lie ... because thats what the CIA and places like that do!

to draw a comparison, somone had to give permission to nuke japan, and that someone would have been pretty pissed if their underlings just went and nuked it without their permission. makes it look like they lost control or that they aren't the most important or something... degrades their authority.

I guess I didn't mention that this guy left the CIA.

YEAH... BUT SO DID THE GUY WHO APARENTLY TOLD BUSH THAT IRAQ HAD A HEAP OF wmd READY TO DEPLOY... JUST LOOKING AT IT FROM BOTH SIDES. UNFORTUNATELY I'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT, AND DEFINATELY NOT WHEN US INTELLIGENCE SAYS SO.

Ok. I guess I should have mentioned that this guys book is against the CIA.

i guess its one of those things where a radical faction of a religion has gone and declared that their religion is participating in a holy war.

i think its necessary, before going any further, to seperate the muslims from the muslim extremists. just like no christian wants to get lumped in with the crusades, im sure the majority of the muslim population would prefer to not get lumped in with a few crazys

Can you please provide a link? Im not doubting it just want to see where ya got it.

i guess its one of those things where a radical faction of a religion has gone and declared that their religion is participating in a holy war.

i think its necessary, before going any further, to seperate the muslims from the muslim extremists. just like no christian wants to get lumped in with the crusades, im sure the majority of the muslim population would prefer to not get lumped in with a few crazys

I agree. The problem I have is that it's actually their cleric leaders giving the ok. This would be like Billy Graham or the Pope saying it's OK. There is something very wrong when the people who should be guiding them in the "right" way are guiding them in the way of mass murder.

Can you please provide a link? Im not doubting it just want to see where ya got it.


NPR Audio on this page. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4170773)

Hope that worked.

I am not suprised to hear this. I am sure we can all agree that what we hear about what is happening over there is completely different than what is actually happening. To those people we are a country who feels that they can invade, and bomb other countries without a reason, wait a second, we are a country like that! So honestly put yourself in their place, im not saying that i think its right to approve the killing of people im just saying that if we were in their position we would probably see things a little differently.

This would be like Billy Graham or the Pope saying it's OK. There is something very wrong when the people who should be guiding them in the "right" way are guiding them in the way of mass murder.
billy graham and the pope in the same sentence? like, they are on par? hehehe


anyways...it was the pope that authorized and encouraged the crudsades. and yes, it was wrong. as is jihad.

I'd be more worried if there was any evidence that Bin Laden had access to nuclear weapons.

I'd be more worried if there was any evidence that Bin Laden had access to nuclear weapons....and he could deploy them at 40 minutes notice using UAV drones?... :uhoh:

............ Bin Ladin had gotten permission/approval(religious sanctions) from the Islamic Cleric community...........
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Mr. Scheuer also mentioned that the islamic communities religious clerics have seen this document and have approved it.
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I guess it is no suprise that the islamic community(or at least it's leaders) .......



Iv pulled out these quotes of yours because they are quite disturbing.

By saying what you have, in the way you have said it, you are implying that all of the Islamic world is led by a very small number of fanatical extremists.

And its simply not true.

As a religion Islam is just as devided as christianty about theological issues. Differnt Islamic groups take differnt interpratations of the Koran and other works, and they have clashed with each other in the past over those often subtle differnces.

So just because a small group of extremists, probably with alterior motives, declear themselvs as the leaders of Islam, and claim to have special knowledge as Clerics does NOT mean they speak for all of Islam, and for all Muslims.
It dosn't matter how much credit the Media gives them, they are not the voice of Islam, and they do not make decisions that all Muslims will listen to.


One of the biggest problems the Western world has is its very closed and simple view of other cultures and societys.
And your comments above, based on the comments by someone who should, and probobly does know better, do nothing but help propogate that ignorance.

billy graham and the pope in the same sentence? like, they are on par? hehehe


anyways...it was the pope that authorized and encouraged the crudsades. and yes, it was wrong. as is jihad.

The current Pope did? I knew he was old but......

I'd be more worried if there was any evidence that Bin Laden had access to nuclear weapons.

Why would he seek permission to do so if he didn't already have (or was planning on having) that ability to set off a bomb in the U.S.?

Why would he seek permission to do so if he didn't already have (or was planning on having) that ability to set off a bomb in the U.S.?

Why would anyone talk about a manned mission to Mars if they did't have the ability to get there?

Iv pulled out these quotes of yours because they are quite disturbing.

By saying what you have, in the way you have said it, you are implying that all of the Islamic world is led by a very small number of fanatical extremists. Not all but it is my opinion that a great many of them are.

And its simply not true. I see no evidence to think otherwise

As a religion Islam is just as devided as christianty about theological issues. Differnt Islamic groups take differnt interpratations of the Koran and other works, and they have clashed with each other in the past over those often subtle differnces. Agreed

So just because a small group of extremists
I see no proof that the group is small. I do however see evidence that the group is very large and even those who aren't part of that group hold these clerics and those like Bin Ladin in high reguard.

, probably with alterior motives, declear themselvs as the leaders of Islam, and claim to have special knowledge as Clerics does NOT mean they speak for all of Islam, and for all Muslims. It dosn't matter how much credit the Media gives them, they are not the voice of Islam, and they do not make decisions that all Muslims will listen to.

Listen to the audio clip on the link I provided. I am not the one making the claim about these clerics and the religious islamic community. It is the author of the book.


One of the biggest problems the Western world has is its very closed and simple view of other cultures and societys. And your comments above, based on the comments by someone who should, and probobly does know better, do nothing but help propogate that ignorance.

Do you really think this is exclusively a western world problem? How does the eastern world view Americans? They have an extremely simple view of us. Most of the views they hold are spoon fed to them by their political(if you can call them that) leaders.

Like I said. I don't hate Muslims. I don't believe all follow the same desrtuctive path as does bin ladin. I do know that Islam is a peaceful religion and teaches peace. I also know that religious leaders can have an enourmous influence on their people. What I see happening in the middle east shows me that the influence of these clerics is not small by any means.

Why would anyone talk about a manned mission to Mars if they did't have the ability to get there?
Because they plan on having the ability soon. I think I covered that.

By saying what you have, in the way you have said it, you are implying that all of the Islamic world is led by a very small number of fanatical extremists. And its simply not true.
As a religion Islam is just as devided as christianty about theological issues. Differnt Islamic groups take differnt interpratations of the Koran and other works, and they have clashed with each other in the past over those often subtle differences.
So just because a small group of extremists, probably with alterior motives, declear themselvs as the leaders of Islam, and claim to have special knowledge as Clerics does NOT mean they speak for all of Islam, and for all Muslims. .
This is why I use the word Jihadist exclusively when talking about the radical Islamics.

This is why I use the word Jihadist exclusively when talking about the radical Islamics.

I guess I just call it like I see it. If they are radical islamist then that's what they are. I think they would rather be called just islamist but I will give the rest of the islam world the benefit of the doubt and not include them with these people.