Help With Purchise!!!!!

hey guys, I'm in love with hondas, i have a accord lxi with a 2.0si engine in it and fell in love with it, the sound, the feel, everything. the transmision blew up a week ago. now i'm driving one of my best friends cars (plymouth sundance) with a broken wheel bearing!! enough about my bitching! i'm putting in a new transmision in the accord and fixing up my dads old ford ranchero for trade-ins or down payments for a new car. of course i want another honda! i'm thinking 92-95 civics would be right in my payment range, and i just dont like the new accords with there less power and heavier body's then the civics. i did my home work and i'm set on a EX 2dr or 4dr with a 5spd. i didnt want to spend a thousand less for a dx and then spend 2000 more for a engine swap so i figure, just get the modle with the VTEC already in it. basicaly what i wanted to know is.......What is better........a 4dr or a 2dr EX.......which one is heavier and do there engine bays have different setups that would alter aftermarket mods abilities?? you guys really know your stuff, if you could take a second to help me out it will make my day!

with a name like DUI, I don't know if I want you behind the steering wheel of a car :p

Which do you think is heavier, two doors or four doors? Other than they they are pretty much exactly alike besides the cosmetic differences.

LOL great SN dood!

4 door is a bit heavier not too much really
and the SOHC motors just dont hold up to the real Bs that should be in these cars alot of ppl with an EX will still want a swap.

also you can convert the dx into a vtec easily.

what i would do: get the 2dr dx (save you a little money). swap in a b18b and turbo OR swap b18c and go N/A. if you wanted to stay with civic engines i would still go b series... b16a.

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actually i thought the 4 door was lighter than the 2 door.

in order from light to heavy i thought it went hatch, 4 door, 2 door

Right on! another question? how hard is it to wire a dx that isnt setup for vtec and then put in a new vtec into it? wouldnt it be easyier in the ex because it is already equipted with some of the brains? oh! and on my news front, i'm selling my honda and ranchero by the end of the week and then going straight to this one dealer in the boonies to buy a 4dr civic ex 92. after looking over alot of 2drs and 4drs i found that i think it would be cooler to see a tricked out 4dr. those 4dr ex 5spd seem to be hard to come by where i live, same elsewhere?

the ex would be a little easier to do a swap into because the harness is already wired for vtec but it wouldn't make a huge difference really.

i like the idea of a stealthy 4 door with a swap... i thought about doing it myself with a 4 door dx i found but i missed my chance to buy it.

The 4drs are actually a little heavier than the 2drs are, maybe 100 or so lbs. My buddy has a 4dr, it used to be a sleeper. He had an h22a swap in it, but then he got the CF hood and CF front lip (and added turbo), so it was less sleeper-ish. But it was nice as hell, personally I'd rather have a 4dr over a 2dr. I think the 2drs look a little odd for some reason (of course I prefer the hatch above both :D)

94 Civic DX
2D 2231
4D 2213

94 Civic EX
2D 2231
4D 2213

this is according to www.edmunds.com. they r usually right, but i have found a few things off. i remember seeing sumwhere the specs on all 5th gen civics, but i can't remember where. if i find it again i'll post it.

i just did some research on the weight issue. it seems that it is not so sure about the weights, of course the trim levels and options play a role. like i read on honda-tech that the factory curb weight for a 92 dx sedan was actually lower than a 92 si hatch.

this is just a kind of neat page i stumbled across when i was browing around

http://www.clubcivic.com/board/specs.php

i used a grain truck scale to weigh my car about half a year ago... it weighed me with my weight correct to within 5 pounds so i figured it was pretty reasonable. when i weighed my car with a trunk full of power tools and other crap and a half tank of gas i got 2550 if i remember correctly

Maybe I'm wrong. I've found a lot of errors on Edmunds before, most of the time they're right but not always. No site is exactly on. A lot of sites I've looked at said that the VX weighed less than a CX, but my CX weighs about 60lbs less than my friends VX (both have the same options like A/C). That site Miataracer posted is good, except I had to e-mail them and let them know that the CX was a 8-valve motor :D, but they changed it and everything else looks correct.

yeah it seems very hard to find out for sure what the weights are for all of the trims and bodys

and as for swaps.....why would someone swap a b18 over a b16? i read that the b16 has a greater ability to mod and is lighter, but i keep seeing all these civics with b18's! whats up? i love the SOHC engine in the ex i'm getting and i heard they arnt all to bad of a engine, a huge difference from the 1.5? i'm not going to do anything major to my car. my grandparents have some money for me and i think i'm going to do a intake/exhaust/headers/cams/clutch combo and then of course make it look pretty. i'm not a millionair and i dont really want to comprimise the integrity of my engine and have to spend more money when it blows, i just want to make it a little bit healthier? does this sound like a good idea or just a stupid day dream?

OH! and another question, how easy is a sr20dett swap? and why does my friend say they are better then the b16?

SR20DET is for a nissan, i don't think it would swap into a honda. i've never heard of it, but w/ money u can put anything into anything. I believe it is a 240hp turbo motor. that's y it's "better" than a B16A.

It has been done twice actually. I believe it was some middle eastern country, but anyways, the had swapped the SR20DET into two different 5th gen 4door civics. I don't know if it was RWD DETs or FWD, but it has been done. Them middle easterners are crazy people, anyone seen the vid of them doing 360's then parallel parking inbetween two cars and ish. Crazy mofos.

LOL didn't see that vid, but I did see the ones where they were "drifting" on sandy roads and kept crashing into cars and people. The video was like 2 minutes long and they kept crashing one right after the other.

OH! and another question, how easy is a sr20dett swap? and why does my friend say they are better then the b16?

The sr20dett is a Nissan motor found in S13's. and if your comparing them side by side without taking the fact that trying to put a nissan motor in a handa will ALWAYS be harder, and the fact the nissan motor powered a RWD car, the SR is a better motor because it came factory turboed so it will have more baseline HP.

The sr20dett is a Nissan motor found in S13's. and if your comparing them side by side without taking the fact that trying to put a nissan motor in a handa will ALWAYS be harder, and the fact the nissan motor powered a RWD car, the SR is a better motor because it came factory turboed so it will have more baseline HP.
They aren't found just in the S13s. They are in the S14, S15, Sunny GTiR(I think it's GTiR), and a few other Nissan vehicles. They also come with a FWD drive train, the Sunny GTiR for example.

But yah, almost futile to stick one in a Honda nonetheless.

They aren't found just in the S13s. They are in the S14, S15, Sunny GTiR(I think it's GTiR), and a few other Nissan vehicles. They also come with a FWD drive train, the Sunny GTiR for example.

But yah, almost futile to stick one in a Honda nonetheless.

Thanks for expanding my limited nissan knowledge GS, any word yet on getting new Mods?

I received a PM from Aves911 today saying they are looking over the candidates. I am sure by the end of the week the new mods will be notified.

nice, good luck

they also had an AWD SR20DET, but i have no idea wut it was in. the only way i know this is because i was helpin my buddy put one in his FWD NX and we had to take off the AWD tranny and put his tranny on it.

P.S. i second that good luck

they also had an AWD SR20DET, but i have no idea wut it was in. the only way i know this is because i was helpin my buddy put one in his FWD NX and we had to take off the AWD tranny and put his tranny on it.

P.S. i second that good luck
AWD SR20DET, never heard of that. Find me some info, sounds interesting.

what about the SR20's in the sentra se-r or the sx200 se-r? are those canidates?

what about the SR20's in the sentra se-r or the sx200 se-r? are those canidates?
they are the exact same with different internals and tuning and no turbo obviously. Swapping any motor other than an D, B, H, F, or K series motor into a Honda is going to cost serious cash.

Excluding the F20c (S2000) also. Because this will also cost quite a bit of cash to put in.
Had to add that because I know how noobs think, "he said I could put an F-series in with no problem."

yah, F20C is a no no

They aren't found just in the S13s. They are in the S14, S15, Sunny GTiR(I think it's GTiR), and a few other Nissan vehicles. They also come with a FWD drive train, the Sunny GTiR for example.

But yah, almost futile to stick one in a Honda nonetheless.

Since you didn't mention this, I thought I'd add it.:) The FWD SR20DET is typically refered to as the SR20DET "Bluebird."

Actually the Bluebird is a vehicle that Nissan used to manufacture that came with the SR20DET in it.

Actually the Bluebird is a vehicle that Nissan used to manufacture that came with the SR20DET in it.

My point is the "Bluebird" was FWD SR20DET engine you didn't mention. I thought I'd throw it in there since you didn't mention it, and it in is pretty commenly know. Since it is one of the more commen FWD SR20DET's out there, I know of many who just refer to all FWD SR20DET's as "bluebirds" for short, correct or not.

Among these SR20DET's, both FWD and RWD, the actual turbo's used differ (which is one of the reasons being specfic about which car the motor came from is a good thing). The Bluebird SR20DET had a Garrett T25 Turbo on it. The GTI-R had a Garrett T28 on it. As for the RWD Silvia's, the PS13 Silvia had a Garrett T25 on it, the S14 & S15 had a Garrett T28 w/ a daul ball bearng center section.

My point is the "Bluebird" was FWD SR20DET engine you didn't mention. I thought I'd throw it in there since you didn't mention it, and it in is pretty commenly know. Since it is one of the more commen FWD SR20DET's out there, I know of many who just refer to all FWD SR20DET's as "bluebirds" for short, correct or not.

Among these SR20DET's, both FWD and RWD, the actual turbo's used differ (which is one of the reasons being specfic about which car the motor came from is a good thing). The Bluebird SR20DET had a Garrett T25 Turbo on it. The GTI-R had a Garrett T28 on it. As for the RWD Silvia's, the PS13 Silvia had a Garrett T25 on it, the S14 & S15 had a Garrett T28 w/ a daul ball bearng center section.

whatever honda boy. we all know the bluebird is nothing more than a big yellow school bus for all the little kiddies to ride. come on, lets get serious here!

whatever honda boy. we all know the bluebird is nothing more than a big yellow school bus for all the little kiddies to ride. come on, lets get serious here!

LOL...Well, I suppose that qualifes as a USDM "Bluebird," hahaha. I think the JDM SR20DET Bluebird motor would be a better choice for FWD Nissans than it's USDM school bus counterpart. :lol2: :rofl:

LOL...Well, I suppose that qualifes as a USDM "Bluebird," hahaha. I think the JDM SR20DET Bluebird motor would be a better choice for FWD Nissans than it's USDM school bus counterpart. :lol2: :rofl:

I don't know... the USDM bluebird has a pretty beefy engine in it!

I don't know... the USDM bluebird has a pretty beefy engine in it!

Yes, ture. It might however have a ever so slight issue with fitment in the engine bay and hoodline clearence. :rofl: :lol2:

bah fuck you all. I'm going to throw in a RB26DETT in my Sentra. How do you like them beans :p

89-96 Bluebird SSS Turbo
95-?? Avenir Salut Turbo
97-?? R'Nessa Turbo
these cars had the SR20DET AWD according to http://www.silviansw.com/engines.php

cool thanks for the info

HEY GUYS!!! two words.........NEW CAR. yep, got a 1992 4dr civic ex 5spd with 116,758 miles on it for 5000......good deal? I already notised a few things wrong. both front day running lights dont work, when the head lights are turned on, the tail lights don't glow but the brake lights will come on just fine, the dash lights dont work at all and two times yesterday the speedo and tach just stopped working. does anyone have any idea whats going on and if there is a easy fix? it's in the shop as we speak having the switches, fuses and wiring checked out on it (i don't know shit about the electrical). after i get everything running just fine, i want to do a tune up by the end of the week (i'm going to do that). i guess what my question is, what is expected with a tune up? oil change, oil filter, fuel filter, spark plugs, cap and rotor, and ??BELTS?? i really dont know but if you could tell me what would truly help my pony run like a stalion that would be awesome!!!! thanks guys for all your help :-)

Wow $5,000 seems a little high for a '92 with 117,000 miles on it. Especially if things are already going wrong with it. Did you get it from a dealership or private sale? If you got it from a dealership then bring it back and demand they fix what's wrong with it.

$5000 is high for a 92 civic, especially if you bought it from a private party. A 5 speed EX with 116,758 miles on it has a private party value of $3,430 according to the Kelly Blue Book. The dealer (retail) value for the car is $4,785, so $5000 is still high, even if bought from a dealership.
www.kbb.com

In regards to the brake lights working but the tailis not lighting up when not on the brake. Brake lighbulbs are dual filament. Meaning there are 2 filaments. One for the taillight and one for the brake part. When the lights are turned on, the taillights light up. When the brake is hit, the second filament is activated and lights. the primary filament is burnt out. That's why it lights when the brakes are hit but nothing else. Solution, buy new lightbulbs. The lightbulb number is 2057 for the taillights. Just replace the bulbs and there you go.

As for the "daytime running lights," what are you refering to. I have a 92 civic and it has nothing I would refer to as daytime running lights. There arer no lights that are just ment to come on with the ignition. If you are refering to the parking lights (the lights in the corner lamp) not coming on when you turn the parking lights or headlights on, your bulbs are simply out there. Again ,these are dual filament bulbs, so it's always possible the turn siugnal works but he parking light filament is burnt out. If this is the case, replace the bulb. If you have stock corner lamps use a 3496 bulb. If it is aftermarket ones a more commen 1157 will work (the base is the same with the 2 bulbs, but the lenght-shape of the glass varies). Replacing the belts is not included in a tune up, though they typically will be checked for wear of course.

yeah u don't have daytime running lights. second it's u'r parking lights fuse that is blown, that's y u'r tail lights and dash lights r not on. it's very unlikely that the front corner lights, tail lights, and dash lights r all burned out, but u'r blinkers and brake lights working. it's the parking lights fuse. happened in my 94 civic ex. easy fix.

yeah u don't have daytime running lights. second it's u'r parking lights fuse that is blown, that's y u'r tail lights and dash lights r not on. it's very unlikely that the front corner lights, tail lights, and dash lights r all burned out, but u'r blinkers and brake lights working. it's the parking lights fuse. happened in my 94 civic ex. easy fix.

Well, the dash speedo and tach stopping working is different from the dash lights not working. In a 92 civic, even with the taillights/dash lights fuse blown, the speedo and tach should still work. Also, if the taillight fuse was the sole problem, I would expect the taillight brake lights shouldn't really light either. Check the bulbs is an easy enough fix. It's also good to rule out the cheap fixes, like bulbs and fuses, yourself. Otherwise you risk paying someone to tell you it was a fuse and 2 bulbs, etc.

Anyways, the dash light fuse doesn't stop the insterments from working. Even with the dash/taillights fuse out, the interments should still work. If his speedo and tach stopped working like he said, there is likely a deeper issue as well.

Well, the dash speedo and tach stopping working is different from the dash lights not working. In a 92 civic, even with the taillights/dash lights fuse blown, the speedo and tach should still work. Also, if the taillight fuse was the sole problem, I would expect the taillight brake lights shouldn't really light either. Check the bulbs is an easy enough fix. It's also good to rule out the cheap fixes, like bulbs and fuses, yourself. Otherwise you risk paying someone to tell you it was a fuse and 2 bulbs, etc.

Anyways, the dash light fuse doesn't stop the insterments from working. Even with the dash/taillights fuse out, the interments should still work. If his speedo and tach stopped working like he said, there is likely a deeper issue as well.

agreed on the speedo and tach should still work even if the lights r out. but i know for a fact, that the tail lights, parking lights, and instrument lights all run thru the same fuse. the brake lights r on their own circuit. for the lights not working, blown fuse. for the tach and speedo, yeah that sounds like a bigger problem.