turbo intake setup
chcknugget
11-12-2004, 08:52 PM
I'm trying to figure out why my roommates idle is horrible. He has a vacuum port clamped off, and another one siliconed out. I don't know what is supposed to go there, but is he missing his iacv? I think he might be missing something else to, but give it a looksee...
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/240769stevesturbo.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/240769stevesturbo.JPG
CivicSpoon
11-12-2004, 09:10 PM
might be a long shot, but maybe check the injectors to see if they're in all the way or if the rings (called O-rings right?) are damaged on them. The reason I say this is because my friend has surging high idle and it ended up being the injectors were pushed out and a ripped ring.
chcknugget
11-12-2004, 09:39 PM
Thanks for the reply, but I don't think that's his problem. Is there anything that's missing from the picture (see question marks)? He pulled apart his intake manifold 2 weeks ago and found no problems in there, but I'll ask him about it.
limited by physics
11-13-2004, 04:03 PM
I would look at the VECI label under the hood for the vaccum diagram and figure out what is going on. I don't know much about this particular vehicle, though if I had to assume anything I would start by seeing that the plugs tell you, if it's buring lean, unmetered air leak, if it's burning rich, well numerous possibilitys, also check the o2 sensor values with a small voltmeter and see if they are within spec. I don't know what spec is, so you will have to call autozone, or look it up elsewhere. Sorry I can't be more help.
CivicSpoon
11-13-2004, 04:31 PM
Maybe I just don't see it, but does he have a MAP sensor hooked up? Or is it under that red wire?
The "?" mark on the right looks fine, that I know for sure.
The "?" mark on the right looks fine, that I know for sure.
97CivicX
11-13-2004, 05:28 PM
survey says... put the map sensor back where it belongs.
chcknugget
11-13-2004, 07:50 PM
What is the MAP sensor? Is that the same as the MAF (mass air flow sensor)? This picture is a little different, but I'm not exactly sure where I should be looking.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/240769100_0588.JPG
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/240769100_0588.JPG
Ricochet
11-13-2004, 07:57 PM
The left arrow is where either the maf or tps should hook up. See that other little black circle thing on the back with two screws holding it on? It's circled on top in this pic, and they should look exactly alike. I forget which one is which, but I know the engine should have one of each! I'm assuming the tps is what he's missing since it's right next to the throttle cable.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Ricochet16/tps.jpg
The capped off thing is for a ~6" vacuum line that goes straight into the back of the engine. Is there another capped off hole on the block back there? It would also help if you told us what kind of engine he has.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v260/Ricochet16/tps.jpg
The capped off thing is for a ~6" vacuum line that goes straight into the back of the engine. Is there another capped off hole on the block back there? It would also help if you told us what kind of engine he has.
chcknugget
11-13-2004, 08:46 PM
He said the engine is out of a 97. It is a vtec twin cam out of another car. I can not verify size at this time. Here is a picture of the turbo setup if that helps at all.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/240769100_0589.JPG
TPS is throttle position sensor, right? This sensor probably controls the idle. Where would the Idle air control valve be? For my jimmy the MAF is directly in the air intake, the IACV is right on the throttlebody, and the TPS is actually another cable on the throttle, so I haven't been much help as to what's missing on his setup.
Anyways, I took this picture as well. I see the black circular disk, and it looks like something is connected to it. I bet you're right on the TPS.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/240769100_0586.JPG[/img]
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/240769100_0589.JPG
TPS is throttle position sensor, right? This sensor probably controls the idle. Where would the Idle air control valve be? For my jimmy the MAF is directly in the air intake, the IACV is right on the throttlebody, and the TPS is actually another cable on the throttle, so I haven't been much help as to what's missing on his setup.
Anyways, I took this picture as well. I see the black circular disk, and it looks like something is connected to it. I bet you're right on the TPS.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/240769100_0586.JPG[/img]
chcknugget
11-13-2004, 08:50 PM
O yeah, my friend took his air filter off for the first pic so you can see the turbo. He doesn't run THAT reckless!
CivicSpoon
11-13-2004, 09:36 PM
The map sensor it that black box on the firewall, looks like he's using a 2-bar or 3-bar GM map sensor. But it doesn't look like it's even hooked up at all, just sitting there.
So it's probably the TPS that he's missing.
So it's probably the TPS that he's missing.
chcknugget
11-13-2004, 09:43 PM
Does the TPS plug right into the MAP sensor?
CivicSpoon
11-13-2004, 10:33 PM
I don't believe so. Here's some images to look at. From the pic you put up, you can't see the TPS really.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/watermark.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/tbody.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/watermark.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/tbody.jpg
chcknugget
11-13-2004, 10:56 PM
Thanks for the help, is something supposed to plug into the MAP sensor? It looks like there's just a bare electrical plug. Is the MAP the same as a MAF?
CivicSpoon
11-13-2004, 11:44 PM
The MAP measures the vacuum and pressure of the air and the MAF measures the volume of air going through.
There should be a vacuum line hooked into the MAP sensor as well as wires to it. The wires are the ones from the stock MAP sensor, only you have to cut off the plug and get it to plug into the 2-bar or 3-bar sensor (depending on which one he's using). Here's a pic of the wires on the stock sensor (instead of using the 3-bar GM sensor he decided to use a "missing link" with his stock one):http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/MAP.jpg
Here's some wiring info on the 3-bar if you need it: http://www.hondata.com/3barinstall.html
There should be a vacuum line hooked into the MAP sensor as well as wires to it. The wires are the ones from the stock MAP sensor, only you have to cut off the plug and get it to plug into the 2-bar or 3-bar sensor (depending on which one he's using). Here's a pic of the wires on the stock sensor (instead of using the 3-bar GM sensor he decided to use a "missing link" with his stock one):http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/MAP.jpg
Here's some wiring info on the 3-bar if you need it: http://www.hondata.com/3barinstall.html
97CivicX
11-14-2004, 12:15 PM
the tps sensor is in the correct spot, it is directly across from the throttle cable. its the top yellow circle in ricochet's picture.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/240769100_0586.JPG
the black thing in the bottom of this picture is the map sensor(yes, it does the same thing as a MAF but in a different way). this should be where the silicon is on the throttle body in the first picture.
problem should have nothing to do with tps if he didnt touch it.
SSAC :disappoin
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/240769100_0586.JPG
the black thing in the bottom of this picture is the map sensor(yes, it does the same thing as a MAF but in a different way). this should be where the silicon is on the throttle body in the first picture.
problem should have nothing to do with tps if he didnt touch it.
SSAC :disappoin
chcknugget
11-14-2004, 12:19 PM
Yeah, it looks like that plug would fit on there based on the picture. Would you suggest he reattach the MAP sensor where it should go? Might this fix the idle revving up and down?
LOL I know it can't be good, but what's SSAC?
LOL I know it can't be good, but what's SSAC?
97CivicX
11-14-2004, 12:22 PM
yes put the map sensor back.
SSAC is SSAutochrome off of ebay. their shit=shit. which is your friend's manifold, turbo, wastegate, and downpipe.
SSAC is SSAutochrome off of ebay. their shit=shit. which is your friend's manifold, turbo, wastegate, and downpipe.
civic_4drT
11-29-2004, 12:35 AM
Im not sure if you still have the same problem but I didnt see that anybody actually answered your question so Im going to go ahead and give my point of view...
the turbo setup looks fine but kinda ghetto. I had the same idle problem when I installed my turbo and the problem is that the MAP sensor doesnt have a missing link, so whenever he boosted it, he tripped his MAP and now it's not working right. What the missing link does is that it blows off any extra air (boost) that its not supposed to be reading because the engine is supposed to be N/A.
The missing link is a small kinda rectangle piece of metal that goes on your MAP sensor and hooks up to that hose. It cost on average about $ 50 bucks. hope that answers your question if it wasnt already.
the turbo setup looks fine but kinda ghetto. I had the same idle problem when I installed my turbo and the problem is that the MAP sensor doesnt have a missing link, so whenever he boosted it, he tripped his MAP and now it's not working right. What the missing link does is that it blows off any extra air (boost) that its not supposed to be reading because the engine is supposed to be N/A.
The missing link is a small kinda rectangle piece of metal that goes on your MAP sensor and hooks up to that hose. It cost on average about $ 50 bucks. hope that answers your question if it wasnt already.
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