which supercharger is best?

i've heard the jackson racing supercharger is over priced, but is it worth it? Also, what about a supercharger from Neuspeed? any other companies make one for a decent price?

Quote from JR website:
"Prelude owners can have the best of all worlds - lots of engine displacement, VTEC technology and JR's top-of-the-line supercharger system. With a handful of standard performance upgrades, this combination will put almost 235hp to the pavement." So the answer to your question "is it worth it?" is up to you...is 235 whp and 200 lbs torque worth $3250? JRSC's are spec'ed for 5th gens, BTW.

Vortech also makes a supercharger for the Prelude, but like the JRSC, it's only for 5th gens. I'm sure you can fit them into a 4th gen, but they're made for 5th gens, so I think the C.A.R.B. exception is void if you don't use the right application.

Neuspeed only makes superchargers for VW's, dammit.

Vortech does not make a supercharger kit for any prelude. Although I wish they did. The only company that does make them is Jackson Racing.

for the price of the supercharger ($3250) why dont you just by a turbocharger. there is so much more potential with turbos than supercharger.

well, don't discredit the supercharger so fast. for a prelude i would say it's certainly a great alternative to a turbo. if for any other honda, i would definately suggest the turbo over the jrsc kit, but the M62 eaton blower is actually quite potent relative to the M45 used in civics and integras.

but like someone said, no kit is available for the 4th gen. it'd have to be a custom job. so in that case, i'd go turbo. better bang for the buck .

The supercharger has its advantages, but so does turbo. If you get a supercharger, you always have boost on demand. The supercharger is boosting throughout the RPM range. For a turbo, you have to deal with some turbo lag.

A turbo is far more flexible. With a boost controller, you can adjust boost on the fly. The JRSC supercharger cannot, you are limited to either a 7psi pully or a 9psi pully.

There is potential in both, but the SC doesn't go "psssh"..... :iceslolan

id go w/ turbo...a good t3/t4 system installed right youre going to be at full boost around 3500 rpms so the turbo lag isnt that bad when running around 7-8psi...get in double digit psi and you start getting a little more lag

too compensate a bit for the lag get new flywheel. i heard those help it a bit. but they run about 500 for a good one from unorthodxox. also if u want some quick hp but u dont quite have enough for the turbo get a new fuel rail and a air/fuel regulator.

most modern turbos are more advanced that lag has become an issue of the past. not non-existent just not so much of a setback for a turbo.

the jrsc may not go 'pssssshhhhh' but it does go,'hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm' :p that's supposed to be a whine or hum. haha

like del said and i said earlier lag as a "major" issue as become a thing of the past...you'll have boost at lower rpms you just wont be at "full" boost. turbo produces power at half boost and considering you'll be at 32-35k rpms and having full boost by that time then you won't notice turbo lag at 6-10 psi. especially if racing and you are redlining then you'll be at full boost at all times b/c as soon as you shift at redline then youre not going to go below 35k rpms so you'll still be at full boost

i talk in broken sentences and thoughts that get off track very easily when typing...i think i have A.D.D....but if you could follow that then you'll understand what i said lol

i could still understand all that, thanks for all the input, still lookin for a sc though, but i've been lookin at a turbo from Drag Turbo, looks good, good price, t3/t4.

i've also heard of somethin, i dont remember what but it spools up the turbo while your idling. i think it had somethin to do with the ecu but i cant remember.

While a turbo is undeniably more flexible, I'd rather take a JRSC over, say, a GReddy turbo kit. H22A bottom end is fairly ridiculous, I think, and a blower would give it a decent competitive kick it needs at low speed rallying.

heres a petition to JR an Vortech to make a supercharger for the other gen's of preludes. so far 2710 signed.
http://www.petitiononline.com/prelude/petition.html

i heard turbos arent as reliable as superchargers, so i'm stickin with the supercharger an i'm hopin to find one.

a supercharger is a lot less up-keep

is it possible for a JRSC for a 5th gen non-SH to fit on a 4th gen Si engine? i've been lookin for a supercharger for my 4th everyday since thursday, i cant find anything.

You can't fine one because they don't make them, haha. However I think I recall AcesHigh saying something about finding a conversion kit for the 4th gen that he found somewhere. I don't know if he had a link or not though.

no, AcesHigh didnt say anything about a conversion. i know none of the more well known companies dont make one for a 4th gen, i was hopin to maybe find a lesser known company who made it. they really need to. sign the petition i hav a link to in the last post i made on the first page, hopefully that will help.

i really doubt any major manufacturer will bother developing a kit for the 4th gen. jackson racing hasn't even had that much success on the kit for the 5th gen. there's no profit for them. and that's all it boils down to. business is business. now that the prelude is discontinued. you'll see less and less of them on the roads, which means less customers.

HONDA, GIVE US BACK THE PRELUDE!!! that's the petition people should start

for the price of the supercharger ($3250) why dont you just by a turbocharger. there is so much more potential with turbos than supercharger.

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A well designed turbo *system* will always have the potential to outperform a S/C. Get properly sized piping, a properly sized I/C and a turbo with the parts you want and you'll be able to tune it into oblivion. The turbo alone has hundreds of different configurations. The multitude of different compressor housings, turbine housings, turbine wheels and compressor wheels make the combinations very vast. You want a quick spooling turbo? Get one. You want a mega-power turbo? Get one. You want one anywhere in the middle? No problem. You'll get better gas mileage, better efficiency and easier adjustability. Wanna turn the boost up or down on a turbo? Turn the knob on the boost controller...done. Wanna turn the boost up or down on the S/C? Bust out the tools. The only thing the S/C has on the turbo is the reduced lag. I've seen turbos make boost at idle, so there goes that. A well designed turbo system will have very little lag...if any at all.

I know there are a LOT of people out there that will swear up and down that S/Cs are the best thing since sliced bread...whatever...have at it...I'll take a turbo any day. Read the "Turbo vs. Supercharger" thread in the Forced Induction section of the Cars in General forum and you will too.

http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/images/TURBO_GT3540_SMALL.jpg

El spooge...that bad boy blow enough air for ~620hp out of my 300ZX... :devil:

yeah i've been lookin for a good turbo. i've heard a turbo from greddy isnt that great so i'm thinkin about a Drag Turbo from Modacar.com, unless anyone else has any suggestions.

"Super efficient and powerful Garrett T04/T3 turbocharger; 4 into 1 cast turbo manifold; Turbonetics Deltagate wastegate; Custom 2.5 inch down pipe; Wastegate dump tube; Larger efficient front mount intercooler; Chrome one piece intercooler and turbo piping; High flow performance fuel pump; Vortech boost dependent fuel pressure regulator; HKS Super Sequential blow-off valve; All necessary plumbing; MAP bypass valves; High flow intake filter and piping.
The DRAG turbo systems come with everything you'll need to transform your Civic into a reliable force-induced super car. Drag Honda and Acura bolt-on turbo kits provide easy bolt-on power. Drag Gen III will add up to 60 HP to your car using pupmp fuel.
Drag Gen III turbo kits are available for Acura Integra Honda Civic Honda Accord and Honda Prelude Drag High flow 4 into 1 cast iron turbo exhaust manifold Turbonetics T4/T3 High flow turbocharger assembly Turbonetics Deltagate Mark II Wastegate (7 PSI Spring) Drag High Flow front mount intercooler w/ polished cast aluminum end tanks BLITZ Super Blow Off Valve Drag mandrel bent high flow chrome plated intercooler pipes Drag mandrel bent high flow exhaust down pipe Drag wastegaste dump tube assembly Drag Blue silicone hose and hose clamps Drag High pressure/High volume inline fuel pump Drag Boost dependent FMU fuel regulator Intake air filter assembly Map sensor bypass valves Stainless steel braided oil feed line w/ fittings Oil return assembly All nessasary hardware and fittings All nessassary hose and hose clamps All nessassary gaskets
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$2995.00

Back when h22a.org was still up, there were people with 4th gen lude's using JR Superchargers. If i remember correctly, modifications must be made to the firewall in order for them to fit properly.

Seems like too much of a hassle to me. I think you're better off with a turbo.

Brand of turbo doesn't matter. Decide what your goal for the car is and plan accordingly. Learn how to read a compressor map...invaluable when it comes to planning.

which wastes more gas?

which wastes more gas?

Generally speaking, a s/c will get worse gas mileage. The S/C is spinning at crank speed regardless of load and the ecu has to compensate for this whether you're flooring it down a straitaway or just meandering about town.

A turbo, however, isn't just rpm dependant like the s/c...it's load dependant as well. This means that as you're cruising down the freeway or whatever, the turbo's just loppin along...but as soon as you mash the throttle, here comes the boost...and the added fuel...

didnt know that, one of the things that i really look for in a car is the mpg, gas is just too expensive now to waste like that. i'm definetly goin turbo, i hav no other option anyway

People LOOOOOOOOOOVE superchargers and I don't even think they know why. I think it has to do with the word "supercharger" sounding cooler and the thought of "no lag" sounding good. What they don't seem to know (or care about) is that, with today's technology, a well designed turbo system can beat out a supercharger any day. I've been in so many arguments with people regarding the S/C vs. Turbo debate and there are a lot of stubborn ass holes out there.

Thanks for not being one of those people.

Not to badbouth superchargers, but there is an infinite amount of flexibility in turbochargers, that will almost never be found in a superchargers. The main thing I tend to not like about superchargers, is the uneccesary wear that they put on your motor. Superchargers are belt driven off of your pulleys, which already in itself is somewhat inefficient. The upside of superchargers is that there is seemingly no lag. This is essentially because there is nothing to spool. Superchargers spin in sync with your motor, so the power is always there on demand. Although, there are a variety of turbo setups made to eliminate lag anyway. Ever heard of controlling boost on the fly with a supercharger? Didn't think so. Turbo all the way.

Pretty much what I said. Good to know I'm not the only one that thinks this way...feel like it sometimes...

ive got a buddy that has a 350z and is just full of his self and thinks that his car is god but he does do his research and knows just about everything there is to know about his car. He was telling me about a belt driven turbo that a company is coming out w/ that will fit the 350z. THe way it works (by the best of my knowledge w/ him explainin it to me) is that at low rpms it is belt driven to give you boost right then w/ no lag but then at higher rpms after somehow it spools up like a turbo using an exhaust manifold you have more boost at higher rpms. I'm not 100% sure that it works EXACTLY like that i was sort of half paying attention to him when he was telling me. I was just wondering if any of you guys have heard of this yet.

i've heard of that, i couldnt remember where i saw it or how it worked but that might be it. i'm pretty sure your friends right

Here it is. I forget where I got it from, probably PO.

http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/135572jrsc4thgen.JPG

Superchargers rock at Autocross, there's nothing like insta-boost to bring you back around corners.

I've heard of similar things being attempted, but nothing practical was ever developed to my knowledge. Why not just save yourself all that trouble and complexity and just plan out a good turbo system?