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Disillusioned Yanks eye NZ
06 November 2004
By ANN-MARIE JOHNSON
Inquiries from Americans wanting to move to New Zealand have "exploded" since George W Bush was re-elected president.


The Immigration Service's website had 10,300 hits from the United States the day after the election. Usually it gets 2500 hits a day.

And the phones of its US marketing directors in Los Angeles, San Francisco and Portland, Oregon, have been ringing nonstop since the election.

Marketing director Don Badman said there had been up to 300 telephone calls and emails a day.

"We've been doing this for 11 months and it's been building up to about six to eight calls a day, but from Thursday it's exploded. It really started picking up from 11pm the night of the election."

The San Francisco Chronicle reported that many Americans were inquiring about moving to New Zealand, Australia and Canada as a result of the election.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3087905a10,00.html

Good ridens to those who want to move. I'm just still having a really tough time fatheming the extreme hatred of Bush. What happened to just disagreeing and moving on when your candidate lost? How did people b/c so idiotic?

I may disagree with Kerry or Clinton or whomever, but I don't hate them just b/c i disagree with their policies and I would not move out if Kerry would have been elected.

You know what's funny about this? I've been wanting to move to NZ since the 3rd year of his first term.

Makes sense to me, lotta people think canada is looking pretty good right about now, I think they're abandoning America to those who would do it harm. We have family friends who are BIG republicans who moved to New Zealand, of course it was before Bush became Fuhrer. Ohh I hear theres great fishing there, yet another pluss!

Canada Had 120,000 Inquiries Wednesday, It's Settled Down To 65,000 A Day, But The Norm Is 20,000 So Its Still Way Up!

Texas, If You Could Understand What A Large Part Of The World Hates About Bush, Or Finds Terrifying, You Would Be Able To Understand Why They Wanted Out.

Idiotic Is A Matter Of Perspective, They Are Now Wondering Why The Majority Of Americans Were Idiotic Enough To Vote For Him.

Typical of the liberal species, cut and run rather than stay and fight. Let them go but make them renounce there citizenship so they cannot come back!!!

Why...are you scared that they will win next time?

Why...are you scared that they will win next time?
Honestly, I think the liberal wing of the democratic party is done in this country. They have aligned themselves with such extremists and extreme ideology that they have marginalized themselves politically. Instead of debating the merits of their positions they choose to kick and scream whenever challenged or get in your face and slap it when you dare disagree. I think Americans as a whole are fairly fed-up with them. As ignorant or appalling as it may seem to you we are still a country based on religion, morals, and values.

Yesssss, Id love to get more of those little babys out of America, and into a country they fit into more.

Most atheists have morals and values, just not the same ones as alot of very religious people. I'm a proud atheist.

Most atheists have morals and values, just not the same ones as alot of very religious people. I'm a proud atheist.
Morals and values have to be based on a belief system with judgement and consequences. Humanistic atheism is based on nothing and has no consequences beyond law of man, and our laws are based on theology. I think it takes a lot more strenghth to have faith than none at all.

Good ridens to those who want to move. I'm just still having a really tough time fatheming the extreme hatred of Bush. What happened to just disagreeing and moving on when your candidate lost? How did people b/c so idiotic?

I may disagree with Kerry or Clinton or whomever, but I don't hate them just b/c i disagree with their policies and I would not move out if Kerry would have been elected.
Just what NZ needs....a bunch more liberals.

The Kerry faction is a worse group of losers than I figured. Good patriots who want to better their nation? Nah....whining spoiled babies who if they don't get their way want to take their ball and go home (or to NZ).

Fuck, here they come.




:evillol:

Yay mass exodus. So glad that I won't have to listen to as much whining as normal, although now that I think about it the ones who stay will probably whine more just to take over for the ones who left.

the part i REALLY don't get with religion is faith...

it's cute, and yerah it has to take strength to believe in something blindly despite all provable/tangible evidence to the contrary. Really anybody like that has no right to criticise kids about believing in monsters in the closet or santa...

those yanks are gonna have a hard time... they dont want to be in the states, everyone there seems to hate them because they don't like war or they think gay people should have equal rights, or they don't like the idea of killing ALL the muslims, and people outside the US will hate them even more because they are american!

I'm agnostic so uhh ya.

I miss believing in Santa, it always made Christmas more fun.

You shouldn't like war, but you should accept it when necessary.

Gays should have the same rights as straights as far as being able to get the benefits of marriage, I just don't think it should be called marriage. I'm all for civil unions.

Umm who came up with killing all the muslims? Most of them are friendly, its just that the more extremist ones are dangerous and need to be taken out, and yes I do have islamic friends.

like my original thread title said...welcome.Our immigration system is geared towards giving priority to those who can add value to our culture and economy.We'll gladly take any people who have the skills that a growing economy needs, regardless of their political affiliation. If the vocal minority of Republicans [ those who choose to abuse their right to free speech by constantly spewing hate and rhetoric at anyone who disagrees with them] are enough to convince skilled doctors, nurses, engineers and scientists that things are not about to improve in the US,then we'll gladly take them.

Better we take a whole swag of well qualified Democrats than a single dumb redneck.

like my original thread title said...welcome.Our immigration system is geared towards giving priority to those who can add value to our culture and economy...
Gotta say it, I wish ours were like that!!
If the vocal minority of Republicans [those who choose to abuse their right to free speech by constantly spewing hate and rhetoric at anyone who disagrees with them] are enough to convince skilled doctors, nurses, engineers and scientists that things are not about to improve in the US,then we'll gladly take them..
I may be wrong, correct me if I am guys, but the vast majority of the most vocal, extremist, liberals (the ones who claim they want to leave) are people from money. My sister-in-law was the same way and moved to England in 2001. Now that she is cut-off from family money and has to work her politics have become much more conservative...
Better we take a whole swag of well qualified Democrats than a single dumb redneck..
I really think you'll get opposite of the rednecks. The birkenstock wearing, grass-smoking, do nothing malcontents. Not the professionals...

Better we take a whole swag of well qualified Democrats than a single dumb redneck.
I don't know where you get your information but all republicans are not dumb rednecks.Stereotyping a group of people is wrong, you would be one of the first ones jumping up and down if we did the same thing with muslims, Canadians or Kiwis. I personally know several dumb democrats as well as republicans in the US and I have seen several dumb assed Kiwis but I don't stereotype the whole group as being dumb.

Naki your hatred of Bush has tainted your posts were no one sees what you are saying or trying to say anymore. I enjoy reading your posts but lately the hatred is getting harsh. You have alot of intelligence and some of your opinions are vaild so please go back to posting good posts instead of hatred. You are someone I would be willing to sit down with and buy a beer not that I could keep up with you or with your New Zealand beer.

A majority of liberals fell asleep during this past election, they allowed Kerry to be chosen to lead the democrats. Naki what do you think the election outcome would of been if Dean was chosen to lead the democrats? He may of had a chance unlike Kerry. The US wasn't ready or willing to accept a Boston liberal to lead the government.

dont be so hard on yourself flatrater....

the beers over here are small... and low in alcohol. that way you can say you drank heaps of them! hehe

Probably right we are really showing a hatred for Bush lately that is not particularly objective, but at the same time i guess we were expecting people to see through him by now. I'm not anti-republican, i'm anti Bush, because i see him as the largest threat to world safety and stability. We also feel like we are talking to people who don't look at the issue objectively, so we are becoming less objective to match, eg. fair enough in the start when george said WMD, we said no and you said yes, who knew, but now they have come out and said it was on flawed intel, we say surprise surprise, and you say conspiracy... it's like elvis took them and is hiding out somewhere... when things that blatent come up and people refuse to listen or concede the point, there becomes no way to concede minor points.

the part i REALLY don't get with religion is faith...
it's cute, and yeah it has to take strength to believe in something blindly despite all provable/tangible evidence to the contrary.
Faith is not blind....
When you look at a newborn baby, so innocent and beautiful, you have to have faith that something beyond us can bring such joy. Even looking at a sunrise, an eagle flying or a majestic mountain range can ellicit such thoughts. Man rarely brings beauty to this world and the artists that do typically have faith.
As for "provable/tangible evidence" I find it harder to imagine walking in a forest and finding branches on the ground that spell out "hello" and assuming the branches just happened to land that way. A human is far more complex than a car but we don't find Ferraris everywhere with no idea how they came to be. That we and our world are all a wonderful coincedence of goo coming together and not the product of thought requires a much larger leap of faith for me...
And, yes, God would drive a Ferrari!!

I really think you'll get opposite of the rednecks. The birkenstock wearing, grass-smoking, do nothing malcontents. Not the professionals...

wait so professionals (I'm assuming you mean doctor, lawyers, etc) are NOT the opposite of rednecks? I guess I should expect that kind of logic from a mindless Bush advocate :disappoin it's peopel liek you giving all us Americans a worldwide bad name.

I am also an Atheist, and faith is not blind but the faith religious people put in their God is. This is NOT an attack by any means, but a simple attempt to get you to see why I believe this. I have not seen any proof at all during my lifetime of a God, and therefore putting faith into that God would be blind on my part.
"Even looking at a sunrise, an eagle flying or a majestic mountain range can ellicit such thoughts."
No, they make me think of the beauty of nature and how great it is.
"God" would have voted Kerry :lol2:
"Honestly, I think the liberal wing of the democratic party is done in this country."
Oh come on, there was such a narrow margin of victory, stop kidding yourself.

And, yes, God would drive a Ferrari!!

MMM UNRELIABLE....SUITS HIM.

sorry but that really does sound like a load of hippy BS to me. Perhaps if you find branches spelling Hello its reasonable to assume that A) someone has been there before you. or B) someone spiked your drink, or perhaps you shouldn't have eaten those specific mushrooms.

That's great that people are inquiring about moving to NZ and other places. Expanding ones horizons is always a good thing. While a few thousand enquired about moving away 705,827 people actually made the move to America last year alone.
Welcome.

It's Not About The Numbers... Its About The Sudden Change In Numbers And The Timing.

If You Find Something Saying That Bush Has Attracted More People To America Then You May Have A Good Point.

all i can say to naki is he is right.

myself and many others i talk to are part of the numbers you posted up, we want to get out of here before we are stuck forced to fight in a war we dont want to fight and our taxes go up greatly.

kind of funny how after kerry conceded it only took bush a few hours to say he was raising taxes again haha way to go republicans

I don't know where you get your information but all republicans are not dumb rednecks....

Where did I say Republican?

There's plenty of good Republicans out there, it's the Bushies who are the target of my amusement.It is perfectly acceptable to love your country and your party without loving the President.As I see it, Bush is back because the better candidates didn't apply. :)

wait so professionals (I'm assuming you mean doctor, lawyers, etc) are NOT the opposite of rednecks? I guess I should expect that kind of logic from a mindless Bush advocate :disappoin it's peopel liek you giving all us Americans a worldwide bad name..
The professional class in this country are for the most part conservatives and not about run-away from a good thing like America. Those who would are of the opposite philosophy from rednecks, hippies.
As for calling me a "mindless Bush advocate", that is your uninformed opinion and adds little to your arguement...
I am also an Atheist, and faith is not blind but the faith religious people put in their God is. This is NOT an attack by any means, but a simple attempt to get you to see why I believe this. I have not seen any proof at all during my lifetime of a God, and therefore putting faith into that God would be blind on my part...
As a young man I would call myself an Agnostic. As I've grown older the evidence becomes a little harder to ignore. Being shot on 2 different occasions and surviving after losing over 2 pints of blood and nearly losing my leg may have changed my view somewhat. Hopefully you won't have to experience something like that to believe.
"Even looking at a sunrise, an eagle flying or a majestic mountain range can ellicit such thoughts."
No, they make me think of the beauty of nature and how great it is.
"God" would have voted Kerry ..
This shows how people of faith actually ask more questions and are less prone to "blind belief" than you are. You see something that is beautiful, but a result of chance. I see a creation and wonder what brilliance came up with that. I am willing to accept that there may not be an answer that I can comprehend, apparently you cannot do that.
"Honestly, I think the liberal wing of the democratic party is done in this country."
Oh come on, there was such a narrow margin of victory, stop kidding yourself.
The slide of the liberals began 6 years before you were born. Since 1980 the republicans have consistently won more and more house and senate seats, and practically taken over state governments. The more extreme the liberals have gotten, the stronger the reaction to them has been in the voting booths...
MMM UNRELIABLE....SUITS HIM..
You are brilliant..
sorry but that really does sound like a load of hippy BS to me. Perhaps if you find branches spelling Hello its reasonable to assume that A) someone has been there before you. or B) someone spiked your drink, or perhaps you shouldn't have eaten those specific mushrooms.
Maybe you would assume that but many of us do not drink or do drugs and so I'll take (A) Someone has been there before me. Someone who has thought. I think you missed the point here... If we and our world are just the end result of chance bondings of molecules, then why would you not assume that the branches just happened to fall in that way? We are far more complex than twigs in a pattern but you assume immediately that thought went into the twigs, not us!

For all your brilliance, and I'm not ridiculing, I find it amazing that you cannot open your minds to other possibilities. I'm no "charlie church" and I don't go around praising the lord to others. My faith is a private affair and not for public display. But I do have faith and am encouraging to those who would call themselves agnostics. But for you to completely dismiss the idea, how dark a life you must lead...

Thats another thing thats great about this country. If someone wants to leave, we won't let the door hit him in the ass on the way out. There are millions of hard working people who want in, if a few hundred thousand want out - then have a safe trip.

btw on the same note - has CBass moved to Ireland yet?













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like my original thread title said...welcome.Our immigration system is geared towards giving priority to those who can add value to our culture and economy.We'll gladly take any people who have the skills that a growing economy needs, regardless of their political affiliation. If the vocal minority of Republicans [ those who choose to abuse their right to free speech by constantly spewing hate and rhetoric at anyone who disagrees with them] are enough to convince skilled doctors, nurses, engineers and scientists that things are not about to improve in the US,then we'll gladly take them.

Better we take a whole swag of well qualified Democrats than a single dumb redneck.

such bigotry :disappoin













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All this talk about moving out of the United States, I just wish it were so. Baldwin started it, yet that pussy is still here. Perhaps the government should create an office to expediate the exodus. We could call it the "The Office of Get The Fuck Out Now" and all you'd have to do is call an 800 number. The next day a van shows up at your door, load you and your bongs up, drive you straight to the airport. You sign a paper declaring you give up your American citizenship, and you get free air fare to whatever country you want to move to. I'd drive one of the vans for free.

I've found that lots of red neck republicans who go to my school are actually closet democrats :icon16:. They're only republican because they love their guns and trucks and have moderate views on moral issues.

All this talk about moving out of the United States, I just wish it were so. Baldwin started it, yet that pussy is still here. Perhaps the government should create an office to expediate the exodus. We could call it the "The Office of Get The Fuck Out Now" and all you'd have to do is call an 800 number. The next day a van shows up at your door, load you and your bongs up, drive you straight to the airport. You sign a paper declaring you give up your American citizenship, and you get free air fare to whatever country you want to move to. I'd drive one of the vans for free.

sign me up, i would love to " GET THE FUCK OUT" it would never happen tho, why would bush spend mone on something like that when he could instead use our money for his oil companies?.

both ways to spend our money are rediculous, but only one of them is being used

sign me up, i would love to " GET THE FUCK OUT" it would never happen tho, why would bush spend mone on something like that when he could instead use our money for his oil companies?.
President Bush owns no oil companies. You have absolutely no idea what your babbling about, do you?

"Bush owns stock in General Electric, BP, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, Newmont Gold Mining Corporation, Pennzoil and Tom Brown, Inc."

http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/6_05/vs.html

HE SOLD HIS OWN OIL COMPANY AFTER NEARLY MAKING IT BANKRUPT.... HAHA WONDER WHO WILL BUY AMERICA? ANY BIDDERS?

"Bush owns stock in General Electric, BP, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, Newmont Gold Mining Corporation, Pennzoil and Tom Brown, Inc."
I own stock in some of those and about 20 other companies. That does not make me an owner...

kind of funny how after kerry conceded it only took bush a few hours to say he was raising taxes again haha way to go republicans
I missed that announcement. Bush is raising taxes?! On who?

Actually It Does.... But A Better Point Would Be .... How Many Of Them Can You Make The Shares Go Up Or Down On?

I think they kinda own him in a way... think about it. I think that owning a stake in a company is enough to say you are an owner, it affects your livelyhood.

Good Point Thourun... Though I Find It Hard To Feel Sorry For Him

I missed that announcement. Bush is raising taxes?! On who?

it was all over cnn after kerry conceded, i guess bush isnt too loving afterall huh? who else would he raise taxes on, it was obviously the rich:rolleyes:

So wait he's raising taxes on the upper class or middle class or what? Bring us a link.

Yeah, I'd love to see a statement where Bush will raise taxes. He did have a press conference Wednesday where he promised "radical tax reform" but I never heard him utter "raising taxes" anywhere. When a republican speaks of tax reform it's usually dropping rates.
We can only dream of a flat tax!!

"Bush owns stock in General Electric, BP, Duke Energy, ExxonMobil, Newmont Gold Mining Corporation, Pennzoil and Tom Brown, Inc."

http://www.moles.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/6_05/vs.html

HE SOLD HIS OWN OIL COMPANY AFTER NEARLY MAKING IT BANKRUPT.... HAHA WONDER WHO WILL BUY AMERICA? ANY BIDDERS?
Whoopty-doo. Bush owns stock, millions of people own stock. I own stock in GE and ExxonMobil. Never knew it was a crime to try and make a buck.

Murco, are sure you own stock. B/c if you own stock in a company i would figure you would know, that it is considered being an owner. Depending on the type of stock it is you can own stock and have voting rights or own stock and not have voting rights(i.e. - common stock or preferred stock).

We could go into more detail, but there's really no point since its not the point of the thread.

B/c if you own stock in a company i would figure you would know,

It depends on the type of investment you make. I own some stock that I purchased directly, but both my 401K and brokerage accounts are run through a money manager. I do not dictate the precise stock purchases that they make.

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As for Bush raising taxes - either provide a link or shut the hell up. It sounds like the draft arguement all over again.













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It depends on the type of investment you make. I own some stock that I purchased directly, but both my 401K and brokerage accounts are run through a money manager. I do not dictate the precise stock purchases that they make.
That's the point I was trying to make. Thanks for making it clearer.

hey i just figured i'd give some ACTUAL info instead of just bitching at people.

he owns stock. (i agree whoopey)
all be it a LOT of oil stock

he OWNED his own oil company. till it turned sour and he sold it.

as i said though... how many shareholders can make the shares go up or down? (significantly)

plus... does george snr own an oil co.?? cause he's getting old.

such bigotry :disappoin
We also took a substantial number of the refugees from the Middle East that were refused by Australia.

They were housed and inducted in NZ instead of being herded onto an island in the Indian ocean or detained in fenced compounds.

yah... but they'll end up in Australia anyway.

a large percentage of NZ's immigrants only come here because kiwis are allowed into Australia, so as soon as they get their NZ papers off they go.

If NZ doesn't do something to tighten their security and stuff then Australia will wind up doing it for them by putting restrictions on Kiwi migrants.

at the moment NZ is the biggest hole in Australias immigration policy and that means potentially security. (Kiwi's don't need visas to live in aus indefinately for those who don't know)