is it worth moddifying a probe?

Hey my probe's got 118,000 miles on it. it's a 94 gt. i was thinking about putting around 10 grand in it, getting the klze engine upgrade, and getting turbo's installed(maybe super charged!!!) but the thing is... it's still fwd. besides the fact the probe is fwd, is it a good building block? or should i look into a difern't kind of car? thing is, the probe looks sooo good. well it really doesn't right now, but after all my mod's it will :). right now the car is having problems, and i don't want to put 10 grand into it, then have sensor's keep going out on me. do they make a 6 speed transmission for the probe? or is there anyway you can get one in there? cause i hate when your on the high way and your running at 4000 rpm's. ok thanks,
-tom

do they make a 6 speed transmission for the probe?
--no
they only had 5speed mtx and/or 4speed atx w/od

on the highway @ 80mph my rpms are @ ~3000
the only way my rpms hit the 4k+ mark is when i want to pass a minivan whore (aka soccer moms) on the highway [ they drive too slow in my opinion]

now for the engine, depending on where you look you can get a jdm klze motor 2.5 L V6 mazda motor for your probe gt @ $1000 to $1500. i would also get a matching jdm tranny for the probe gt too

i think im just going to get a 3000gt actually... probily a waste of money to modify this car.

hey, also that's weird cause my car goes to 4000 on the highway while im in 5th going 80. hmmm?

in my probegt (atx tranny), around 80mph the rpms are 3200
also depending on the elevation of the highway,
they will hit the 4k mark with out flooring it.
if you put the $10k or more into the car,
:smokin:the probegt will smoke a 3000gt

unless you get a vr-4 a 3000gt is a waste

very true....3000gt is a wastehttp://files.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/images/clear.gif

yea, i would never get a stock 3000gt or an sl, id definatly have to get a vr-4, but im still thinking about moding my probe. would a 94 pgt with the klze engine upgrade, new klze ecu, new klze transmission, turbo's, completly new dual exhaust, a true cold air intake, and new high performance fuel pump, also high performance plugs and wires installed, beat a 3000gt vr-4. also i want to do some weight reductions to my probe, taking out the back seat, and stuff. can anyone else think of some things i should do? and does it sound like i could do all this for under 10 grand? with labor? i could do some work myself, but not as much as id like to. oh yea, can you bore out the cylinders and the throttle body on the klze engine? and should i get a high performance computer chip installed to? thanks,
tom
hmm, anything else?

also any one have any idea on how to get the klze parts into the U.S? and will any mechanic install these for me, or should i go to a shop that specializes in this stuff? thanks,
tom

dont forget about the high-performance throttlebody, cam gears, cam shaft, pullys..

all are located in canada, unless otherwise noted

http://www.sunrisejdmmotors.com/index.php Canada
http://www.jspecautosports.com/default.aspx Canada
http://www.japanstarmotor.com/klze.html Manassas Park,va
http://www.japandomesticmotor.com/ Canada
http://www.naganojapanese.com/ Canada

as always call ahead and ask questions
and make sure, when you are building it up, it is smog leagl in the state you reside in. especially in cali where it is the strictest in emmisions.

and yes you have to have a catalytic converter on you car

a vr4 is only high 13's a j-spec with basic bolt-ons will run low 14's maybe tap high 13's so a turbo j-spec will easily walk a vr4

hey, that's awesome! how much better is a twin turbo then a regular turbo? also, can you buy the j-spec engine new? because all of the one's i have seen are used, and exact mileage is unknown. ok thanks.
tom

oh yea, i thought the klze was a 3.0 liter? isn't there an engine for the probe that is?

ya its worth it got a klze engine tranny ecu with turbo setup for sale 701-391-4650 trevor any questions

hey, how many miles do you have on the engine and tranny? could you e-mail me with some info on it. my e-mail is [email protected] thanks
-tom

Is the klze engine for the probe a 2.5l or a 3.0? thanks

Is the klze engine for the probe a 2.5l or a 3.0? thanks

it is a 2.5L V6

their never was a 3.0L probegt engine

yeah fix up the probe. who cares if the engine isnt working right u said u were putting the klze in it . thats what i wouild do. and then fix it up that starts u out at 200hp then put the parts on it hahaa thats baddd dude do it do it

it is a 2.5L V6

their never was a 3.0L probegt engine
yeah theres a 3.0l v6 in the 1st gen thats the fasted stock probe

yeah theres a 3.0l v6 in the 1st gen thats the fasted stock probe
I think the 92 gt is the fastest stock probe something like 15.2 in the quarter

There is an after market 3L probe motor that not many people have ventured into that is the 220hp 200tq SHO out of a taurus. That was believed to be the largest motor able to be put in the probe until I came along.

Ive got a 1st gen probe with the 3.0L in it. im not sure if its the fastest stock probe made, but from what ive looked up it should run 16-16.2 stock. ive seen a probe with a SHO motor swap in it. Im thinkin bout it myself but im not sure. there are also rumors of the 3.8L being dumped into the probes.

How does a KFZE 2.0L V6 engine compare to a FE3? How much power would a KFZE w/turbo have? I've seen some diagnostics where an FE3 turbo has around 260 hp and about 270 lb/tor. Price wise, is an FE3 worth it compared to the KRZE?

Btw, My 93 ford probe SE runs 75 mph at about 3200 rpm.. I often find myself shifting down to 4th to accelerate heavily to pass granny mobiles though :( small 4 cyl :(

If you are thinking about doing the SHO motor swap check this site out

http://www.harborside.com/~lhumbert/probepg.html

although it hasnt been updated in a while it will tell you a little. Also I talked to the guy that opend that site and is doing the project, he is having a hard time with it and said that he wouldnt recommend that swap because all of the service parts are discontinued and as of yet there are very very few performance parts...even fewer than the probe....If you can believe that. And what 3.8L are you talking about?

The 3.8L is the motor from the cougar/t-birds. The SHO motor is the biggest ive heard put in the probe without any frame moddifications. Th e3.8L i beleve would require some firewall and fender fixin. There are some pychos out there that are trying to put 5.0s in there probes , but to me that is just wayyyy too much work. By the way im talking bout the 1st gen. probes and swaps, im not to sure if the 2nd gen engine bays are the same size.

wtf, why does my probe run at 4k rpm's in 5th gear going 80? it's a 6 cyl. is it just that im at a high elevation, or is there something wrong w/ the engine/trans? thanks
-tom

wow.. that's wierd dude.. but my 2.0L 4 cyl 1993 SE was at 5k rpms in 5th going 110. (btw... 110 seems to be top speed for my stock '93 SE) its about 3.2k rpm at 70mph in 5th....

Question... what would be someones recommendation for an engine/turbo for my '93 Probe SE if I'm wanting around 220 hp? How much would you estimate costs to be? Thanks in advance!

Don't confuse generations!

1) The first-gen Probe (1989-1992) had three engines: base Mazda 2.2 four, Mazda 2.2 turbo four, or Ford 3.0 V6 (from the Taurus). Because it has Taurus engine mounts, any 1986-1995 Taurus motor - including the SHO V6 and the big 3.8 V6 - can be stuffed under the Probe hood with some other modifications. However...

2) The second-gen Probe (1993-1997) had two engines: base Mazda 2.0 four or Mazda 2.5 V6. These, then, are limited strictly to Mazda engines unless you're super-talented as an engineer or have more money than God. Most common swap here is for the 200hp J-spec KL-ZE 2.5 V6, though you could also go for a supercharged KL by using bits from a Mazda Millenia. However, the Millenia charger tends to have a very short lifespan, requiring a major rebuild or replacement (both being expensive) sometime after 60k miles.

I'd say stick with the Probe and look for the KL-ZE. With enough tuning and weight reduction, you'll kill the average 3000GT - they're awfully heavy and just slightly under-motored for their size.