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05 Mustang, v6 possibly a new drift car?


88novarules
11-05-2004, 03:50 PM
When the new mustang is released, there could be a market for drifting it. If someone got a hold of the base v6 model and turbo charged it and stripped it of its wieght, I think it could be viable. Of course there would be some suspension work done done, but I think it would be nice to see domestics go side by side JDM cars. I am a fan of the JDM drift cars, but it would be cool to see some american cars competing besides that big GTO that was at the D1.

StangNut86
11-05-2004, 04:46 PM
what's wrong with the V8 model? the heavier engine results in more front-end traction. and the light rear end typical of all pony cars is a drifter's dream.

i totally agree with you though, seeing more american cars in D1 would rock. plus, all the japanese guys wanna see mustangs, camaros, corvettes, etc drifting alongside their s15's, 86's, and GTRs

Mendari
11-05-2004, 04:55 PM
...wanna see mustangs, camaros, corvettes, ...
You're right. There's a Dodge Viper and a new Pontiac GTO floating around the drift scene.

88novarules
11-05-2004, 07:05 PM
the main problem with the v8 is that its heavier than the v6, so the general car weighs more, i think its better to turbo it to get the same hp weight reduction is good. plus its cheaper than the gt. maybe by 6 k but thats parts that a person could be using to put into turning it into a drift machine. I have also considered about trying to find an old fox body in the mid eightys cause they are shorter and putting the v6 engine in with a turbo. Just a though or idea.

RedLightning
11-05-2004, 07:10 PM
id think a supercharger would be better, its more like NA power which I heard that the new GTO drift team likes. Instead of laggy turbos.

GTStang
11-05-2004, 10:07 PM
If the new 5.0 or MMM&FF not sure which one. It talks how the one of th driving schools teaches drifiting now. The owner of the school talked about how they used stock V8 Stangs for drifitng cause stock just like any other V8(lot's of torque), RWD car already can drift easily just the way it is, w/o any need of the emergency brake.


Drifitng is very old it just wasn't called that all the american car's since the 60's with there usually classic understeer and abundance of torque to correct it lead to guys drifting through turns in road racing cause it ended being the fastest and sometimes only way through a turn.

So in closing there is nothing that really makes the new 05 Msuatng or a V6 a superior drifitng car compared to other Mustangs, Camaros or anything that american car companies have already produced. It's just that people that want to do drifitng(god knows why?) have moved to using different cars for the uniqueness factor.

silverstangs
11-07-2004, 11:58 PM
id think a supercharger would be better, its more like NA power which I heard that the new GTO drift team likes. Instead of laggy turbos.


Turbo lag is not a issue these days........

GTStang
11-08-2004, 02:07 PM
Turbo lag is not a issue these days........

That's true and but it's also not true. Turbo lag still does exist it just has been cut down greatly from what it was like say about 20 years ago. Also it is different for each turbo/motor/load condition combination. When you compare a turbo system to any static displacement S/C such as a roots or twin-screw there is a definite difference in where in the rpm range boost and max bosst will appear.

Mendari
11-08-2004, 04:21 PM
It's just that people that want to do drifitng(god knows why?)
I don't get it either, Drifting is to Racing as Figure Skating is to Hockey.

I like Stopwatches and Radar Guns.
Judges? We don't need no stinking judges.

billclinton
11-08-2004, 06:49 PM
the new mustangs are going to need alot of power to go sideways. There on the thunderbird frame and weigh a rediculous amount. It think those new mustangs are gonna need atleast 500hp.

StangNut86
11-08-2004, 08:22 PM
the new mustangs are going to need alot of power to go sideways. There on the thunderbird frame and weigh a rediculous amount. It think those new mustangs are gonna need atleast 500hp.

that statement shows just how ignorant you are.

the new mustangs are built on an entirely new frame and have nothing to do with the newer thunderbirds.

my car weighs in at 3500 pounds and puts about 200 horse to the ground, but i can kick it sideways easier than hell by steering sharply and downshifting into first.

know the facts before you open your mouth, dude.

Savage Messiah
11-09-2004, 01:47 PM
It would kick ass to see american cars (v8s but 6ers have got a chance too) beating out all the rest is drifting and that stuff, lets see em say our cars cant turn and can only go straight lines then :evillol:

thunderbird muscle
11-09-2004, 02:01 PM
My heavy V8 can take a corner faster than any import I've ever driven due to the amount of power/torque it can put down to the wheels durring a turn.

My old V6 could do alright drifting, but this V8 is definetly better.

Mendari
11-09-2004, 02:42 PM
Here's a picture of a Toyo Tires Drift Mustang.
05 Mustang (http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/99476KenGushi2_1-med.jpg)


Here's another one of her driver, Ken Gushi, two random dudes, and a couple of hot chicks. Sorry, but the dudes are blocking the chicks.
Ken Gushi (http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/99476KenGushi1_1-med.jpg)

Here's a picture of some drift booty. Damn, those un-fair marketing tactics. All I see at the NHRA are those "Hot Dog on a Stick" girls.
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/500/99476qf_p8.jpg

StangNut86
11-09-2004, 03:14 PM
looks good, not ricey at all. AND it's a GT, a v8. put that in your pipe and smoke it, 6-shooter fans.

88novarules
11-10-2004, 09:50 PM
I dont know about the length, but the new stang looks shorter. Good for drifting. One car you will never see in a drift compitetion is a 2005 acura RL. LOL, that car is sweet but handles too good.

GTStang
11-11-2004, 12:24 AM
Actuallt the 05 chassis is longer and wider than the previous fox/fox4 chassis.

Ghost96Gt
11-11-2004, 10:47 AM
the drifting article is in this months mmff. It would be awsome though having alot of demestic cars drifting.
I think why so many ppl do it is bc its a huge adrinline rush they dont care to much about the scores and judging but care about the crowd going wild and haning sideways at 80 mphs is gotta be a rush.

88novarules
11-15-2004, 09:55 PM
one thing i wonder is why people love v-8s sooooo much? They do put out enormous torque and hp, but a well tuned IL4 or 6 can rock the house too, while not loosing the gas miliage. putting 20$ in every 2 weeks is way better than 1 week. Granted a v8 will have a higher out put than any v6 or IL4, but for driving and some street racing the smaller engines rock. I do love the V8 but in these days with new technology to put alot of hp out of small engines it makes u wonder why american car companys havnt caught on? I had a 5.0 with 197, weak yes.. also came out of a crown vic, but if u look at the new rsx type s engines they have 210hp out of a naturaly asperated IL4 thats hella crazy. plus they dont have stupid amounts of torque where it stops them. Well enough engine ranting ^^

GTStang
11-15-2004, 11:02 PM
one thing i wonder is why people love v-8s sooooo much? They do put out enormous torque and hp, but a well tuned IL4 or 6 can rock the house too, while not loosing the gas miliage. putting 20$ in every 2 weeks is way better than 1 week. Granted a v8 will have a higher out put than any v6 or IL4, but for driving and some street racing the smaller engines rock. I do love the V8 but in these days with new technology to put alot of hp out of small engines it makes u wonder why american car companys havnt caught on? I had a 5.0 with 197, weak yes.. also came out of a crown vic, but if u look at the new rsx type s engines they have 210hp out of a naturaly asperated IL4 thats hella crazy. plus they dont have stupid amounts of torque where it stops them. Well enough engine ranting ^^

Why do people love V8's well use this comparision an S2000 has a 290hp 4-cylinder, on a good day the can break into 13's. The new 05 GT with a V8 makes 300hp the stick cars are gonna be in the mid-low 13's ina much bigger/heavier car, does that explian it?

Mendari
11-16-2004, 02:29 PM
... but a well tuned IL4 or 6 can rock the house too, while not loosing the gas miliage...
Power == low fuel mileage.
The 2005 GT gets 18 mpg, a 2005 Mitsubishi Evo gets 18 mpg, a 2005 Scoobie-Doo WRX Sti gets 18 mpg... Get the trend here?
I like V8's because they consistently make alot of power all of the time. My C230 Kompressor is nice in the mornings, but slugs along in the heat.

88novarules
11-16-2004, 04:25 PM
there is that thing called torque, yes... the v8s have more torque. thats why it goes farther down the track faster, but domestics kinda have been sucking on the quality with in the past 20 years. you may have your awsome domestic hp, but i love the reliablity of imports.

Mendari
11-16-2004, 05:10 PM
... reliablity...

:sleep:

Hey GTStang,
How about closing this thread?
It's starting to wander off in a random direction.

GTStang
11-16-2004, 05:29 PM
:sleep:

Hey GTStang,
How about closing this thread?
It's starting to wander off in a random direction.

We'll see.... I'll let it go a little longer. :smokin:

Mendari
11-16-2004, 06:12 PM
We'll see.... I'll let it go a little longer. :smokin:
O.K. O.K.
I see.
Now you're just trying to provoke another Formula 1 vs. NASCAR fight.

Let the flaming begin!
:newburn:

My toaster is a very reliable appliance that was imported from China.
But I don't find any enjoyment in driving an appliance to work every day.

Rod&Custom
11-16-2004, 06:44 PM
:owned:

JoeStangV604
11-17-2004, 01:41 AM
My v6 04 mustang impressed my friend who drives an 03 WRX impreza in handling. I agree though, more torque and power is better than lightness and suspension.

The new mustangs are amazing! I live in michigan near the detroit area so i am lucky enough to have seen some amazing cars in the past few months. In september right after i got my 04 V6 AutoStang i was driving on I-75 from toledo ohio back to michigan and an 05 Mustang GT with Manufacturer plates on it flew by at around 120mph and a guy in a little honda civic wearing a proud VTEC sticker tried to catch up. I caught up to the GT mustang (had to go up to 110MPH after he slowed down) and i road next to it for about 10 mins in aw of its beauty. (sometimes i wish i waited for the new mustang but since i got the A plan on my 04 V6 it was only 14 grand and couldnt pass up the offer) (who woudlnt take a free 5,500 dollars?). I also live down the street from the Ford GT (GT40)/Lincoln LS/ thunderbird plant and have drove next to a Ford GT before on the highway. I don't know why it was driving around, must have been because they deliver them personaly to the delear ship or some employee snuck out with one. ( i would've :-) )

JoeStangV604
11-17-2004, 01:45 AM
I agree that a mustang (stock) cannot beat a stock LS1, the only thing that can beat an LS1 is an LS1 in a corvette :-). My mom has one of those but i dont get to drive it much :-(, my mom must love either me or her car because if i drove it, both of us would be dead. However a V6 mustang can beat a Z28 if you put enough money into it, which i am sure is obvious to anyone.

loesch8102
11-17-2004, 12:32 PM
What about the weight distribution issue? I'm not too sure what the distribution is on those Sivia's and 240's but I bet it is a lot better than that of the Stang. I think it would be very difficult to give it the same handling charicteristics of those tiny, light imports that dominate the drifting scene. BTW, does anyone know how the GTO and Viper are fairing on the drift circuit?

Mendari
11-17-2004, 05:21 PM
What about the weight distribution issue? I'm not too sure what the distribution is on those Sivia's and 240's but I bet it is a lot better than that of the Stang. ...

What proportion should the vehicles weight be distributed in order to slide sideways with the power to the rear? 60/40, 50/50, 40/60

GTStang
11-17-2004, 07:14 PM
What proportion should the vehicles weight be distributed in order to slide sideways with the power to the rear? 60/40, 50/50, 40/60


HaHaHa :owned:

88novarules
11-17-2004, 10:54 PM
05 mustang in nfsu2! what a trip that was to see the car in it. I still am the fan of the miata in that game, hehe handling rules! its funny to see the rest of my family bash the 05 mustang cause they think its ugly. Im a big fan of the 67-68 ya know wider body from earlier modles so u can slap that massive 351w in it. Do pretty good in drag with a well tuned 351w. That would be crazy to see, a 351w in a 05 mustang. Does ne one know if the 05 mustang has a LSD or is it open?

Mendari
11-18-2004, 03:55 PM
HaHaHa :owned:
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