Yasser Arafat [hasn't] died

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041104/wl_nm/mideast_arafat_dc


just more troubles in the middle east.

^ yeah, I kinda was suspicious about it being on yahoo... its probably a good thing that he isnt dead

Confusion reigns over there. He may not be dead this moment, but its not to far away from the way things are going.













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I just hope than when he dies someone with sense peacefully takes over

"He is still alive. He is not clinically dead. There is no brain death, but his condition is deteriorating"

ummmm what part of the yahoo one said he was dead again?

Why is it that they want to keep his sickness, death, etc. so secretive?

Let's see... dying Palestinian leader... Middle East turned violently anti-American, anti-Isreali therefor and pro-Palestine moreson than before... American president hellbent on wars in the Middle East...

This cannot be good.

It will be just one more Beatle gone. Oh wait he isn't Ringo is he?
http://files.automotiveforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=/503/168043ringoarafat.JPG

Interesting shift in world politics in the last month just got even more interesting.

The ground just cracked open and this little red dude is telling me to go down there with him cuz everyone else will soon... :lol:

The ground just cracked open and this little red dude is telling me to go down there with him cuz everyone else will soon... :lol:
Speak for yourself, heathen!!
:icesangel

^lol.

So he is dead for all intensive purposes.

hmm lets see what happens now. I have a feeling Israel is going to be more aggressive than ever while Palestine will try to find someone to replace Yasir Arafat. The middle east gets even more mad = more suicide bombings. All while US gets in the middle of it all and supports Israel more, making the terrorists hate us more and another big terrorist attack will happen in US. Lets see if bush will prevent a terrorist act from happening.

Or...Someone gets in as Palestanian leader who is after peace and actually works with Israel and helps to take care of that mess.

hmm lets see what happens now. I have a feeling Israel is going to be more aggressive than ever while Palestine will try to find someone to replace Yasir Arafat. The middle east gets even more mad = more suicide bombings. All while US gets in the middle of it all and supports Israel more, making the terrorists hate us more and another big terrorist attack will happen in US. Lets see if bush will prevent a terrorist act from happening.
Connecting a lot of dots, aren't we? I think there are plenty of people on both sides of the conflict who are willing to negotiate a peace plan. Arafat had "political capitol" in keeping the conflict alive, benefiting only him.

I doubt there is going to be any negotiations. Israel is going to keep wanting more land, and Palestine is just going to get bullied more and never going to give up

I doubt there is going to be any negotiations. Israel is going to keep wanting more land, and Palestine is just going to get bullied more and never going to give up

Actually,you are mistaken..Sharon is currently trying to force a bill through his parliament that will end Jewish settlement of the Gaza strip.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/04/MNGQD9LGHE1.DTL

Lets see if bush will prevent a terrorist act from happening.[/QUOTE]



Eventually another terrorist act will come. Bush cannot prevent every instance, no-one could. And blame Clinton for the last one. But at least Bush is willing to try, and he makes it damn expensive for the terrorists, in the process.

I'm not looking forward to the continuing shit storm in the Middle East. This is bad, bad news. As if the region wasn't unstable enough, we are about to have a power struggle between Palestinian Extremists, Israel will not let his family bury him in Jerusalem (which I understand Arafat's been a terrorist since the 60's) and the Palestinians and Israeli's are still going round about sovereignty in the region. Now if we only had an offensive in Fallujah to worry about too. Oh, wait..... Spoke too soon, this could be a rocky couple of weeks for the boys in the sand.

Agree with the war or not, please take a moment to think about those that went because they agreed to follow the orders of thier government.

NOW he is dead.

"This time I am being honest with you."

BTW How the heck does a terrorist get the Nobel Peace Prize?

It was slim pickens that year. It was either him or Alf. They went with the real person.

BTW How the heck does a terrorist get the Nobel Peace Prize?

Because the members are like most of the UN - Bureaucratic morons. Worse yet, many of them would like to see Isreal pushed into the sea.













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It was slim pickens that year. It was either him or Alf. They went with the real person.


Alf for President, '08

NOW he is dead.

"This time I am being honest with you."


this is either a good thing or a very bad thing. only time will tell at this point.

It was slim pickens that year. It was either him or Alf. They went with the real person.

i think they may have been better off picking the puppet.

I would have GLADLY voted for this guy!

http://www.lost1.net/ALF/ALF83.jpg

Because the members are like most of the UN - Bureaucratic morons. Worse yet, many of them would like to see Isreal pushed into the sea.As opposed to what? Palestine pushed into the dirt?

Or...Someone gets in as Palestanian leader who is after peace and actually works with Israel and helps to take care of that mess.

Has there even been peace in the middle east? That war will never end.

Has there even been peace in the middle east? That war will never end.An often asked question. Are you willing to invest some time into finding out?
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/1300.asp

Has there even been peace in the middle east? That war will never end.
You are right. Not as long as people like Arafat lead.

mmm but who's dumb idea was it to come along after the war and plant a bunch of jews in the middle of an arab nation and declare it their land, and then supply them with enough military hardware to suppress the population... even supplying them with weapons of mass destruction in the form of nukes at least. hmmm

i have to say the west did a screwed up job after the war rewriting borders and establishing new countries. Kuwait is another example.

These "Jews" would have taken it without our help. And taken a bunch of arabs and even more land with it.

With What?

Where Were They Before Isreal Was Declared?

With What?

Where Were They Before Isreal Was Declared?

Do you think that the U.S. just went around gathering up as many Jews as they could find and just set them down over there?


Short history.


In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative districts. Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river. In effect, the British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish Palestinian homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan (meaning "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan. Trans-Jordan and would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words, the eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that the Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining 25% of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish Palestinian homeland. However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological makeup then nor now. Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the Middle East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. Most terrifying were the Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt." The British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a blind eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must fight the Arabs AND drive out the British.

The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defense against the Arabs Palestinians.... thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of the Israeli Defense Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground called the Irgun led by Menachem Begin (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides fighting the Arabs, the Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab British. Finally in 1947 the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the United Nations. The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the remaining 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab Palestinians rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east AND west of the Jordan River.

On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian" Jews finally declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring Arab armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen... invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth is that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable calculus: the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that messy and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well. They guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the residual shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie about Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs! The remaining 30% either (1) saw for themselves that these Jews would fight and die for their new nation and decided to pack up and leave or (2) were driven off the land as a normal consequence of war. When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived despite a 1% loss of it's entire population! Those Arabs who did not flee became today's Israeli-Arab citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of "Palestinian Arab refugees."The Arab propagandists and apologists almost never mentioned that in 1948, five Arab countries launched a war against a one-day-old Israel. Instead he focused on the main consequence of that war: the creation of Arab refugees, stating that Israel "short of genocide" expelled 800,000 of them. This not only disagrees with UN estimates of a bit over 400,000 refugees but also ignores the fact that most of the Arabs/Palestinians were encouraged to leave by the Arab World itself!.

mmm but who's dumb idea was it to come along after the war and plant a bunch of jews in the middle of an arab nation and declare it their land, and then supply them with enough military hardware to suppress the population... even supplying them with weapons of mass destruction in the form of nukes at least. hmmm



Thats because, incase you havent noticed. The United States is controlled by Jews (not soley, but they have an INCREDIBLE amount of influence) They control Wall St., major banks, most of media. So behind the scenes they have ALOT of control over global issues.

THANKS dgb... I ACTUALLY READ THAT WORD FOR WORD BEFORE LUNCH... GUESS WE FOUND THE SAME ARTICLE.

THERE WERE A LOT OF STUPID COUNTRIES JUST DECLARED AFTER BOTH THE FIRST AND SECOND WORLD WARS. SURELY SOMEONE COULD SEE THAT WOULD CAUSE PROBLEMS.

Everyone deserves a homeland. During that time it seems like alot of new lines were being drawn. People were breaking from away from the British, French, etc.. rule. They were simply fed up. Now that the lines are drawn it's just a matter figuring out how to maintain the peace between bordering countries. If a decent ruler is elected in Palestine then possibly they can finally have something resembling peace.

DGB454, if you dig a bit deeper you will find that it was the British, French etc. that drew those stupid lines as they finished up dismantling the Ottoman Empire.

The object was not to enable peace and stability. Instead it was intended to keep the region weak (given the substantial resources) and prevent the Middle East from joining forces with the Eastern Block.

This also explains why the so called democratic west continues to support oppressive rulers in the region.

Everything you could want to know and quite a bit you would rather not know is here: www.globalissues.org

Thanks for the link. I am pretty farmiliar with the Israeli plight but am always up for learning more.

Good news!!! He's STILL dead.

^Not really, he died before all his bank accounts could be consolidated, so Palestine is not in a very good position.

Thats because, incase you havent noticed. The United States is controlled by Jews (not soley, but they have an INCREDIBLE amount of influence) They control Wall St., major banks, most of media. So behind the scenes they have ALOT of control over global issues.
I hear that they also control the moon and the tides. :)

I hear that they also control the moon and the tides. :)

if you dont think that jews have the most influence of any people in america... you're ignorant, or extremely liberal and afraid to tell it how it is :)

I'm not afraid to speak the truth.... why do you think America supports Israel so much? What does America have to gain from Israel? Nothing but problems.


And dont think i'm racist or somethin against jews... i have nothing against them. But thats how it is.

Look at the major banks of America on Wall St., owned by jews
Look at the majority of media outlets, TV channels and the movie business, owned by jews

They have more influence than anybody else

I have to agree with 2stroke!


I think you need one of those tin foil hats to stop the aliens from reading your thoughts.

And this is coming from a Republican soo don't accuse me of being liberal.

If we're going to start with the dumb 'let's label everyone by their ethnicity' crap, can I dsay something very negative about Polish folk?

If we're going to start with the dumb 'let's label everyone by their ethnicity' crap, can I dsay something very negative about Polish folk?
...and those cotton picking KIWIS!!!!




:D

First one to start talking shit about poles will need to deal with me and gotti. I'm going to agree with Gotti and 2 stroke bloke. They are influential, but I'll be the first person to call my jewish friend a stupid jew:)

I'm going to agree with Gotti and 2 stroke bloke.

How can you agree with two people who are on the opposite sides of an argument? :screwy:

if you dont think that jews have the most influence of any people in america... you're ignorant,

I think that the Masons would think that you're ignorant :icon16:
Sure both Masons and Jews contol alot of stuff, but so do Texans, morons, and regular folks like you and me. :2cents:
Are we now going to hear about the conspiracy of the blue collar workers trying to take over the middle class world? :grinno:

I agree with both, Jews are very influential, but, they do not rule everything. See now?

I say the people from Italy have the most influence. So if you are Jewish and from Italy you have it made. No wait if you are from italy, jewish and live in Texas you are the most influential.

I have several Jewish friends and they are hard working people who deserve what thye get and have. One of my friends works 2 jobs, he is living decent but nit that great. Now if you want to talk money the 2 richest people in my area are both born Americans whose relatives where born in Italy.

BTW the most influential people in the US are all Americans.

First one to start talking shit about poles will need to deal with me and gotti.

I'd have to deal with munchkins? Ok. I'm game.

What do they print on the bottom of a Polish beer can?
"Open other end"



And so far all of you are wrong. Lawyers control everything. :loser:













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If we're going to start with the dumb 'let's label everyone by their ethnicity' crap, can I dsay something very negative about Polish folk?

I didnt label anybody... what are you saying? I didnt say ALL jews are rich, I didnt say ONLY jews control america, I didnt say ALL jews influence america, I didnt say jews are stupid, I didnt insult jews in any way

They're a smart people, especially with business


I just said imo they have the most INFLUENCE of any other ethnicity... and look at the percentage of jews in the world, yet they have that much influence. Its incredible.


And yes Masons AND Jews actually control america ;)

i dont see that as an insult to jews, cause i'd like people to say that my people run america. I'd be proud.... instead we're discriminated against.


And good luck Yogs, you better bring an army :lol: .... Polaks are tough motherfuckers, coming from an ex-communist country we've been through stuggle, Polands one of the most dangerous countries in Europe, we're born fighters. Actually most east european countries are pretty tough.

We got Golota and Dariusz Michalczewski too :D Prepare to get knocked out... :lol:

where the hell has this thread gone?

i'm away two weeks and ANOTHER thread has gone to discussing america... but it's always about america right?

anyway. have we seen much change now yasser is out of the picture?