GS-R power?

Ok, so my one manager's son has a type-r for real (he bought it himself, which makes it better, since he's only 18) and I was wondering what the first step down from an ITR is, over here in the states. Is it the GS-R? What kind of power is that motor putting out? Hp, torque? Is there anything more powerful than a gsr, but easier to find than an ITR?

Thanks in advance!

The next step down from a ITR, is a GSR, at least in the U.S. I have a 1998 Integra GSR (green as seen below heh) Basically it has the b18c1 engine, where the ITR has the b18c5 engine. The GSR's engine (b18c1) puts out 170 hp and about 128 lbs/ft of torque. The ITR engine (b18c5) puts out a whopping 195 hp and 130 lbs/ft of torque. It is significantly faster, but a GSR is just as fun in my opinion. You will get the thrill of incredible vtec as you hit 5,500 rmps and the feeling is further elated as you proceed to the 8,200 rpm redline (it gets really nasty around 6k). I have an AEM cold air intake and man, I love the sound! When I hit vtec people know. My car is much faster than my friend's 2000 Mustang v6, beating him in any sort of race (from a stop, from a 20 mph roll, and totally raping him at a 70mph drop). And the handling is simply amazing. The type R is going to have better handling, but I can't even imagine it the way my GSR is. Stock suspension is a work of art. The car rolls just enough so that it has give and won't break traction on a curve, but it's not as exaggerated as most domestic suspensions (rolling rolling rolling) If you can find a type R go for it, but I was looking for one, and I was looking for a year! So I settled on a GSR and I'm quite happy. Goodluck with the search! Keep us posted. :biggrin:

p.s- If you want further info, just pm me or reply, I'll be watching. ;)

The price is significantly different between the ITR and GSR... GSR is fairly fast (170hp 128ft/lb) but the GSR is more of a "luxury" car, leather interior, sunroof, etc. pepsihatman, your vtec kicks in at 5500? mine is usually around 4400. weird? :confused: while the ITR is definitely a "sporty" car. i own a GSR and love it... (dont leave out the LS, it has a lot of potential as well)

also, do some searches on the board... tons of info on integras!

thanks! Probably goin GS-R now...

Cool!!!

pepsihatman, your vtec kicks in at 5500? mine is usually around 4400. weird? :confused:(dont leave out the LS, it has a lot of potential as well)

I always thought that vtec was engaged at 5,500 rpms, at least I thought it was when the cams shifted to their aggressive lobes. I could be wrong though. I definatly feel power after 4k though, but it's significant at 5,500, then at 6,000 it really gets nasty for me.

v-tec does not kik in at 4400. Im pretty sure it is 5500, but not 100% sure, but im POSITIVE it is not 4400

^^^^ you sir are a fool, first of all its VTEC, no hypen no line just VTEC, second of all, the agressive lobes on the cam do in fact "turn on" so to speak at 4400 rpms, its the secondary runners in the intake that opens at 5500 RPMs, which is what every one confusses for actual VTEC, you really need to do some more research before you post wrong information

ok,. havent driven a GSR but have driven a few things with a B16 in it, and one even has the custom VTEC light in the dash so I know when it kicked in and it was just about 5700-6k, guage isnt very big, revs very fast up there and I had to watch the road so I dont know exact. GSR's might be way lower. But I didnt think it was 4400, I always though it was more around the mid 5k mark somewhere. but ive heard so many different nunmbers I dont know who to believe, Ive heard 5850, 5600, 5200, etc....

well i own and drive a GSR on a daily basis, the cam aspect of VTEC kicks in at 44-4500 RPM, the secondaries of the intake open at 5500 RPM.

i just got back from driving home and i made sure to pay attention to when the vtec engaged and it was right at 4400, like i thought... i've driven a civic Si but never payed attention to the i-vtec, im guessing they're different. anybody else with a GSR to back me up?

read my post just above yours

i just got back from driving home and i made sure to pay attention to when the vtec engaged and it was right at 4400, like i thought... i've driven a civic Si but never payed attention to the i-vtec, im guessing they're different. anybody else with a GSR to back me up?

im not blatantly saying you mean what I think you mean so if not my mistake but you mention the civic SI with I-VTEC, and I mentioned the B16 so I think you might be confused, the B16 is in the 99-00 SI's and some del sols and lots of hondas not in the US. and they are not I-VTEC, standard DOHC vtev just liek the B18C. because your post is the first mention of the new SI's and no mention of the K20's in here yet either.

i'm almost positive that "vtec" engages at 5900 rpm on most B-series motors. So i'm gonna have to go with what 94tegrs said.

I was asking whether they're great cars or not, but thanks for all the VTEC info!

Thanks!

could it be the secondaries that open at the earlier RPM of the 2 stages where you notice the diff?

I drove a GSR with I/H/E/no cat/(VAFC equivalent)

and not sure if hed messed with the fuel or the engagments but I only rapped out first and it was loud all the way through and revved so Fing quick through first I didnt even notice the 2 distinct changes in sound. did notice one, heard/felt what I thought was the actual crossover and from there the needle jumps right to redline. it is a great feeling though Ill tell you that. and I get to experience it again tomorrow @ 7PM and every day after that :naughty: , im so happy! oh man I dont think Im gonna be able to sleep tonight. :smokin:

yeah I know in my gs-r 1st is gone before you even know what is going on, if the ground is wet it will actually spin the tires when vtec engages in 1st gear (shitty tires right now), second you feel ok till 3000 then it seems to bog a bit until abotu 5000 then she starts to pull and when 5900 hits you feel the extra pull and hear the sound change. third is about the same as 2nd. as far as fourth well i've never really pushed her more than halfway though it.



As far as the original thread starter... yes a gs-r is a great deal. with a good driver you will be able to bang out 1/4 times almost as good as a ITR. and they are a bit cheaper and easier to find than the ITR.

sounds like vtec hits pretty strong in the B17, this will be my first time ever even seeing the b17, hopefully that little bit of torque over the B16 will give me a good advantagever my friends EF B16 coupe. I think he got the JDM 170HP one though since it is the SIR2 and has no number after B16A

im not blatantly saying you mean what I think you mean so if not my mistake but you mention the civic SI with I-VTEC, and I mentioned the B16 so I think you might be confused, the B16 is in the 99-00 SI's and some del sols and lots of hondas not in the US. and they are not I-VTEC, standard DOHC vtev just liek the B18C. because your post is the first mention of the new SI's and no mention of the K20's in here yet either.
Sorry to get OT on your thread Turbo Monster. 94tegRS...yeah, your right. i don't pretend to know much about civics because i really only know what i hear from my friend. i just thought it was weird when pepsihatman said his vtec engaged at 5500. i know MINE (tsugsr concurs) is at 4400 (not saying anyone else is wrong) i'll search on the internet a little more to see if i can find anything online that mentions it.

Turbo Monster- all integras are great cars!

"GSR motors feel like they have a dual stage VTEC but in reality, it is the dual stage intake manifold..at 5500-6000 RPMs, the secondaries [butterflies] open up and u can hear that more distinctly than VTEC at 4400 RPMs..on a stock B18C1 of course."

-This could be what is causing the confusion. heres the link to the page... http://www.hondahookup.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=68699&highlight=

"GSR motors feel like they have a dual stage VTEC but in reality, it is the dual stage intake manifold..at 5500-6000 RPMs, the secondaries [butterflies] open up and u can hear that more distinctly than VTEC at 4400 RPMs..on a stock B18C1 of course"

That would make sense, I only noticed the 5,500, or 6k change because it was so pronounced. I would make sense that it starts to engage earlier, I'll listen again when I drive it next, and see if I can pick out the 4,400 start, and everything else. Thanks for the article.

u can upgrade to an ECU that can make your VTEC kick in sooner

u can upgrade to an ECU that can make your VTEC kick in sooner
this is true... you can also get cams that are called "vtec killers" which basically just keeps the vtec on at all times. but honda spent a shit load of time and money figuring out exactly when vtec would be most efficient so why would we waste our money thinking we're smarter than honda and screwing with vtec timing? (vtec controller/ecu/the cams mentioned above) it boggles my mind.

well, cuz some racers launch their car above the RPMS when VTEC engages. so a cam without 3 lobes will take less energy to get them, spinning cuz they will be lighter, thats the benefit of it I see, but none at all for a daily driver.

and on my GSR it is just about 6k.

when vtec kicks in 1st gear it makes me smile EVERY time, I havent even been able to get on it from a dead stoip through 3rd yet because of the congestion on the east coast. on the test drive I got to open it up in 1st and second but not at the same time, mobbed through first and when I shifted I had to slow down a bit for a corner/bump and then mobbed through 2nd and shifted to 3rd just to make sure the synchros were good for those gears still and they were so I slowed down since Id already seen a few cops in a few minutes.

one of the first things Im geting is a VAFC so I can set the HI-LO down at 5k so even if I shift a bit early it stays in vtec for sure. I might not need it once I have a straight run to test it on but I am gonna have to wait a while for that. plus dont wanna til I check a few things out.

i also own and drive a 95 gsr everyday, it does in fact kick in at 4400-4500 rpm, and gets crazy at 6 k,,i no mine kicks in at about 4500 rpm cause its pop is loud as hell.