Who has ideas for a '02 Civic?

Well I have had "Sasha" (what I call my 2002 Civic that is all MINE, meaning no "mommy and daddy" involvment) for about two years and although I have made minor improvements, to include the following:
Full body kit Invader style carbon fiber hood Greddy catback exhaust and Alteeza style tail lightsI want to work on performance for this upcomming summer. So.....I need your help!!!

The Question is: What would you have done to my car (to improve performance) if you had a $5,000 budget to work with, not including labor?

Sasha and I would greatly appreciate it.

yay no more rice! i wouldnt mind seeing some pics of you and sasha. damn 5k how come i dont have that kind of money to drop on my camaro.

i am guessing everything is stock besides the 4 you listed?

Turbo, quick and easy.

Yeah everything else is stock. As far as pictures... I have to figuer out how to put'em on here.

Thanx for the suggestion for Turbo. There were three things I considered doing: Turbo, Supercharger, swap w/a GSR engine.
Problems with Turbo: Turbo-lag;
Problems with SprChrgr: so many parts need to be replaced before installing it.
Problems with GSR: can't find one with the same milage as mine (35,000mi) and its a biotch to put in.
HELP!!!!!

Ok, as for turbocharges i would look into a complete edelbrock kit, they have the best full kits for a honda out their, and their also a nice and easy install. (i dont know if it would work out though, they only go up to 00' civics)
A GSR engine wouldnt be as hard as you think, me and my brother just finished puting a b18 into his CRX, not as hard as i thought it would be.
Also, if you are thinking of forced induction in the B18C, you should think about a B18A1, the C's are a higher compression motor, so you wont get as much out of it with a turbocharger than with an A.
Also, i dont really know a thing about emissions laws in the states, so maybe you should just ignore me, hahaha.
(p.s with an edelbrock turbo kit its 100% legal and the t28 isnt a huge turbo, so lag wont be a big problem, if at all)

ok if you are planning on going FI (forced induction) then you are going to need to build the engine...stronger rods, forged pistons, new cams and cam gears also would go w/ an AEM fuel rail and bigger injectors maybe even a high flow fuel pump b/c w/ FI youre going to need more fuel accomdations. Get a good intake and if you go turbo you have to get a new exhaust header so might as well go ahead and finish out exhaust from there and if you have to keep your cat get a high-flow cat atleast...depending on what kinda of cat back system you have you might want to upgrade it as well...the rule of thumb is 1 inch for every 100 hp you have so if you plan on boosting high psi and making over 200 hp you'll need atleast a 2 1/2 or 3in exhaust system all the way thru. If system is NOT manderal bent you need 3in. The h series engine honda makes is the strongest engine for boost...these came in the preludes and accords. Rule of thumb for boosting a h series is if there are no work being done on the internals then 7 psi boost at max is all it can withstand. 8 is pushing it to its limits and 6 is best for daily driving. Id say the b series engine is going to be 5 or 6 w/ 7 pushing its limits. Having stronger internals you could boost 12 daily driving and putting it all the way from 15-20 on track days. But w/ out upgrading internals at 12 you'll blow a rod or piston thru your engine wall so fast its not even funny and more than likely all the way thru your hood(especially if it is carbon fiber lol) depending on weather or not it is manual you'll need atleast a stage 2 clutch and a light weight flywheel. And w/ turbo you can get a t3/t4 set up and you''l be at full boost around 3k rpm so lag will not be a problem...lag is only an issue for ppl pushing 500-600 hp

if thinking of engine swaps you can get the JDM h22a for about $2500 (anywhere from 25k to 50k miles on engine) and this will come w/ engine transmission, ecu, wiring harness, axles, basically everything you need to drop it into a civic and get it working. you might have to get an intake manifold or motor mounts but those can easily be found on ebay for pretty cheap. if interested i just completed the swap on my 93 prelude si and could help you out in anyway i could. ie give you some examples of problems i ran into and how i got around it or got it working. it was easier for me of course b/c the swap from my h23 to h22 was basically just droping it in and bolting it up. you'll incounter a few more problems than that but its doable...i know alot of ppl w/ that engine in their civics.

i know this is pretty long but i'll finally end it, just trying to help out :)

So much of that is incorrect I don't know what to say.

First off, most D-series motors can handle up around 8-10 psi depending on the turbo used.

You don't have to upgrade internals, you don't need new cams, but cam gears are recommended to help tune it. You don't need a new fuel rail, the stock one is fine, but you will want bigger injectors and a high flow fuel pump, especially if you plan on running a standalone to tune it, which will be best.

The H series motors are one of the worst to turbo in stock form. They have weak ringlands and will go out fast if you boost it.

B series motors can handle anywhere between 8-12 psi on a stock block. The B18B can handle 12 psi on a T3/T4 turbo with stock block provided you have had some good tuning done.

With all that said, if you want to swap, swap a K20 in there and boost it. Otherwise just boost your D17.

Like Nissan-Fan said, Edelbrock makes the best complete kit out there, it's rated at 175whp. It's specifically for 6th gen Civics, but with a little work I'm sure you could get it to work with your car too.

Okay, for one, a Type R engine, or any B series, can't be put into a 2002 civic. It is illegal. Plus, everything is different. It wasn't just the body style that changed in 2002, the engine, wiring, everything changed. Nothing would be compatible. If you did try to do this illegal swap, it would be a biatch to accomplish. If you want to do a motor swap, look into an RSX-S motor. That would actually be worth it, although may cost you more than $5000 to have it all said and done.
Other things for your car besides motor swap:
Turbo/supercharger is a good idea. We put a turbo in a 2002 civic with good results. It had a turbo and full exhaust and kept up with a supercharged 2000 civic Si.
We also put a Nitrous Express system into a 2002 civic. This car had an aem cai, exhaust, aem cam gears, and a 50 shot made it pretty quick. Just don't be like the owner of this car and put in a 75 shot without building the motor first. Believe me, it will blow!

sorry should have been more specific with what i said....just assumed everyone knew i was talking about pre 01...which is what the h22a4 would be. Youre going to want to upgrade as much as possible if you are boosting...youre right you may not NEED a fuel rail but if money is there then it would be great...you dont need to upgrade stock internals...but if you plan on boosting for a prolonged period of time then yes you do need to. On a budget of $5000 then you want to do all the things that i said b/c you have the money to do it...lower budget then go w/ what GScivic7 said. The h22aX swap is the most desirable of all honda swaps b/c it has most horsepower and w/ turbo system of about $2500 then dyno tune it you can be pushing 300 hp. $2500 for engine swap plus another $2500 for FI system plus dyno time and youre coming around $5000 and 300 hp

I know people who have been boosting their bone stock motors for a good 3-4 years now without any problems. The only time you need to upgrade internals if you're looking for some major HP.

BTW: i forgot to mention, just like GirlSolRacer said, you can't do any of the B series swap into a 7th gen not just cause most of it has been changed, but because it is illegal to swap in a motor that is older than the chassis. Best bet is to swap in a K20.

little rican has yet to say what her expectations of these "performance upgrades" are...and i also know of ppl who have boosted on stock iternals for 3-4 years w/ no problems but they arent idiot drivers and dont adjust their boost all the time like most ppl would...i agree with alot of what youve said GScivic7...all im is its never a bad idea to upgrade something...upgrading internals are going to be an improvement over stock w/ or w/ out boost and if she has the money to do it then she should do it...she never said how many hp she was wanting to push anyways so there may not be a need to improve internals..but its still a good idea...i would if i had $5000 to spend lol

Once again, i dont know any of you're emissions laws, ect ect.
But, its not impossible to swap B engine into a 6 or a 7, and because "everything changed" is not a good reason as to why you couldnt. Most engine swaps require a new or a modified ECU, custom motor mounts and alot of labour, you cant expect a drop and drive swap.
Any ways, as gscivic said, a k20 (if you could get you're hands on one) would be a great swap, with a Turbo i have heard figures as high as 500hp.
Sorry if i missed it, but you're civic is a standard transmission, right?

its never a bad idea to upgrade something...upgrading internals are going to be an improvement over stock w/ or w/ out boost and if she has the money to do it then she should do it...
i completely agree with you, but if it's not broke don't fix it. If it's broke upgrade it. It would really suck if you blew a rod and have a big chunk of block missing, but if you were dumb enough to turn your boost up to the point where something like that happens you shouldn't be driving a turboed car in the first place.

Now, to upgrade internals as preparation for the future I would totally do it as it seems you would too.

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I think its cool as hell to find a rican girl into cars. All the rican girls near me dont know anything about cars :C

alrighty, time for me to come in and clear a few things up hehe. i have a 2001 civic and ive looked into every possible way to upgrade it. first off, there are no superchargers out for our cars. second, goodluck stuffing anything other then a k20 series engine into there (no one really makes mounts or axles or anything for this swap). then the k20 series swap is only good if ur looking for 300+hp but the swap alone would cost u about the 5grand u have. best option would be to boost. if u have an auto tranny then running 5psi would be no prob, but u really shouldnt boost anything over that. this has given ppl a nice bump in hp to around 150 or 160 (depending on tuning) on an auto. now if u have a manual u can run 6-7 daily with no problem. thisll give you about 170-185hp(depending on tuning, one guy actually had 189whp on like 7 or 8 psi i think on stock internals). now, the internals are fine, the 7th gen civics actually have some of the best internals of any civics out there(granted not as good as the integra LS but we're talking civics here). one thing i would definetly recommend upgrading is the head gasket. ppl have blown those pretty easily, but thats cheap and pretty quick/easy to replace. now as for turbo companies, Stafford Fabrications (SF) seems to have the best one out there right now. although some people have had problems with them with getting all the parts etc, i dont find this too out of the ordinary seeing as theyre the only company who really makes the turbo kits for the 7th gen. id recommend buying their complete kit. itll come with their fuel system since our civics have a returnless one, in other words we cant get anymore fuel to the engine without the SF kit. if you need anymore info id recommend going to www.7thgencivic.com. its a great site, lotsa friendly folks and theyll help you out with any questions you might have. if you need anymore info just PM me and ill see what i can do. oh and, boosted 7th gen + girl driving = HOT! :grinyes: sry had to, goodluck!

geez i just looked at my post lol, sorry for the lenght and no spacing or anything.

i completely agree with you, but if it's not broke don't fix it. If it's broke upgrade it. It would really suck if you blew a rod and have a big chunk of block missing, but if you were dumb enough to turn your boost up to the point where something like that happens you shouldn't be driving a turboed car in the first place.

Now, to upgrade internals as preparation for the future I would totally do it as it seems you would too.

i guess it all comes down to what your personal opinion is...just like every other arguement and debate. you stock air intake is not broke but you upgrade to cold air, your stock exhaust is not broke but you upgrade it so it will be more effecient and give your car more power. if i had $5000 and already had CAI and exhaust i would look towards internals like forged pistons and rods, cams, and such things as that. youre going to get more horsepower than stock and every little bit counts. maybe im biast b/c i am looking towards the future and i am upgrading all my internals. but still like i said every little bit helps

Once again, i dont know any of you're emissions laws, ect ect.
But, its not impossible to swap B engine into a 6 or a 7, and because "everything changed" is not a good reason as to why you couldnt. Most engine swaps require a new or a modified ECU, custom motor mounts and alot of labour, you cant expect a drop and drive swap.
Any ways, as gscivic said, a k20 (if you could get you're hands on one) would be a great swap, with a Turbo i have heard figures as high as 500hp.
Sorry if i missed it, but you're civic is a standard transmission, right?

I didn't say it absolutely could not be done, I just meant it would be a lot of trouble to go through for something that is illegal. And I just said 'everything changed' instead of having to go into everything included in a swap like that.

And as far as putting a turbo in and driving, the 7th gen we put the turbo on was stock, and is still going strong, and that was over a year ago. The guy drives it everyday, and does race it a little on the weekends. But he doesnt' do anything crazy with it.

hey, keep this going. i wasn't going to post a new topic, but I've got an '02 Civic also, and I'm running into the same problems. i don't have quite as much $$ as you do to work with, i've only got around $3k right now, and i'm trying to decide whether to save some more money and mod later or go ahead and try to work with what i've got. trouble is, i could end up saving long enough to justify selling this car, using the extra money, and buying something faster, and i dont need to be doing that. i was told to save about $6k and do a jdm swap, but i dont know enough about it to make any real decisions. i'm just so sick of trying to go, and my car tries so hard, but she just doesn't have any hp. someday, she'll grow up and be a real car :grinyes: