The Truth on H22

Ok i have heard some good things about an H22 swap into a civic and how you can gwt them relativley cheap and how they give the civic great power. But then i heard people say well it looks gay in the engine bay because it titls back a little and that there is a huge height difference. Is it worth the apparent ugly lean of the motor but the 200HP that come with it?

Yes. Don't let the price of the motor fool you, it will cost more to get the motor in the car. Peep this shit out: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/h224dr.jpg
Doesn't look bad to me. Check out the tilt (this is a little exaggerated {aka pic taken at weird angle} because unfortuanetly I don't have a better pic to show the tilt): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v473/CivicSpoon/tilt.jpg

People who say it looks gay because the engine is tilted back obviously don't know much about cars.

The engine is tilted back for a good reason. To offset the weight of the motor. If the motor is properly installed, the motor should not appear as if it's tilted back. Honda designed the valve cover at an angle so that it looks like the engine's sitting flat, even though there is a tilt.

Yeah you can't really tell when you see it up close. I shouldn't have even bothered posting that pic, because it makes it look a lot more tilted than it is. If I get a chance to stop out to my buddies house this week I'll try and get a better pic from eye level of the top edge of the front fender.

The H22 is awesome. Honda didnt put it in the Prelude for no reason.

An h22 is just not as convienent as any other B or D series swap into a *CIVIC*.

Ya i have heard great things about the swap especially since it gives you 200 hp in a nice light small civic. I wanna swap out my d15 for an h22 in the summer, the motor is relatively cheap compared to a SIR B16A2 that i was going to swap. How much work wopuld it be to do the H22 swap or about how much would it cost? The motors comes w/ everything needed trans, axles, etc.

H22's are the best all-motor swap for a Civic, period. For a power comparison, my buddy got 95'ish heavy Accord 4dr with an H22 swap, i/h/e, lowered with rims, and runs right with me until 4th gear where he slightly pulls ahead. I have a B16B with an intake and exhaust in a 2300lb hatchback.

It's worth the money and "tilted look".

how other than the trans, motor, mounts and axles what else would i need? I don;t have the money yet to buy the motor but my neighbor own his own shop and could prob do it for me at a low price to install it, but what i would i need to get to make sure that he has everything need to do the install?

You'll need a wiring harness, have fun with that. Also I'm sure there will be little gremlins that pop up during the install, they always do.

You can send your harness to Hasport and they'll do the wiring for you, I forget how much it costs (think around $350-450). You need to cut the tranny side mount and drill the little hole bigger. You have to cut the hole bigger to mount the shifter (you need shiftlinkage too). You need certain axles, the prelude ones won't work. You need special mounts, I'd recommend www.hcpengineering.com (http://www.hcpengineering.com) or www.hasport.com (http://www.hasport.com) . Expect to spend around $4000 or a little more for everything, plus installation. You've got to figure in all the parts that need to be replaced like clutch, flywheel, oil, tranny oil, spark plugs, plug wires, hoses, belts and all the other little things. The little things are what kills you, because they do add up real quick. My buddy spent around $5000, but got the harness from hasport, an upgraded flywheel, clutch, and got the stock LSD.

dont forget the reason they put the h22 in the prelude is cuz the thing is like a freaking whale....
they coulda stuck the b series the prelude and it woulda been like a fat guy on a tri-cycle or they could installed the h series and it was like a fat guy riding a lawn mower.... big diference and they made the right choice..... now to answer your question id go with a gsr motor if your planning on a non-aplicated motor but you could swap in a ls vtec fer cheaper than a gsr and if you plan on turboing it then go ls vtec... id stay away from the h series its 200 lbs heavier which is alot fer the little amount of power your gain compared to the b series but thats just my opinion

H22 is not 200lbs heavier, don't believe the crap you read on the internet. Go here if you want proof: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550

well, the topic title is The Truth on H22 at least we are dispelling all the myths about it here.

dont forget the reason they put the h22 in the prelude is cuz the thing is like a freaking whale....
they coulda stuck the b series the prelude and it woulda been like a fat guy on a tri-cycle or they could installed the h series and it was like a fat guy riding a lawn mower.... big diference and they made the right choice..... now to answer your question id go with a gsr motor if your planning on a non-aplicated motor but you could swap in a ls vtec fer cheaper than a gsr and if you plan on turboing it then go ls vtec... id stay away from the h series its 200 lbs heavier which is alot fer the little amount of power your gain compared to the b series but thats just my opinion

What the hell are you smoking. What in the world is a non applicated motor. The H series motor is only about 20lbs heavier than a B18. And even then, its mounted with a tilt back towards the firewall to offset the weight that would cause understeer.

my bad.. i swear ive heard it was a lot heavier than 20 lbs and im pretty sure it was on AF but sorry bout that.... ima go tie a rope around my neck and jump off the balcony and if that dont work ill just stand in the corner fer awhile

and those weight on their are just the blocks not the heads.... just thought id tell you

the h sereies is all bad with a turbo because the turbo pushes all the fuel to the back on the h series.... and yes im sure about this one

Pushes the all the fuel to the back of what? Since when did turbos push fuel? I could've sworn turbines pushed air. H23's have proven excellent for turbo due to their low compression. H22's are a bit harder to work with because of their higher compression.

the h sereies is all bad with a turbo because the turbo pushes all the fuel to the back on the h series.... and yes im sure about this one
http://www.digitalend.com/pics/voltaire.jpg

really i'm speechless

the h sereies is all bad with a turbo because the turbo pushes all the fuel to the back on the h series.... and yes im sure about this one

Err, what? If you're trying to make some sort of technical point, please don't be so vague. With that out of the way... Fuel comes out of the tank and is put under pressure by the fuel pump, and it's still under pressure when it goes through the injectors. When it comes out of the injectors, it's turned into mist, which vaporizes, and is forcefully sucked through the engine. Now what's this about fuel getting pushed to the back?

If that's not what you were trying to get at, feel free to elaborate.

the h sereies is all bad with a turbo because the turbo pushes all the fuel to the back on the h series.... and yes im sure about this one
WRONG!!! H22 aren't good to boost in factory form cause they have weak ringlands.

and those weight on their are just the blocks not the heads.... just thought id tell you
you're right but the head isn't going to weigh more than the block. So all in all it's probably around 40-50lbs heavier than a b16a; still not 200lbs.

You're incorrect about the turbo pushing the fuel back against the walls. HOWEVER...the pressure from the turbo can push your injectors out, ripping the seals. This happened to my friends motor, and was he pissed when he caught it after he had just payed to get the thing tuned. So not only did he have to buy new seals, but he'll have to get the thing tuned all over again (although he has to now anyways since he swapped the setup to his other car).

What you need for an H22A swap:
H22A
92+ Prelude/Accord tranny
mount kit
ECU
90+ Accord intermediate shaft w/ 90-93 Teg axles
90+ Accord or 92+ Prelude shift cables and linkage
90 Teg LS upper radiator hose
94 Del Sol VTEC lower radiator hose
98 Prelude throttle cable
no A/C
you might need a thinner fan on u'r radiator
you can use u'r wiring harness, but it will have to modified

Alright, an H22A is 175-185 lbs heavier than a D16 drive train. And about 85 lbs heavier than a B16A drive train. You could do a frank w/ a B20 block and a B16A head. You'll get the same (or more) power as the H22A and be a little above the weight of the B16A drive train.

If i'm not mistaken...doesn't a h22 swap in a civic run mid to high 13's all day?(when running right) what other motor can u drop into a civic and put out anything lower than mid to high 14's....the weight problem doesn't create the steering problem...but just throw like 2 or 3 12's in the back...and u should be str8...this is just my :2cents:

It'll run 14's in a 96-00 Civic unless you gut the interior down to bare metal. Whoever says differently is talking out their ass.

I don't know about that man. I went to the track a year and a half ago with my buddy (who has an h22 in his '95) and he was pulling high 14's, so he was kind of pissed the times weren't better. But there was a red '96-'00 hatch there with an h22a swap and he was pulling high 13's. I mean he was running like 13.9-13.8, but technically that's 13's. I saw it with my own eyes, and checked out his car after he ran it. He had stock interior and just basic bolt ons. I caught it with my camcorder... but it was the first time I had ever used it, so when I first saw him run at night everything on my tape is dark as hell. I'll see if I can play with it tonight and lighten up the video. Also I'm not even positive I got his times, I know at one point I could tell it was going to be too dark and just shut the camcorder down for good that night. I'll see what I can do tonight with it.
EDIT - I looked at the footage, and I didn't even get most of it. I didn't know how to use the camcorder at the time, so it started getting blurry with the cars half way down tha track. I didn't even get the times on tape. Maybe I'll get lucky and the guy will be at the track this summer and I'll actually catch it on tape this time... :disappoin

There are some pretty uninformed posts in here.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTg2MjIxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

It doesnt look too bad sitting in the car. And yes, 12's are possible from a H22. It depends on which motor, and which car though.

There are some pretty uninformed posts in here.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTg2MjIxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

It doesnt look too bad sitting in the car. And yes, 12's are possible from a H22. It depends on which motor, and which car though.

pretty pix, but, where does that hose going over the head go to? looks like rerouting the power steering?

There are some pretty uninformed posts in here.

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNTg2MjIxNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

It doesnt look too bad sitting in the car. And yes, 12's are possible from a H22. It depends on which motor, and which car though.
my question is why a mod dug up this old ass post?!?!?

someone voted in the poll and it was brought back up to the front page

someone voted in the poll and it was brought back up to the front page
I see says the blind man to the deaf one.

pretty pix, but, where does that hose going over the head go to? looks like rerouting the power steering?
It is the alternator wiring.