Me and the WRX

Yeah i raced a WRX with my 94 integra LS(intake and exaust)and beat the shit out of it. HAHAHAHAHA:p I wish. No but i really did race a brand new stock WRX and i got spanked so hard, :cry: im suprised i'm living to tell about it. WRX's are nice cars, but why do they have to be so damn FAST. Oh well sooner or later Honda will come out with a turbo charged ricer burner we all can afford. MABYE!!!

Why? The ITR is as fast as the WRX and the same price
Why don't you just get a real Honda:hehe:

Because I have no money:cry:

Originally posted by G_racer
Because I have no money:cry: Thats why im rollin a 95 CIVIC:hehehe:

the wrx is still the better car :D

Originally posted by slowANDfurious
Why? The ITR is as fast as the WRX

where the hell did u hear that??? the non turbo impreza is as fast as an itr (yes i have raced one, no make that 2) dont go by the published times for imprezas theyre way faster.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


where the hell did u hear that??? the non turbo impreza is as fast as an itr (yes i have raced one, no make that 2) dont go by the published times for imprezas theyre way faster. \
Sport Compact Car didi a head to head shoot out between the US market ITR and the US market WRX sedan, the 0-60, ITR actually edged the WRX by 0.1 in their testsI know that a few cheap mods, like unglogging the plumbing on the wrx will allow it to smoke an ITR no contest though

ive said this many times before on here, but the wrx and 2.5 liter imprezas are faster than what the magazines get on their testing. it takes practice to launch one without bogging the engine, simply dropping the clutch at redline, which is what most magazines do, still bogs the engine down. i raced an itr with intake header exhaust at the dragstrip and beat him by .1 second through the 1000ft. now he was gaining on me so im sure he would have just barely edged me out through the full 1/4 mile, but mine is a 2.5liter, a wrx would hand me my ass with a skilled driver. and like i said that type r had i/h/e it wasnt stock.

plus mine is a wagon, which is 80 lbs heavier than the sedan :)

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


the non turbo impreza is as fast as an itr (yes i have raced one, no make that 2) dont go by the published times for imprezas theyre way faster.

What? The non turbo impreza is not as fast as the ITR! Last time i saw one running at the drags was in Joliet, he was getting eaten by GSRs and SIs!

Why would the Impreza be slower in magazines? Even if the times for the cars are slow, wouldn't the itr times be slow? I mean its SCC, they did multiple runs head to head, i dont see why they wouldnt be able to drive the WRX, id think it would be easier to launch and get a good time out of than the ITR. Ive never driven a Impreza though, i have driven an ITR however i know if driven properly its faster than the 2.5rs

sport compact car is a crappy mag Super street is better


my opinion tho :rolleyes:

Originally posted by slowANDfurious
The non turbo impreza is not as fast as the ITR! Last time i saw one running at the drags was in Joliet, he was getting eaten by GSRs and SIs!

wow he musta not had much practice driving that thing. im telling u it takes a LOT of time to get it down right. i could put 4 lengths on a gsr with intake header exhaust no problem. and if u read my above post it details ONE of my type r beatings.

in fact theres a guy here with an si with i/h/e and a 75 shot of zex nitrous and he can barely pull ahead of me...

think about it, usdm itr and 2.5 liter impreza have CLOSE to the same hp, but the impreza has a buttload more torque, closer gearing, awd launches and a more usable powerband. the itr's weight can only make up for so much of that.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl
think about it, usdm itr and 2.5 liter impreza have CLOSE to the same hp, but the impreza has a buttload more torque, closer gearing, awd launches and a more usable powerband. the itr's weight can only make up for so much of that. I believe you but if you beat type r's whith your 2.5 , why are the times for the WRX so close to the ITR's? What mods do you have?

Is a 2.5TS the same as a 2.5RS? Thats what was getting beaten

a ts is an rs wagon. my only mods performance wise are an air intake and a universal muffler. all im sayin is that the published times u read everywhere for imprezas, they can be much faster once youve had a good deal of practice in them. when i 1st took my car to the dragstrip, our local strip is only 1000ft long, i used the same launch method all the magazines do, put it to redline and drop the clutch. i was getting 14.1's on average, hardly a match for even an integra gsr. now that i have about 300 runs under my belt im getting on average 12.9 which means bye bye gsr :D . the difference is that i no longer just drop the clutch at redline cuz the engine bogs down when u do that, i drop the clutch, immediately press it back down and drop it a 2nd time, then press it about 1/2 way down and hold it for a split second before dropping it a final time, keeping my rpms up the entire time but still getting the advantage of that instant power transfer as opposed to slipping the clutch to keep rpms up. it takes exact timing that comes with, like i said, about 300 runs worth of practice and one stripped 1st, 2nd, and 5th gear (thank god for warranty!) my guess is all the magazines use the old drop the clutch once and go method cuz they havent spent enough time with it to perfect it, and ive got timeslips to prove my method is almost 1.5 seconds faster, at least in the 2.5 i havent had the chance to get a wrx on a track yet but if i do ill see how fast they really are too.

Great conversation guyz, i learned a lot, kinda. n e ways i have a simple question WHY DID YOU BUY THE WAGON??? :rolleyes: and why did subaru make the WRX so ugly?(of course thats my opinion, but lots seem to agree with me)?? it seems like they spent all of their time on performance(which is okay) but c'mon at least make it look good so when get beat your all "that car's so f****** PHAT." instead of "ya its fast".

Originally posted by G_racer
Great conversation guyz, i learned a lot, kinda. n e ways i have a simple question WHY DID YOU BUY THE WAGON??? :rolleyes: and why did subaru make the WRX so ugly?(of course thats my opinion, but lots seem to agree with me)?? it seems like they spent all of their time on performance(which is okay) but c'mon at least make it look good so when get beat your all "that car's so f****** PHAT." instead of "ya its fast".

yeah well i thought it was ugly too when i bought it, but hell im only gonna see it from the inside so what do i care? i like the phrase "u dont like the way my headlights look? thats fine, cuz youre only gonna see my taillights..." however after having it for a week or so the look really grows on ya, and i like it now it makes a lot of the other cars on the road look dated. i have gotten a hell of a lot of compliments from random people at gas stations, stores, etc... so i guess a lot of people do like the way it looks. and ive found a lot of girls really like the looks a lot, ive had a few at the street races say "wow that car turns me on".

as for why did i buy the wagon, why would anyone buy the sedan? i mean u pay the same price but u dont get that extra little bit of car, talk about getting ripped :D

no seriously i wanted to be different, ive always liked the looks of hatchbacks, especially wagons cuz i think they look a lot fuller than sedans. and can u say SOUND SYSTEM? a wagon is PERFECT for it! and i like my sound systems! and performance wise, after having driven both sedan and wagon, i find the wagon to be a bit faster on the road, the extra 80 lbs over the rear helping to rotate the rear end a little when the sedan just understeers.

btw it seems cooler if u forget the word wagon and think of it as a lowered SUV ;)

Originally posted by slowANDfurious
, why are the times for the WRX so close to the ITR's? What mods do you have?
Probably cause the WRX is a hella heavy car. Compare it
WRX= +/-3200 lb and the ITR is about 2600-2700

The stock WRX(turbo) Makes 14.6sec bone stock in the 1/4(slow huh? for a 227hp 200+lb/ft car). Also AWD cars launches are hella slow compared to front or rear wheel drive cars.
I know someone with an ITR hatch pushing 205whp and he beats the crap out of modded wrx's. He pushes a 13.4 sec on the 1/4 all motor full interior and street tires.:D

btw it seems cooler if u forget the word wagon and think of it as a lowered SUV

thats a good way of putting it:rolleyes: no really, n e ways it seems that your extremely satisfied with you decision, and i think im gonna give the WRX another chance MABYE, i dont know if my baby teg would like that:p j/k

Originally posted by fjt

Probably cause the WRX is a hella heavy car. Compare it
WRX= +/-3200 lb and the ITR is about 2600-2700

The stock WRX(turbo) Makes 14.6sec bone stock in the 1/4(slow huh? for a 227hp 200+lb/ft car). Also AWD cars launches are hella slow compared to front or rear wheel drive cars.


man have u read any of my posts in this thread? i swear i could hit a 13 in a STOCK wrx. hell i could prob hit a 14.6 in my impreza and its not a wrx. ive already hit 14.9s in it and that was whit a passenger. plus that was a long time ago, im faster now. and yes its prettly much stock i dont see an intake and a universal muffler helping my times very much.

and how are awd cars slow compared to fwd? i dont see many civics or integras smoking porsche turbos, skylines, or lamborghini diablos do u?

i though the fastest fwd in the world was running 8s. sorry guy but there are STREET LEGAL awds running that.

oh and a new impreza only weighs 3000 lbs, at least thats what mine weighs and its a wagon, the sedan is 80 lbs lighter.

Originally posted by fjt

Probably cause the WRX is a hella heavy car. Compare it
WRX= +/-3200 lb and the ITR is about 2600-2700

The stock WRX(turbo) Makes 14.6sec bone stock in the 1/4(slow huh? for a 227hp 200+lb/ft car). Also AWD cars launches are hella slow compared to front or rear wheel drive cars.
I know someone with an ITR hatch pushing 205whp and he beats the crap out of modded wrx's. He pushes a 13.4 sec on the 1/4 all motor full interior and street tires.:D

i wasn't asking why the itr is so close to the wrx, i know why, i was trying to make a point by saying "how can a n/a inpreza beat a itr if a wrx and itr are so even"

Originally posted by fjt
Also AWD cars launches are hella slow compared to front or rear wheel drive cars.

if there was ever a statement that was the complete opposite of any common sense...

okay if an awd and a 2wd car both have the same tires. and the 2wd car can put 100 hp to the ground from a standstill without breaking loose the tires, then the awd car can put 200hp down without breaking loose. if the 2wd can put 400hp down without breaking loose, the awd can put 800hp... with the same tires on both the awd will have double the amount of rubber putting power to the ground as a 2wd.

dude just think for a moment before u post next time...

Ya that statement about awd launcing slow is bull. I've seen a Porsce at the strip and when it launches it actually looked like it was "Jumping" or flying off the line , no shit. It was crazy

Originally posted by slowANDfurious
Ya that statement about awd launcing slow is bull. I've seen a Porsce at the strip and when it launches it actually looked like it was "Jumping" or flying off the line , no shit. It was crazy

yeah man, my car "jumps" and it doesnt even really have much power at all. i can imagine a porsche...

Originally posted by slowANDfurious
Why? The ITR is as fast as the WRX and the same price
Why don't you just get a real Honda:hehe:

sorry to rain on your parade but the ITR would get smoked by a WRX. Worse yet this summer the WRX Sti version should be hitting US soil and even a turbo ITR wouldnt have a chance against that beast.

lowered SUV? SUVs are the scum of the earth.

id rather have a wagon

Originally posted by hobbesboarder


sorry to rain on your parade but the ITR would get smoked by a WRX. Worse yet this summer the WRX Sti version should be hitting US soil and even a turbo ITR wouldnt have a chance against that beast.
OK youre correct, I checked out some other sources, the WRX shows better times in most other tests than in Sport Comapct Car's. The WRX is the faster car. I guess ldelaysionl is right, they must not have known how to effectively launch it. The times vary a lot, like SCC says itr 6.1, wrx 6.2.
C&D got 5.4 out of the WRX, nearly a second quicker, while mustering 6.6 in the itr, .5 slower. hum
I guess it really does depend on the driver, especially in the WRX

:confused:

Originally posted by kidrocket
lowered SUV? SUVs are the scum of the earth.

id rather have a wagon

well yeah i dont like suv's, but i came up with the lowered suv thing to tell these guys who actually drove a lowered suv around and asked me why i bought something as uncool as a wagon, i was like wtf???

Originally posted by slowANDfurious
Why? The ITR is as fast as the WRX and the same price
Why don't you just get a real Honda:hehe:

What is an ITR?

Integra Type R, anyways, why do people think that the way to launch is rev to redline and drop the clutch? I thouight the idea was to NOT spin the tires.

Id rather have my tires pulling me forward than spinning and making smokie, especially on a RWD and FWD cars, but since imprezas are AWD, they might not spin as easy, but then there is the problem that guy says about bogging the egine, lets se, if the tires arenyt spinning but the clutch is out and the car isnt moving, the engine will be slowed down alot, whivch makes a difference, but I just dont think that is how the guys at the magazines drive, Id fire em if that is how they drove the cars and got the numbers for me to publish

I agree with everything you guys are saying about the WRX and the whole Subaru line, all you have to do is drive one. I have drivin everything that Subaru has to over and they are pretty damn quick, even the OUTBACK. Once you have gone for a boot in a WRX anyone that thinks they aren't quick would quickly change their mind. The hook up is amazing, just think all the wheels getting power it is bound to make you go, and when that turbo kicks in it places you back in your seat. They arent exactly the prettiest things in the world but they are built to be functional, the AWD system is superb and they are one of the funnest cars I have ever driven. However it is completely different then any other car out there and it does have to be driven a little different to be effective, once you figure it out though you can roast alotta cars out there.:frog:

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


if there was ever a statement that was the complete opposite of any common sense...

okay if an awd and a 2wd car both have the same tires. and the 2wd car can put 100 hp to the ground from a standstill without breaking loose the tires, then the awd car can put 200hp down without breaking loose. if the 2wd can put 400hp down without breaking loose, the awd can put 800hp... with the same tires on both the awd will have double the amount of rubber putting power to the ground as a 2wd.

dude just think for a moment before u post next time...

i know im a little late in this argument but last time i checked when scc started making 250-300 whp they were stripping gears left and right like crazy so yeah you can have a 2wd with 200 whp versus a awd with 400 whp but when the clutches are let out how do we know that the tranny of the awd car is gonna hold up

to further back my statement up there are 400 plus whp honda's running around with stock trannies in fact the only weak link in the honda driveline are your axles which now-adays is cheaply remedied with aftermarket axles

furthurmore the itr you raced and beat must have been a horrible driver to allow a 2.5ts wagon to beat and by the way last time i checked the itr made 195 hp and the 2.5 motor made 160 but then again this is a lot of "crap" i read out of scc so i could be wrong besides super street im pretty sure does everything in thier means to have such a detailed and fair magezine:)

Originally posted by ReyKe


i know im a little late in this argument but last time i checked when scc started making 250-300 whp they were stripping gears left and right like crazy so yeah you can have a 2wd with 200 whp versus a awd with 400 whp but when the clutches are let out how do we know that the tranny of the awd car is gonna hold up

to further back my statement up there are 400 plus whp honda's running around with stock trannies in fact the only weak link in the honda driveline are your axles which now-adays is cheaply remedied with aftermarket axles

furthurmore the itr you raced and beat must have been a horrible driver to allow a 2.5ts wagon to beat and by the way last time i checked the itr made 195 hp and the 2.5 motor made 160 but then again this is a lot of "crap" i read out of scc so i could be wrong besides super street im pretty sure does everything in thier means to have such a detailed and fair magezine:)

i think u missed my point, i was saying if a 2wd and an awd have the same tires, the awd can puy down twice the hp as the 2wd. so if the 2wd could put down 200 hp without spinning the tires, the awd could put 400 down, even though they might both have 400 hp, the 2wd can only put 200 of it down without spinning but the awd can put all 400 down.

and its the japanese-spec itr that has 195 hp, not usdm. i think ours has 180? and lets compare torque, the impreza may "only" have 160 hp but its got 165 lb/ft torque. oh and how bout the much smoother power curve of the impreza... and the awd's ability to put twice the power to the ground without spinning... theres a lot more to winning races than peak hp numbers.

Originally posted by ldelaysionl


i think u missed my point, i was saying if a 2wd and an awd have the same tires, the awd can puy down twice the hp as the 2wd. so if the 2wd could put down 200 hp without spinning the tires, the awd could put 400 down, even though they might both have 400 hp, the 2wd can only put 200 of it down without spinning but the awd can put all 400 down.

and its the japanese-spec itr that has 195 hp, not usdm. i think ours has 180? and lets compare torque, the impreza may "only" have 160 hp but its got 165 lb/ft torque. oh and how bout the much smoother power curve of the impreza... and the awd's ability to put twice the power to the ground without spinning... theres a lot more to winning races than peak hp numbers.

first of all i think you missed my point yeah with the same tires where it would take 200 hp to break the wheels loose it would take 400 hp to break the wheels loose in an awd car but there's just one prob and thats subaru's drivetrain isn't strong enough to take such figures without turning the transmission to a box of oil and metal shavings

and also if you ever get the chance to talk to a regular subscriber to scc ask to see thier december 200 issue and look on page 135 scroll down through the integras and you'll find the jdm integra makes 197 hp and the usdm makes 195, this is becuase usdm has 10.6:1 c/r and the jdm has 11:1 c/r

yeah yeah smoother power curve, yeah yeah awd's supposedly reliable ability to put twice the power to the ground, but you're right about it takes more than hp numbers to win a race, but what you forget is that it really comes down to driver ability and that's my reason for saying the itr you raced did a bad job handling his car every honda enthusiast knows especially the smaller displacement crowd 1800cc's and below, where torque figures aren't exactly a strong point, know it's all in the launch and obviously mr itr hadn't mastered this or he would have showed you a nice set of tail's, and you know what i have nothing else to add to this i have said my piece live in ignorance if you want

Originally posted by ReyKe


first of all i think you missed my point yeah with the same tires where it would take 200 hp to break the wheels loose it would take 400 hp to break the wheels loose in an awd car but there's just one prob and thats subaru's drivetrain isn't strong enough to take such figures without turning the transmission to a box of oil and metal shavings

and also if you ever get the chance to talk to a regular subscriber to scc ask to see thier december 200 issue and look on page 135 scroll down through the integras and you'll find the jdm integra makes 197 hp and the usdm makes 195, this is becuase usdm has 10.6:1 c/r and the jdm has 11:1 c/r

yeah yeah smoother power curve, yeah yeah awd's supposedly reliable ability to put twice the power to the ground, but you're right about it takes more than hp numbers to win a race, but what you forget is that it really comes down to driver ability and that's my reason for saying the itr you raced did a bad job handling his car every honda enthusiast knows especially the smaller displacement crowd 1800cc's and below, where torque figures aren't exactly a strong point, know it's all in the launch and obviously mr itr hadn't mastered this or he would have showed you a nice set of tail's, and you know what i have nothing else to add to this i have said my piece live in ignorance if you want

live in ignorance??? easy there buddy this isnt a flame war yet and i dont think ive said anything warranting a flame so calm down.

well i just looked at my dec 2000 scc and i apologize it lists hp for the usdm itr at 195.

but like i said it takes more than peak hp to win. lets look at 1/4 mile times. all the times ive seen for a stock itr range from 15.1-15.6. now ive never had my car on a full 1/4 mile track but ive had it plenty on a 1000ft track, and my best time to date is a 12.9. if u do the conversion math, that works out to a 14.9-15.0-15.1 through the full 1/4. now sure thats not a precise measurement, but its a pretty damn close guess. its also FASTER than any published time ive seen for an itr. if u go by the slower estimates for the itr then its AT LEAST 1/2 second faster. also the itr would be pulling on me harder through the higher speeds, but a 1000ft track is shorter, giving me a slight advantage by letting me use my takeoff power but now giving him much time to use his high speed pulling power to catch up to me. maybe he was just a bad driver, but all the evidence ive seen seems to imply he was an average driver but my car is just faster than an itr through the 1000ft and possibly even the 1/4 mile.

actually its not uncommon for a type r to get into the 14s in the quarter

i can't believe this yet again let us refer to SCC again to get some "real" numbers if you'll look in the april 2000 issue and scroll through the stats for the type r you'll notice that the standing 1/4 mile is [email protected] now flip a few pages over to 79 and what oh my is this true is it really true [email protected] and let me get this straight you are driving a wagon doesn't that make your car heavier so in conclusion if the itr you raced had a good driver he would have spanked the living mess out of you the only time and place you'll beat an itr is in the rain and or up to 2nd gear so therefore for your car i don't care how much traction you have it won't do you any good after 2nd dude

Originally posted by ReyKe
i can't believe this yet again let us refer to SCC again to get some "real" numbers if you'll look in the april 2000 issue and scroll through the stats for the type r you'll notice that the standing 1/4 mile is [email protected] now flip a few pages over to 79 and what oh my is this true is it really true [email protected] and let me get this straight you are driving a wagon doesn't that make your car heavier so in conclusion if the itr you raced had a good driver he would have spanked the living mess out of you the only time and place you'll beat an itr is in the rain and or up to 2nd gear so therefore for your car i don't care how much traction you have it won't do you any good after 2nd dude

did u not just read my post above??? i just said my car gets 14s in the 1/4 mile so why are u telling me i get 15.7? i would get a 15.5 if i missed a shift, i couldnt get so slow as to hit a 15.7 if i tried.

and did u not also read the part where is said it is a 1000FT TRACK!!! a 1/4 mile is 1320ft so just in case u didnt know a 1000ft is shorter than 1320ft. do i need to do the math for u? just in case u cant figure it out on your own i will tell u its 320 ft shorter. observe:

1320-1000=320
that means:
1320ft-1000ft=320ft

so if an itr is only 2 tenths quicker than me through THE FULL QUARTER MILE, and thats on a near-perfect run for it, WHY CANT U UNDERSTAND I CAN TAKE IT THROUGH A SHORTER TRACK???

why dont u quit quoting everything youve read about and GO OUT AND ACTUALLY TRY SOME OF THIS SHIT! i am telling u what happened in the REAL WORLD, not in some fantasyland where cars ALWAYS run their best possible times.

wow someone here sure does get his feathers easily ruffled yes sure you do mid 14 but add another 320 feet and you'd be doing mid 15's your right the 1000 feet is shorter but in the real world the itr does the quarter a full second faster than you so like i said your slow and that driver wasn't a competent individual

to be honest with you my modified 3rd gen could put your subaru to shame, you may have gotten the best of an itr but one thing's for sure you would never get the best of my lude, especially in its current state

you know what why dont you sell your honda since you obviously have a tendency to bash them and select another forum on AF where they talk about nothing but bs subaru stories or hey go to streetkiaz.com they love to hate hondas, well im through with you, you just proved my point but please keep talking i want to feel good abot myself when i go to work for educating you

Originally posted by ReyKe
wow someone here sure does get his feathers easily ruffled yes sure you do mid 14 but add another 320 feet and you'd be doing mid 15's your right the 1000 feet is shorter but in the real world the itr does the quarter a full second faster than you so like i said your slow and that driver wasn't a competent individual

to be honest with you my modified 3rd gen could put your subaru to shame, you may have gotten the best of an itr but one thing's for sure you would never get the best of my lude, especially in its current state

you know what why dont you sell your honda since you obviously have a tendency to bash them and select another forum on AF where they talk about nothing but bs subaru stories or hey go to streetkiaz.com they love to hate hondas, well im through with you, you just proved my point but please keep talking i want to feel good abot myself when i go to work for educating you

i get my feathers ruffled when people tell me im an idiot and act like they know everything and dont listen to what im saying. i dont run the 1000ft in 14's i run it in TWELVES. add another 320 ft and NOW im hitting 14's. so dont tell me an itr is a second faster than me in the full 1/4, MAYBE hes a tenth or so faster, but no way will a stock itr EVER get more than 1/2 second in front of me through the 1/4. and considering he was hitting 12's also that puts him in the 14's for the 1/4 mile so by your own numbers u posted that makes him a competent driver. why dont u try to pay attention to what im saying this time like u havent any other time.

what does your prelude have in it? i raced a 88 prelude with a 94 prelude motor, intake, headers, open exhaust, cam gears, underdrive pulleys, and i STILL beat it. so unless u have even more mods than that youre not gonna beat me, and if u do, i hope your happy u had to put that many mods on your car to beat my STOCK station wagon.

i dont sell my honda cuz i LIKE hondas. thats why im in the honda forum and why i bought a classic honda.

i dont understand why new people to this forum immediately start talking shit and act like they know it all. it happens all the time, and by the rate youre going, it looks like youre just another drop in the bucket.

yes you're right you're absolutely right a station wagon with the 160 hp engine a stock friggin 2.5ts does the standing quarter in the 14's range you must have a magical 2.5ts it must have an invisible turbo and oh yeah by the way yeah all i have are overbored type r pistons, rebuilt engine, fuel pressure regulator, cam gears along with basic i/h/e and to add to this i doubt i highly doubt your wonderful 2.5TS could keep up with me especially since i have this car's interior fully gutted so pretty much bring it what the itr couldn't do to a mystically fast impreza I will

oh yeah i forgot to mention i do all my own work so next time you think your talking to someone who has never picked up a wrench to do his own oil changes please spare me becuase your assumptions will only make you look the fool

Originally posted by ReyKe
yes you're right you're absolutely right a station wagon with the 160 hp engine a stock friggin 2.5ts does the standing quarter in the 14's range you must have a magical 2.5ts it must have an invisible turbo and oh yeah by the way yeah all i have are overbored type r pistons, rebuilt engine, fuel pressure regulator, cam gears along with basic i/h/e and to add to this i doubt i highly doubt your wonderful 2.5TS could keep up with me especially since i have this car's interior fully gutted so pretty much bring it what the itr couldn't do to a mystically fast impreza I will

well i know my car does 14's and i really dont care if u do or not so im done with this discussion. u wont listen to any reason so theres no point in even trying.

oh and about all your mods that MIGHT be enough to take me, like i said, i hope youre happy u needed all those mods to beat a stock station wagon.

Dude, if you read any of my other posts, I usually keep an open mind about everything and always find a way to defend the underdog.

I just see NO WAY whatsoever you can run 14's in your Impreza Wagon. Your car can actually outjump even a Corvette off the line if you REALLY dump the clutch, but after the first 50 feet, the weight of four wheels dragging on your engine with 160 horses will have a Civic DX passing you. Also, you say that you've NEVER seen an ITR run faster than 15's...SportCompactCar has run one in 14.5, and this is a magazine, usually people driving personal cars do better. As a matter of fact, I've seen a GS-R with just i/h/e run a 14.8 quarter. You either are waaaay ahead of the driving learning curve in your town, or you need to change your screenname to IdelusionI.

My suggestion, invest in a scanner or a few bucks at Kinko's to get your timeslips scanned...

going to kinkos will not be necessary i have a digital camera and a timeslip right here beside me. now this is not my best time or anything this is more like average, a 13.1, which i dont know the exact conversion for the full 1/4 mile off the top of my head but its about 2 more seconds so around 15.1

since the picture is blurry i will post the numbers here and u can compare to the paper it should be clear enough u can tell that im typing the right numbers and not exagerrating.

13.00------------Dial In
.598-------------Reaction
2.287------------60 Foot (slow)
6.615------------330 ft
10.221-----------1/8 e/t
68.99------------1/8 mph
13.115-----------1000 ft e/t
77.90-------------1000 ft mph (slow)
.097---------------Finish Margin
Winner

NOW do u believe me???

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how bout this one? award on top, close up of plaque on bottom.

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or this?

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im not the kind of person who makes up shit when i come in here. everything ive said about my car is stuff thats really happened. when i say i won an award, i won that award. when i say i ran a time, i ran that time.

I dont th8ink your ca is all stock, loks like you got exhaust on that, and on that plaque, they say modified car, do they mean like engine mods or just the visual stuff, If they are going by actually what car looks the best like a show car, then I dont se a subaru wagon winning any tiume soon.

anyways, that could be your best time, also, how do I know that it is even your slip, I have friends whos I could borow to scan also.


one more thing, I dont see those rims and thr system helping you. one more question, did the guy in the ITR race you woith 3 passengers? and with like a hella expensive show system or something?

Originally posted by 94tegRS
I dont th8ink your ca is all stock, loks like you got exhaust on that, and on that plaque, they say modified car, do they mean like engine mods or just the visual stuff, If they are going by actually what car looks the best like a show car, then I dont se a subaru wagon winning any tiume soon.

anyways, that could be your best time, also, how do I know that it is even your slip, I have friends whos I could borow to scan also.


one more thing, I dont see those rims and thr system helping you. one more question, did the guy in the ITR race you woith 3 passengers? and with like a hella expensive show system or something?

my car has a universal muffler and an intake. thats it for engine mods. as for u thinking a subaru wagon doesnt look like a show car, well looks are an opinion and i guess the judges thought it did. of course the timeslips and the trophy i had displayed helped. plus the fact that i was the only car there that wasnt a honda acura or mitsubishi probably got me points too, a car show is about being origional, and when there are 10 types of one car there, and only one of the other, that one car definately gets more points. not to mention running a 2002 car in what at the time was 2001 helps with the impressive factor too.

i dont guess i can prove that slip is mine. next time i go to the track ill have someone take a damn video of my run if youre all that bent on not believing. actually if the guy still has it on camera, i have a 13.1 second run on video already in mpg format, ill try to find him tomorrow.

the rims are stock size, and lighter than the stock wheels, so i doubt they hurt me any. but i had stock wheels at the time i raced the itr anyway so it dont matter. i didnt have the system at the time either. the itr had intake, header, exhaust, i know this cuz i specifically asked him and looked at it all myself after we raced. and no he didnt have a passenger in his car, and that was one of the few times i didnt have a passenger either cuz i anticipated a close race. if i had carried a passenger like i usually do he woulda took me, we were within .05 seconds. i dont know if he had a system, but he was rolling on 18's and that aint helping none in a motor without much low end or torque like that. hence the reason i have 15's. he would prob take me now with the system. although i dunno, i anticipate hitting 12.7's next time at the track considering how bad i smoked this v8 truck yesterday who runs 12.9s and i beat him 3 times in a row. i guess well see.

remember, this is a car that a civic ex with i/h/e and a 75 shot of nitrous cant even touch. i dont know where u people are seeing your slow subarus but they need to learn to control their cars and extract the most potential from them. theres a lot more to it than going to redline and dropping the clutch.

well, yah, it is my oppinion, also, good job on thr trophy and about the rims, I was told by les schwab that the revos only came in white and black on a 17" rim and anything else wa plain silver

.... but looking closer shows they arent revos at all! :bloated: :eek: :apuke: :crying: :silly:

yeah theyre motegi racing mr7's. theres like a 4 week waiting list to get those in silver or white but theyre in stock in black, i guess im the only one who likes black wheels? if u see them in person they look bigger than 15's i had a guy ask me the other day if they were 17s :hehe:

Uhm...I wanna see under your hood. That looks an awful lot like the turbo Wagons...as far as I know, the non-turbo Subarus (i.e., Imprezas, Outbacks, etc...) get the rectangular lights, and only the turbos get the "Dodge Neon" fascia.

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Also, anybody else notice the small marking on the bottom-left of the back his car that look awfully like a "W" and an "R" and an "X"?

its pretty obvious its a WRX i guessed that ages ago

the front bumper is the thing to look at

I though WRX's had scoops on the hood for the intercoolers

cybercrx00 is correct wrx's have hood scoops. here is my motor. notoe the air intake straight to the throtte body. NO turbo, NO intercooler.
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if u think they look like wrx emblems look here
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hahaha it fooled me :D

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
hahaha it fooled me :D

haha, believe me youre not the 1st. ive had a lot of people tell me "hey nice wrx" :)

Fooled me too:mad:. Oh well...you must abuse the hell out of your car to get the times your getting...

LOL you guys are funny. anyways, who said it's uncommon for a type R to hit 14's? whoever said that bring your ass to the strip and i'll run 14's all day. dumbass that said that. and yes i have much respects for the wrx, it is pretty fast i must say. my best friend has a silver one and we drag all the time. i'll tell you this right now, it comes down to the driver. i;ve driven his car many of times and he's drove mine. we've dragged back and forth. the cars are pretty much even just depends on the start. but i'll tell you this, when we go autoX and to the track, i destroy his ass. the wrx isn't that great of a track car, it just needs to stick to rally.