Battle of the Superchargers! Lightning,GTP,Z24

this was one of those races that will be almost impossible to ever come by again. I was driving to my house with my GF on a freeway, when i see this GTP next to me, i try to get him to race a few times but nothing really happens. So were just driving side by side, me in the middle him in the left, and we slowly get up to an SVT lighting. I get next to the lightning and let the SC whine. He instantly hits it as well. So at about 60 MPH we go, he instantly pulls 1-2 cars on me, like im standing still, he had a bit of a head start on me, since he went after i passed him and was slowing down. At about 70MPH i look in my left mirror and i see the GTP hanging back their as well. So the lightning is in front, followed by me by about a car length, and the GTP about another car length behind me. At about 90MPH i actually pull on the lightning a little bit, not sure if he was slowing down for traffic ahead of us, but between 80-105MPH my car pulls really strong in 4th. It was a really close race, each car staying about 1-2 car lengths ahead of the other. Lightning, Z24 SC, then GTP in that order. I said 105MPH cause at that point it hits the governor, and really hard. It scared me the first time. But it was just a really cool race, to have 3 supercharger cars all racing. One race ill prolly never get to do again.

Good race but I think the lightning could have done a little better, I mean its a full second if not more in the 1/4 mile then you.

that may be, but that has nothing to do with it when it starts from a roll

Nice race. Wish you could of had that one taped. What can you do. Great story. Late...

damn...i wish i could have seen that one...that sounds like a nice race...

Nice race but be careful threeway races don't seem all that safe.

Now to defend my car: :cwm27:

You know stock GTPs are dogs after 85mph right? :naughty:

Nice race, that must've been cool.

woot woot lol

It seems weird that the Lightning got the jump and you pulled on him, but I'm not really sure how fast the Lightning is on the highway, and I'm sure the S/C Z24 pulls like crazy at higher speeds. Great race. Those GTP's aren't pushovers either.

Soudnsl ike fun, wish I had a lightning, but now that the SRT-10 is out it's a toss up, but otherwise you technically did get 1 kill out of it, right?lol

If you only trap 91mph, then the lightning should have killed you.

^^ thats why you read the post, this wasnt a drag, this was a roll from about 60 MPH. . . and if you also read, my car pulls a ton stronger after 90 MPH than it does before. Thats because at 80MPH it pops into 4th, that means im really low in the RPMS and with a supercharger, RPMS=Boost. . .

I would have never thought that one of those cavaliers would be that fast. I guess those automatics give them such a bad name.

I think his is an automatic and it's fast.

once the lightning hits the higher numbers, like driving a brick in the wind :) still a damn fast truck.

sweet race, id love to have seen it. Gah I want boost!!

Nice race, but he still should have taken you. Judging by your 60 ft time, you shouldn't be that far behind him in the 1/4 at first, but he should be pulling on you rharder once he gets rolling. It shouldn't be as bad past 110 mph, but as you said, your governor hits at 105. He was probably slowing down, but good race nontheless.

well the lighting top out at 145 pretty sure it held dont think is does anymore for the fastest production truck(the srt10 pry beat it) but when truck hit about 100 mph that wall of air is pretty freckin strong to get though the drag on the truck at that speed would be ridicious.

I went to dragtimes.com and found quite a few stock lightnings trapping over 100 mph. I know a quarter mile isn't a roll, but you can usually tell how fast a car is from a roll by looking at the 60 ft time and it's trap speed.

Yeah, after about 110, it's a totally different story. Do you happen to know what year the lightning was? That was a good kill.

I DIDNT BEAT THE LIGHTNING! And it looked like the last gen of lightning to be made, 2004 or so.

lol, but you ran one pretty hard which is still impressive. :bigthumb:

Yeah, a carlength is nothing at those speeds, maybe .1 seconds.

good race.. does that count as half a kill then? :D

So your car tops out at 105 Jayson?

yes thats when the computer tells it to stop, realistically is more around 140-150MPH. But its an economy car. . .

Good race Jayson...now time for a new ECU without a limiter

lol a 14.7 economy car...lmao thats awesome...you didn't lose mileage?? (no i'm not laughing at you...i think its cool tho)

Just to add no, you will not outpull a Lightning on the top end. The Lightning uses a pretty big Eaton which means more boost at higher rpms just as it would with a turbo. And, in the real world, that is exactly what it does. From a roll both the Lightning and it's cousin the Cobra are a nightmare with tires.

If you run 14. anything then no, you are not a candidate to beat a Lightning from a roll unless he lets you. With respect how "strong" that blower of yours feels in the top end will not change this. You would have to run a Lightning up to 120-125mph before the brick-like aerodynamics overcome the huge torque and start slowing acceleration dramatically, and that is stock.

If you have a limiter that kicks in @ 105mph then the Lightning should have eaten you unless he was not trying.

Just to add no, you will not outpull a Lightning on the top end. The Lightning uses a pretty big Eaton which means more boost at higher rpms just as it would with a turbo. Put simply going from a roll is much to a Lightning's advantage.

If you run 14. anything then no, you are not a candidate to beat a Lightning from a roll unless he lets you. It does not matter how "strong" that blower feels in the top end the mat shimply ain;t there.

If you have a limiter that kicks in @ 105mph then the Lightning should have eaten you unless he was not trying.


Amen. 91 mph vs. 101 mph trap speed, which one should win from a roll? But it was still a good race.

Lighning's disadvantage should come in after 110 mph, but since you have that limiter, it didn't even get to that.

Reading this makes me wanna call AA and go FI...god I hate being a student with no true income.

Reading this makes me wanna call AA and go FI...god I hate being a student with no true income.


Or just sell that car and get an E36 M3.

No, I'm pretty sure it makes me wanna SC my car.

E46 325i Stock WHP-165.7whp, 162.2ftlbs tq
E46 325i w/ AA SC-256.3whp, 220.1ftlbs tq

E36 ///M3 Stock-195.4whp/198.9whp,197.4ftlbs tq/202.9ftlbs tq

Do the math. I'll take an AA SC for an E46 325i.

supercharger was the best money ive ever put into my car. Its simple, reliable, easy to maintaine. And gains i got from it were just amazing, its a whole new car. The lightning, like i said he could have been slowing down for traffic, but i wasnt pulling very hard at all. And you really CANT USE 1/4 MILE TIMES, because i trap at 91MPH, my car pulls a hell of alot stronger after 90MPH than it does before 90 MPH. 1/4 mile times arent everything when it comes to street racing.

As for the ECU upgrade, yeah that will come in time, but before that happens i need to upgrade my brake pads, rotors, and get some Z rated tires, also im gonna swap in a sunfire speedometer, cause they go to 220MPH for some reason, even though the car wont go past 105MPH. . .go figure. But even before all that i wany my Lip kit and my guage pods. . . so much to do, so little money. . .

lol i thought cars with speedometers over 200 mph weren't street legal??

ahhh no i was an idiot, i forgot that when i first saw a pic of the sunfire cluster it was km/h. And i read a few post of some poeple thinking it was MPH, and it just kinda got stuck in my head... err

Dude, lol, trap speeds usually tell you how fast a car is from a roll, USUALLY. If you trap high, it means that the car is fast from a roll. If you trap really low, but get into 14s, that means that your car is better from a stop. Stis for example can run 12s, but their trap speed isn't as good as RWD 12 second cars because the AWD launch gets them into 12s. They are still quick from a roll, but the launch is what brings their times up. If they were RWD, they wouldn't get into 12s stock.

Sometimes I really don't understand you. I know a street race is a street race and anything can happen, but the lightning should eat you if you only trap 91 mph if he is really racing. Think about it, your limiter is set at 105. The lightning is almost at 105 by the end of his quarter mile. You're not even close to that. And I'm sorry, but people look at the quarter mile to see how fast cars are. What do you recommend?

It takes him 14 seconds to pass 105 mph. It takes you 14 seconds to pass 90 mph.

Like I said, good race but he was probably slowing down, unless he doesn't know what he's doing.

No, I'm pretty sure it makes me wanna SC my car.

E46 325i Stock WHP-165.7whp, 162.2ftlbs tq
E46 325i w/ AA SC-256.3whp, 220.1ftlbs tq

E36 ///M3 Stock-195.4whp/198.9whp,197.4ftlbs tq/202.9ftlbs tq

Do the math. I'll take an AA SC for an E46 325i.

I don't know a lot about BMWs, but I am doing the math.

Stock E36 M3 - 240 hp at the crank
Stock E46 325i - 184 hp at the crank

SCd E46 325i - 256 WHP
SCd E36 M3 - ???

err i know what ur saying about 1/4 mile time being a good judge of speed, but like you said the launch and what not have alot to do with the actualy trap speed. I also said it could have been that he was slowing down, idk for sure. But when i say pulling, i by no means meant it was like i was walking up to him. I still lost. . . so idk. Im not gonna argue this anymore cause no one here besides orangez and myself can really say what its like to drive a supercharged cavy, most of you have prolly never seen one before. All i can say is my car is alot faster after 90MPH than it is before it.

I don't know a lot about BMWs, but I am doing the math.

Stock E36 M3 - 240 hp at the crank
Stock E46 325i - 184 hp at the crank

SCd E46 325i - 256 WHP
SCd E36 M3 - ???

If you dont know alot about them, then I would recomend not telling peopele what to do about them. See, assuming that I could give my 325i back to the dealer for the exact price I paid for it (which we all know won't happen), I would barely be able to afford a mid to low-high miliage E36. Then, figure in gas costs, plus the costs of any repairs I'm assuiming would come with a used mid to high milliage car. Then add 6k for an SC. I cant afford that.

Or, I could scrape together enough cash, and stop eating for a few weeks, and maybe be able to SC my car. So, do the math, SCing my car is better than trading in mine and getting an E36 ///M3, which would basicly become a money pit, and I wouldn't be able to Supercharge. And becasue you are to lazy to do the research, an E36 ///M3 with an AA SC puts down 283 or 282 (depending on what year you buy) at the wheels.

If you dont know alot about them, then I would recomend not telling peopele what to do about them. See, assuming that I could give my 325i back to the dealer for the exact price I paid for it (which we all know won't happen), I would barely be able to afford a mid to low-high miliage E36. Then, figure in gas costs, plus the costs of any repairs I'm assuiming would come with a used mid to high milliage car. Then add 6k for an SC. I cant afford that.

Or, I could scrape together enough cash, and stop eating for a few weeks, and maybe be able to SC my car. So, do the math, SCing my car is better than trading in mine and getting an E36 ///M3, which would basicly become a money pit, and I wouldn't be able to Supercharge. And becasue you are to lazy to do the research, an E36 ///M3 with an AA SC puts down 283 or 282 (depending on what year you buy) at the wheels.


God, you need to get your priorities straight. Do you know what you want? Do you want an every day car or do you want a fast car? Why did you buy a slow BMW if you wanna race people? You could have gotten an old M3 for that money. People don't buy a new 325i to race. If you wanna race, get an E36 M3 and supercharge it. Even if you don't supercharge it, it won't be slow like the 325i. E36 M3s are not that expensive. If you have no money to eat, then I guess you don't know how to manage your money. Just get a VW bug instead. :2cents:

You should have known that when you buy a luxury car, you'll have to pay more for maintnance and aftermarket parts. :loser: My headers cost more than a b16b, which I could have put into my old car. It's a fact of life, live with it. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. Just stop talking shit and get something you can afford.

Ya know what, I had something nice and long to type up, but I'm not gonna waste my time on you. You, for some reason, have found it entertaining to chase me down in every post, but I am gonna be the better person, and just drop it.

Yes, go back and reread this post. Look at what I said, and what you said. I didn't come to talk about BMWs, I just made a recommendation :screwy:

Dude, lol, trap speeds usually tell you how fast a car is from a roll, USUALLY. If you trap high, it means that the car is fast from a roll. If you trap really low, but get into 14s, that means that your car is better from a stop. Stis for example can run 12s, but their trap speed isn't as good as RWD 12 second cars because the AWD launch gets them into 12s. They are still quick from a roll, but the launch is what brings their times up. If they were RWD, they wouldn't get into 12s stock.

Sometimes I really don't understand you. I know a street race is a street race and anything can happen, but the lightning should eat you if you only trap 91 mph if he is really racing. Think about it, your limiter is set at 105. The lightning is almost at 105 by the end of his quarter mile. You're not even close to that. And I'm sorry, but people look at the quarter mile to see how fast cars are. What do you recommend?

It takes him 14 seconds to pass 105 mph. It takes you 14 seconds to pass 90 mph.

Like I said, good race but he was probably slowing down, unless he doesn't know what he's doing.

this is were people underestimate aero dynamics. trucks at about 85-95 mph like someone said earlier seem to hit a brick wall. the truck that 97tsi raced tried to race me on the freeway and wasn't doing bad at all until about 90mph and then it seemed like it almost just stoped.
i asked him afterwards about it and he said he runs the 1/4 mile in 13.8 but after 85mph its a dog.


aero dynamics guys, its a serious part of speed

i own a lightning and it pulls hard past 120+ youi are no match for it even if it is stock mine runs 12.6xx i know youi didnt say you beat him but just wanted to let you know from experience that with your times he just didnt want to race to hard
i know aero's do make a huge burdon but with 500TQ stock it can pull pretty well

i own a lightning and it pulls hard past 120+ youi are no match for it even if it is stock mine runs 12.6xx i know youi didnt say you beat him but just wanted to let you know from experience that with your times he just didnt want to race to hard
i know aero's do make a huge burdon but with 500TQ stock it can pull pretty well


450 stock

lol well i think you just lost all credibility if you dont even know the engine specs of YOUR car. . .

450 stocksince when did he say his was stock?

youi are no match for it even if it is stock mine runs 12.6xx.

read that over.

since when did he say his was stock?

youi are no match for it even if it is stock mine runs 12.6xx.

read that over.


i know aero's do make a huge burdon but with 500TQ stock it can pull pretty well

Loser :loser:

Loser :loser:does it make you feel good about yourself calling people names? his trucks not stock, dont care if he claims its stock 12.6xx is not a stock lightning.. If he thinks he is running 12.6 in his stock lightning then hes talking out his ass.

I did make the mistake about the 500tq, happy I admitted it? Now go tell all your friends about your accomplisment today.

I know, I think what he was trying to say is that despite aerodynamics, stock lightnings are still fast with 500 lb/ft of torque. But they "only" have 450 stock, not 500. He wasn't talking about his, he was talking about stock ones.

sounds like one in a million good kill on the gtp.

hey jayson, i'll be in livonia for the long thanksgiving weekend, maybe we can find time to race this time.

ok well u do realize that not all #'s quoted by the factory are correct right so i guess my truck which pulled ~435 to the wheels stock only had 450 stock ft/lbs. your right i know nothing about my car just because you can read some articles and have seen them on the car lot your an expert i bow down to you your almighty ness
JLI

ok well u do realize that not all #'s quoted by the factory are correct right so i guess my truck which pulled ~435 to the wheels stock only had 450 stock ft/lbs. your right i know nothing about my car just because you can read some articles and have seen them on the car lot your an expert i bow down to you your almighty ness
JLI


"Those numbers" came from Ford, not a magazine kiddo.

If it had that much torque, it would be a lot closer to an SRT10, wouldn't it?

Googled, and found this.

http://www.dynoperformance.com/jpgraph/graph_hptq.php?ID=340&width=680&height=450

Unless you have an older one. But still, even if the older one had more torque, I'd imagine that they would try to improve their product and the newer one would be faster than the older one, or am I wrong?

typeS, sure id be up for it, lets see i got friday night off, but ill be with my GF till about 11 PM or so, i work saturday and get off at around 12:30AM and sunday i get off around 11:30PM. If you wanna try and do it before that, i can do it before 3PM on saturday and sunday. That is also if it doesnt snow. I was listening to the news thismorning and theirs a chance 4 inchs could drop today and tonight. Ill PM you my cell.

Really? Hopefully it's not gonna be too bad on I-94 tomorrow morning because I gotta drive 300 miles, and I don't feel like driving 300 miles in snow.

"Those numbers" came from Ford, not a magazine kiddo.

If it had that much torque, it would be a lot closer to an SRT10, wouldn't it?

Googled, and found this.

http://www.dynoperformance.com/jpgraph/graph_hptq.php?ID=340&width=680&height=450

Unless you have an older one. But still, even if the older one had more torque, I'd imagine that they would try to improve their product and the newer one would be faster than the older one, or am I wrong?

well if u can get to a lightning forum and see the #'s that are actually being put down most 03-04 lightnings are doing 360-372rwhp with very good tq #'s also . so dont believe everything u find on google.

when did they dyno this ill gain 15 hp easy on a cool night over a humid day with the supercharger