Turbo the D16z6 or drop in B16A?

Hey all import lovers!! I just recently purchased a 92 civic CX hatch, its already got the D16z6 from a 95 civic ex (sohc vtec), what would be my best bet, turbo this with about 8-9psi, or drop in the b16a? I've got some mods done to it already..simple stuff, AEM cold air intake, thermal exhaust, highflow cat, JDM taillights, clear corners, front and rear strut bars. Oh and of course its a 5 speed. And to help u decide a little better I drive this as a daily driver...

Thanks in advance guys!! :smoker2:

almost forgot the d16z6 has around 85,000 miles on it. And it was taken care of, with oil changes and all, and i took it yesterday to get the oil system totally cleaned with a chemical to get any oil geled up to any of the internals, and completely flushed, then refilled with new oil... thanks grease monkey!!

Originally posted by wees87lx
almost forgot the d16z6 has around 85,000 miles on it. And it was taken care of, with oil changes and all, and i took it yesterday to get the oil system totally cleaned with a chemical to get any oil geled up to any of the internals, and completely flushed, then refilled with new oil... thanks grease monkey!! Whoa you even change the oil on your car, thats amazing :finger:

Its upto you man, what exactly are you looking for out of your car? But personally nothing beats the sound of a BOV :devil:

I notice uhave a 93 CX what u have in it?

Originally posted by wees87lx
I notice uhave a 93 CX what u have in it? Hahaha, a Power Puff Girl blue valve cover to match that monsterous 70hp beast of a motor :devil:

Hahaha, no real mods yet less you call removing the resonator a mod. All my mods are in the mail... well, ok a few of them are... kit should be coming in 2-3 weeks depending on what I can get quoted for a paint job.

lol i tell ya what man, D16z6 is pretty good in the CX, the kid i beat has a new si, and it pulled maybe a half car oh him and it actually won....

it all goes back to the basic question what is your expected goal? if under 200 whp is your goal then stick with the d series. if you plan on going over 200whp go with a b16. the b series motor is a better base to start off with then a d series motor but if your goals arent that high then it might just be overkill.

sit and thnk whatyou wanna do and how much its gonna costy each way you go, and make your decision.


alls i know is to build a good safe reliable powerhouse turbo d series is gonna run you from 4-6 grand (current project at hand )

SOHC VTEC? Psssht... I would rather keep my CX motor :finger:

The gas saving 70 big HP CX motor owns jOO!!! lmao :flipa: :o which would be cheaper? turbo or b16a?

They'd both come out about the same price but the D16 turbo would net you more power over the stock B16. But then you're kinda starting to max out the potential of the D16 where as the B16, you have alot more room to work with it.

It depends on what you want like they said. I'd stick with the D16 and turbo it for shits and giggles and it'll be great educational experience for you. You can experiment all you want on it and then if and when you blow it up, you'll be better informed on what your next step should be.

The B16 has so much more potential than the D16. Also, the power is somewhat more usable than the turbo power, and finally, the engine will last much longer normally aspirated.

With the B16s out there, I wouldn't really force induce a D16.

My 2 cents.

I would go with a B16 because no matter what you think now you will always want more power and after 180BHP your SOHC engine will really need alot of work if you want it to last

Im going with a B16a for my civic but thats just me

2 weeks and counting till I can rev it passed 8K woohoo

Jeff

turbo the d16...you can get 200whp out of that engine easily and it won't cost more than the b16a.....should be good for low 13s, high 12s....plenty fast for a civic. Either way though, it's a win win situation.:D

Buy a B16A swap from Sparq and tell him Sean sent you.

Thank you.

The APEXI turbo kit for the 92-95 EX engine puts down around 195 ponies to the ground with 8-9 PSI intercooled. The only thing is the price on that kit but you can piece a used Greddy kit for around 1200 and put the same numbers on your hatch.New will be around 2000-2300.
Make sure you prep your motor for boost and that you get the right fuel feed for your engine

IMO i would turbo the SOHC and show the "swap" guys that changing the motor is not always the only choice possible around and that you can run 12 with a sohc motor. It seems that on these days nobody is willing to works their SOHCs and they inmediatelly tell swap swap swap.

preping motor u mean upgrading fuel pump, get fuel pressure regulator? cause i really don't want to have to build the engine up inside. I'll use lower boost if i have to.

Preping the motor being lower CR do some work on the crank new rods pistons maybe some head work

and yes fuelsystem too


as for as putting down 200WHP and running 13 maybe even 12s... um no
maybe if you have a fully striped down car

Im looking at pushing 250-280WHP out of my 2170LBS civic and Im hoping to hit mid to low 13s maybe have a 12sec car from a rolling start but if you do the math and run the #s 200BHP out of a very torqueless engine will not get you under 13s

plus I really don't think the D block will hold up long with 200BHP so you would need to prep the engine unless you want a quick car for a week or two

I think with turbo low 14s maybe..... maybe high 13s

did you guys see the SCCM Supercharger review 272BHP and it ran 14.4 yes hooking up was a big problem but I don't think over 1.5 secs worth to break into the high 12s mark and thats with 72 more BHP over the other setup

same goes for the Type R 1/4 mile test from the Ultimate street car challenge had 242WHP yet only made a 14.7 pass at the track yes once again not setup for drag but like I said before no more then 1.5 secs was lost

also 210BHP is what a Eclipes has stock "GST" it weighs 2900LBS
if at 2100LBS a civic with the same BHP yet less torque should run high 12s-low 13s that would make a stock GST Eclipes run 13.8 or less in stock form


money for power the B16-B18 would be the best way to go becuase if you want anything over 180BHP you will have to really build the motor up unless you wany a fully track car thats not streetable "atlest I would not trust it"


its your money and your car just do the reserch I've found alot of drag times online you can use to get an idea of what your car would run

check out

http://www.g-speed.com/pbh/fastest/turbo-only.html

it has a few listing

theres one Delsol SI running a JRSuperCharger with a 70 shot of NOS and hes running 12.5

every other civic running turbo is running 14.1 or slower

Bust your ass and do both :D

Actually your 9:1 compression should be good for boost but lower compression= more boost.
I would leave it like that for now and just invest on a better fuel system and if you can some reinforcing on the engine.

Theres a guy around here (VTC Civic) that has a Turbo EX runing at about 8 PSI on completelly stock internals, just a better fuel system.He's been runing the turbo for about 8 months or more and no single damage whatsoever to his engine.I think he puts around 194hp to the ground with his set up.

Originally posted by jeffie7
Preping the motor being lower CR do some work on the crank new rods pistons maybe some head work

and yes fuelsystem too


as for as putting down 200WHP and running 13 maybe even 12s... um no
maybe if you have a fully striped down car

Im looking at pushing 250-280WHP out of my 2170LBS civic and Im hoping to hit mid to low 13s maybe have a 12sec car from a rolling start but if you do the math and run the #s 200BHP out of a very torqueless engine will not get you under 13s

plus I really don't think the D block will hold up long with 200BHP so you would need to prep the engine unless you want a quick car for a week or two

I think with turbo low 14s maybe..... maybe high 13s

did you guys see the SCCM Supercharger review 272BHP and it ran 14.4 yes hooking up was a big problem but I don't think over 1.5 secs worth to break into the high 12s mark and thats with 72 more BHP over the other setup

same goes for the Type R 1/4 mile test from the Ultimate street car challenge had 242WHP yet only made a 14.7 pass at the track yes once again not setup for drag but like I said before no more then 1.5 secs was lost

also 210BHP is what a Eclipes has stock "GST" it weighs 2900LBS
if at 2100LBS a civic with the same BHP yet less torque should run high 12s-low 13s that would make a stock GST Eclipes run 13.8 or less in stock form


money for power the B16-B18 would be the best way to go becuase if you want anything over 180BHP you will have to really build the motor up unless you wany a fully track car thats not streetable "atlest I would not trust it"


its your money and your car just do the reserch I've found alot of drag times online you can use to get an idea of what your car would run

check out

http://www.g-speed.com/pbh/fastest/turbo-only.html

it has a few listing

theres one Delsol SI running a JRSuperCharger with a 70 shot of NOS and hes running 12.5

every other civic running turbo is running 14.1 or slower

the d-series motors are just as strong as the b-series motors.....there are plenty of guys running 10lbs daily, 12lbs at the track (stock bottom end, good fuel management)....the CX only weighs 2100lbs....I've seen hatchbacks with an ITR swap hit 12.9....you should be able to hit at least low 13s in a CX with 200whp

in that case my 2170LBS civic by summer time should have 250-280WHP
after going on a little diet Im hoping to knock 70LBS off "anytips guys?" anywho it should set me well in the 12s at the track even tho I really don't think it will but hey if I keep thinking 13s and hit 12s I wont mind at all plus theres no let down =)

Yeah, I've been to the track many times and have seen EG civics run low 12's over and over, you just have to have knowledge time and money, though this way will save more money than doing a swap. You can already be going fast at the price to swap in a new engine. Besides at least this way you can always learn and in the chance of a detonation, do the swap or do the d16 up again!

Please look at the thread dates, this thread is almost 4 years old.

ok show me some posts on the d16z6 that have been posten after 2004, all the info i get anymore is swap out your engine, and sites like turbod16 for some reason have the forum locked so i cant even post

Please look at the thread dates, this thread is almost 4 years old.

WOW talk about old holy crap I just got an e-mail saying someone replyed to the thread. =)

Since then I insalled a built B16, (from bottom to top) about a year later I sold the car and it now makes with the current owner 570WHP on race gas and 430WHP on pump gas.

wow time does wonders.

oh and it went 10.6 =)

The point was that you didn't even ask a question, that would be a little more understandable. I don't see why they'd have the forums locked, maybe it's a trial thing when you first sign up (to make you read and search before even consider posting a question). I'll post in your thread, so I don't continue jacking this one; I've got some info for you...