Al-Jazeera broadcasts bin Laden tape

bin Laden tape (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6363306/?GT1=5472)

And here is the number one reason I will be voting for Bush this year. As the father of a 16 year old son that could potentially be over there in uniform in 2 short years and as the uncle of several nephews that are already in uniform I cannot in good conscience cast a vote for Kerry. In my opinion Kerry just does not have what it takes to deal with this and Bush has already demonstrated that he will stand his ground and do what is necessary to battle terrorism no matter what world opinion dictates.

I will not be able to look my son in the eye on the morning after the election if I do not cast my vote for Bush.

Bush is a shithead. Trust me, your son and family will be safer if they aren't there, because all bush is going to do when he finishes is going to push onto Iran and N. Korea. Believe me, I'm 17. Im nervous as hell, and I just dont' trust bush, because he isn't running the cabinet, Cheney is.

Bush is a shithead. Trust me, your son and family will be safer if they aren't there, because all bush is going to do when he finishes is going to push onto Iran and N. Korea. Believe me, I'm 17. Im nervous as hell, and I just dont' trust bush, because he isn't running the cabinet, Cheney is.

How exactly are we going to be safer? If Kerry pulls everyone out, the terrorists will just bring the war over to our land. And you are "nervous as hell" over what?

How exactly are we going to be safer? If Kerry pulls everyone out, the terrorists will just bring the war over to our land. And you are "nervous as hell" over what?

kerry's plan isnt to pull everyone out, you just cant do that, his plans are so the war isnt gonna last as long, which is gonna be hard. wheres the evidence that the terrorist responsible for it(bin laden) is in iraq? more than likely, evidence points to the mountains in afganistan, thats where we should be mainly looking.

Osama wants Kerry in office. Gee, I wonder why. Does anyone here really believe that the Muslims will stop? If so, about that bridge I'm selling.......

Osama wants Kerry in office. Gee, I wonder why. Does anyone here really believe that the Muslims will stop? If so, about that bridge I'm selling.......

good reasoning there buddy.

Hmm, what could I be nervous about. Take your head out of your ass and realize that I am one year away from being legally drafted. Do you think I am sitting pretty here? No, I'm nervous that I'm going to be sent off to sandland to fight a pointless war. Trust me, terrorism will not change no matter who is in office.

Hmm, what could I be nervous about. Take your head out of your ass and realize that I am one year away from being legally drafted. Do you think I am sitting pretty here? No, I'm nervous that I'm going to be sent off to sandland to fight a pointless war. Trust me, terrorism will not change no matter who is in office.


What a wuss. You are telling me you sit around scared and nervous because you think you may have to go fight for your country? There is going to be no draft. Maybe if you paid attention to actual news instead of what you hear in highschool you'd know that. That is THE stupidest reason to vote for Kerry.

Bush has already demonstrated that he will stand his ground and do what is necessary to battle terrorism no matter what world opinion dictates.


Welcome to the forum bob!

All Bush has actually demonstrated is that he is prepred to 'talk the talk' while his marines 'walk the walk'.In real terms,he has sentenced 100 of your sons to die ,and 7000+ to be crippled for life,and not brought one single terrorist to account for the WTC attacks...

or found any WMD.

Osama wants Kerry in office. Gee, I wonder why. Does anyone here really believe that the Muslims will stop? If so, about that bridge I'm selling.......


Are you labeling the entire religion or just the "extremist?"

Hmm, what could I be nervous about. Take your head out of your ass and realize that I am one year away from being legally drafted. Do you think I am sitting pretty here? No, I'm nervous that I'm going to be sent off to sandland to fight a pointless war. Trust me, terrorism will not change no matter who is in office.

You are also several years away from knowing what you're talking about.













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Are you labeling the entire religion or just the "extremist?"

At this point I'm not sure who the "extremists" are. I come down on the side of caution and would say that they are all suspect, either by action or lack of action. One thing is certain, so far, all the terrorists flaunt their Islamic religion, and cite it as their number one motivation in their war against us. They labeled it, we didn't. And they couldn't function without a lot of support from the people that inhabit the same areas. Look at Fallujah, for instance. 2,000 Al Queda, a lot of them imported muslims, running free in the city while millions of armed residents do nothing. If you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem. I see no middle ground, either they are for Al Queda or against it. If they are really against it, the do something about it. Just don't sit on your ass and watch a bunch of US Marines walk into an ambush.

At this point I'm not sure who the "extremists" are. I come down on the side of caution and would say that they are all suspect, either by action or lack of action. One thing is certain, so far, all the terrorists flaunt their Islamic religion, and cite it as their number one motivation in their war against us. They labeled it, we didn't. And they couldn't function without a lot of support from the people that inhabit the same areas. Look at Fallujah, for instance. 2,000 Al Queda, a lot of them imported muslims, running free in the city while millions of armed residents do nothing. If you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem. I see no middle ground, either they are for Al Queda or against it. If they are really against it, the do something about it. Just don't sit on your ass and watch a bunch of US Marines walk into an ambush.

But where is your proof on that? CNN or Fox? My fam. is from Iraq and all Falluja want is peace. Believe me if there is any foreign arabs using the name of Islam as an excuse to kill...Fallujans will handle them or any good muslim. The ppl in Falluja are Saddam's former army fighting or just Iraqis that simply doesn't want the Americans there. Not "AL - Queada" or Abu Zarqawi which i think its Americas bogey man. I see no proof in the media or whatever evidence they presented us is not enough in my eyes. Look at Hitler. He did it in the name of Christianity of killing innocent jews. Remember terrorist are humans like you and I. Therefore anyone or any religion or no religion can take aggressive actions towards anyone or any nation.

At this point I'm not sure who the "extremists" are. I come down on the side of caution and would say that they are all suspect, either by action or lack of action. One thing is certain, so far, all the terrorists flaunt their Islamic religion, and cite it as their number one motivation in their war against us. They labeled it, we didn't. And they couldn't function without a lot of support from the people that inhabit the same areas. Look at Fallujah, for instance. 2,000 Al Queda, a lot of them imported muslims, running free in the city while millions of armed residents do nothing. If you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem. I see no middle ground, either they are for Al Queda or against it. If they are really against it, the do something about it. Just don't sit on your ass and watch a bunch of US Marines walk into an ambush.
The marines are having a hard time combatting the terrorists yet you want civilians to do it? Please tell me how a civilian can help without risking his/her and their families lives? As far as labeling all Muslims extremists, then I say to you that all Christian's are racists, sexist ect. Blaming it all on one group. See the logic here?

How exactly are we going to be safer? If Kerry pulls everyone out, the terrorists will just bring the war over to our land.
1.When you don't enter a warzone, you're much safer.
2.Kerry isn't going to pull out.
3.If you can translate what Bin Laden was saying in the tape, he says that he is surprised by the American people because Bush is deceiving them and that gives the terrorists further reasons to attack. Bush being in office threatens the US in more reasons than one now.

Osama wants Kerry in office. Gee, I wonder why. Does anyone here really believe that the Muslims will stop?
That's your opinion on the tape, mine is that Osama wants Bush in office just to motivate his followers on more attacks.
And again, racists comments like that aren't needed. Please STFU and get your head outta your ass, thankyou have a nice day

hat a wuss. You are telling me you sit around scared and nervous because you think you may have to go fight for your country? There is going to be no draft. Maybe if you paid attention to actual news instead of what you hear in highschool you'd know that. That is THE stupidest reason to vote for Kerry.
Yes, I guess being afraid to enter such a warzone because some oil hungry bafoon wants to get richer is such a stupid reason not to go to war. I guarantee you that if the reasons behind the war were just, no one would turn down the oppurtinity to do something to help; hell, even other countries wouldn't be so hesitant. Voting for Bush because you think the country is gonna be safer/better is THE stupidest resons to vote for Bush.

I leave you all with this quote and will offer an e-cookie to the person who can trace it to it's author

"Your security is not in the hands of the cheif-in-command. Your security is in your hands. Stop meddling with other countrie's security- no one will meddle with yours"

You know what dayna, when its time for the draft, you can go in my position. :)

There is no draft and no plans for a draft :disappoin But, I'm sure you can follow the cowards running to Canada.













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Very well put, Raz Kaz.

I am going to state once more, that there are to be no anti muslim comments in this forum. If you can't discern between muslims and terrorists, that's your problem, but don't go bleating about an entire culture you do not understand. Imagine how upset you would be if someone used isolated instances such as the bombings of abortion clinics, or the burning of heretics at the stake to label all christians as terrorists and murderers.

Furthermore, civilians in a war zone are not required to take up arms, certainly not to protect the occupying foreign power. That's like criticizing the French for not fighting the resisitance during WW2.

Aloharocky, I don't know where you have heard that there are two thousand Al Qaeda operatives in Fallujah, but that is flatly wrong. Do you have a source for that, or do you just equate anyone who opposes the US armed presence in the middle east as Al Qaeda? If that's the case, they must have a VERY successful recruiting campaign, which has reached hundreds of millions of people.

Dayna240SX, there's no need to go insulting people, there is a stress release forum for a reason, if you've got your knickers in a knot. Also, you'll find the "actual news" varies drastically, and what flavour of the "actual news" you subscribe to. I get the impression you're a Fox News kind of person, in which case your "actual news" is actual rhetoric mixed with sensationalism and propaganda. Fox News is the American Pravda.

Now personally, if I were to vote for an American candidate, which is not likely seeing as how I'm not a US citizen, it would be Kerry. The guy may be a douchebag, but he's more likely to manage the wars the US is already fighting than to start new ones, as opposed to Bush, who has already shown complete ineptitude at managing the wars he starts, yet insists on starting new ones.

At this point I'm not sure who the "extremists" are. I come down on the side of caution and would say that they are all suspect, either by action or lack of action. One thing is certain, so far, all the terrorists flaunt their Islamic religion, and cite it as their number one motivation in their war against us. They labeled it, we didn't. And they couldn't function without a lot of support from the people that inhabit the same areas. Look at Fallujah, for instance. 2,000 Al Queda, a lot of them imported muslims, running free in the city while millions of armed residents do nothing. If you aren't part of the solution then you're part of the problem. I see no middle ground, either they are for Al Queda or against it. If they are really against it, the do something about it. Just don't sit on your ass and watch a bunch of US Marines walk into an ambush.

The extremist Muslim goes against most of what his religion,choosing only to push the dim racist agenda that he gets off on...it's a huge power trip thinly disguised as racism.Fortunately the vast majority of Muslims want none of it.

Take out the word 'muslims' and replace it with 'American'.There are just as many dangerous nutters in the States detemined to prolong this war as long as possible.And like the Middle East, there are just as many people guilty of sitting on the fence and doing nothing to stop it.

A vote for Bush is a vote for more war.

You know what dayna, when its time for the draft, you can go in my position. :)
Seriously why do you think there is going to be a draft. The US military works off of quality not quantity.They know its better to have a few well trained soldiers who are able to handle battle than to have a few hundred sory ass soldiers who are likely to blow up their comrads. Remember that the draft was brought up by liberals. Even if Bush pushed for a draft neither the House nor the Senate would ever allow it. Get out of your fricken dream world, stop whining, and start thinking. There will be no draft.

Actually I was talking to someone at work about how "Rbraczyk" still thinks there is going to be a draft...

She told me that there is a big group of guys that are up to re-sign for the military but they are waiting to see who gets in office. If Kerry gets in, they are not going to sign back up. So if Kerry thinks he is going to continue this war, many of the soldiers now aren't going to want to fight for him so there is your draft.

Nah even then I doubt there will be a draft. People right now are more opposed to a draft than ever, and most of the government knows that.

Besides I know a very large number of people in highschool who are intent on going into the military no matter who is elected. While I won't disagree that if Kerry is elected, a lot of experienced military personel might leave, we will still have plenty in numbers

1.When you don't enter a warzone, you're much safer.
2.Kerry isn't going to pull out.
3.If you can translate what Bin Laden was saying in the tape, he says that he is surprised by the American people because Bush is deceiving them and that gives the terrorists further reasons to attack. Bush being in office threatens the US in more reasons than one now.

Voting for Bush because you think the country is gonna be safer/better is THE stupidest resons to vote for Bush.



Ok so if someone came to your house and killed your parents, are you just going to let them?


Bin Laden is an EXTREMLY smart man. He is trying to say whatever he can in these tapes to scare people to vote for Kerry. Hmmm wonder why? And the sad thing is, it is working.

Doesnt it say a lot that he has to express his opinion through a tape and not a bomb?

Bin laden isn't terribly smart. He knows how to manipulate, which doesn't take much to do. I don't think he can evade us, I just dont' think that we have been looking for him. Under George Bush, we as americans don't know what is truth or not. Under kerry there is less likely to be a draft, because he wants to stop war, and bring troops home. THe only reason, dayna, that those troops won't sign up if kerry gets elected is because they know they wont' be fighting, they will be stationed, and do pretty much nothing. THeir just looking for action.

Ok so if someone came to your house and killed your parents, are you just going to let them?


Bin Laden is an EXTREMLY smart man. He is trying to say whatever he can in these tapes to scare people to vote for Kerry. Hmmm wonder why? And the sad thing is, it is working.
If someone came to my home and killed my parents, then I would persue those people. I wouldn't invade the town, destroy their foundation, exploit their resources, kill the townfolk along with the people I sent for this task.
Although Bin Laden cannot be trusted, he based his attacks on an earlier event. He mentions specifaclly the invasion of lebannon by the Israeli-American forces. He says that watching the footage of destroyed towers, he wanted vengeance for it. That's up to you to decide if you believe that or not.
Now the extremists use the saying "an eye for an eye", and this can go back way back when. So instead of getting revenge for what the terrorists are doing by commiting his own, Bush should look for means of ending violence. I don't think he understands that you cannot wipe away terrorism with violence because it will just enrage them more. I'm not suggesting giving into their demands either, because essentially, they are criminals that should be brought to justice.
Now for those who are gonna ask me what Bush should do to bring world peace, STFU before you even say anything. First off, world peace is an international effort and not one man can do it. Second, if I knew, Bush would be the last person I'd tell because he'd probably find some way to fuck that up anyways.

Actually I was talking to someone at work about how "Rbraczyk" still thinks there is going to be a draft...

She told me that there is a big group of guys that are up to re-sign for the military but they are waiting to see who gets in office. If Kerry gets in, they are not going to sign back up. So if Kerry thinks he is going to continue this war, many of the soldiers now aren't going to want to fight for him so there is your draft.

Such loyalty to their flag!

I doubt if any kind of nation needs chickenshit mercenaries like that.If you believe in your country,you fight ffor it.If you don't believe, you dont.Now either the war in Iraq is a real and genuine act of self defence,or it is not.The very suggestion that these men will decide whether or not to fight based on who gets into the White House would indicate that they don't see the war as an exercise in defending their own country.

If kerry gets into office, we will stop fighting pointless wars, and actually doing something constructive as a nation. Trust me, based on the debates who do you want talking with Kim Jong Il?

Trust you? :rofl: Once you can get a few facts straight your thoughts might warrent some consideration.













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All politicians are bullshitters besides Huey Long.

If kerry gets into office, we will stop fighting pointless wars, and actually doing something constructive as a nation. Trust me, based on the debates who do you want talking with Kim Jong Il?

Your naivety and idealism is refreshing but misplaced. With the state of world affairs as they are today, the outbreak of peace is an impossible ideal.However,I remain firmly convinced that George W Bush is part of the problem,rather than the solution.Invading other nations under a pack of lies and misjudgements is not self defence and never has been.Senator Kerry might not be the greatest President of this century, but whatever happens, he cannot be the worst,either.

The problem is that both candidates are a danger. What these people say and then do when they have power of a country, is shocking.

Doesnt this Iraq saga remind you people of "starship troopers" the way war is being flaunted. I find it comical yet saddening in its similarities...

Bush is a shithead. Trust me, your son and family will be safer if they aren't there, because all bush is going to do when he finishes is going to push onto Iran and N. Korea. Believe me, I'm 17. Im nervous as hell, and I just dont' trust bush, because he isn't running the cabinet, Cheney is.

I feel for you, you have a right to be nervous. I remember back when I was around your age being nervous about my chances of being sent to Viet Nam. And now years later I am nervous, nervous about my own son's chances of being in a military involvement in the future. War is not a pretty thing, I cannot tell you about it from personal experience since I have never been in a war, I was never ordered into battle when I wore the uniform of a United States soldier. But I have numerous relatives that have been involved in war and from what I have gleaned from them war is a nasty gut-wrenching experience to go through that you have to live with for the rest of your life.

As far as the election goes, I wanted to vote against Bush but in my humble opinion, Kerry just does not have what it takes to be our Commander-in-Chief. I am nervous about what will happen with Kerry at the helm. I have researched his voting record as a United States Senator and formed my opinion of Kerry's fitness as president from that.
I agree with fellow Democrat and former Mayor of New York City, Rudolph Giuliani's assesment of Kerry's fitness. Read for yourself at Full text: Rudolph Giuliani's speech (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3613480.stm)

I have been voting for the person that I felt was the best candidate since the 1970's, and my vote in this election goes to George W. Bush.

Bin Laden is an EXTREMLY smart man. He is trying to say whatever he can in these tapes to scare people to vote for Kerry. Hmmm wonder why? And the sad thing is, it is working.

I completely disagree with this conclusion.
Undecided American votors are more likely to vote for the proven agressive blow-em-up candidate (Bush) when faced with such threats.

In times of uncertainty, people don't like change. Furthermore, Bush, for all his faults is perceived to be more willing to do whatever it takes to defeat terrorism.

IMHO the Republicans are jumping for joy that this tape came out at this time.

Rudolph Giuliani is G.W.'s personal bitch. Hes been on that guys nuts the whole entire time. I'm telling you its really annoying.

Well the tape can be a good thing and bad thing for both candidates.
On the plus side for monkey-boy, it is known that the people will rally around the current president in times of security issues. Especially since his administration kind of started the international war on terrorism and that seems to be his centerpeiece of his campaign.
On the other hand, you see the man that Bush vowed to bring to justice and failed to do so.

I see it like this: people who really do research on this and are more informed about the current issues, they would see this tape as a bad thing. The others who just eat the bullshit the news feeds them will most likely be lineant towards Bush come voting time.

On the plus side for monkey-boy,



Where you talkin to me? :confused:

Where you talkin to me? :confused:
He meant George Bush

Well the tape can be a good thing and bad thing for both candidates.
On the plus side for monkey-boy, it is known that the people will rally around the current president in times of security issues. Especially since his administration kind of started the international war on terrorism and that seems to be his centerpeiece of his campaign.
On the other hand, you see the man that Bush vowed to bring to justice and failed to do so.

I see it like this: people who really do research on this and are more informed about the current issues, they would see this tape as a bad thing. The others who just eat the bullshit the news feeds them will most likely be lineant towards Bush come voting time.
Good analysis. I agree with you.
However, I think it will help Bush much more because most thoughtful votors who would do the research have already made up their minds.
The undecided are more likely to be quite superficial and impulsive in their decision and will more likely go for Bush

Oh ok i was about to cry ;)

Actually I was talking to someone at work about how "Rbraczyk" still thinks there is going to be a draft...

She told me that there is a big group of guys that are up to re-sign for the military but they are waiting to see who gets in office. If Kerry gets in, they are not going to sign back up. So if Kerry thinks he is going to continue this war, many of the soldiers now aren't going to want to fight for him so there is your draft.

Carter caused the same reluctance to re-enlist. Once he was gone, things improved greatly. Kerry would cause a mass-exodus of experienced soldiers. Our soldiers do not join up to lose.

Carter caused the same reluctance to re-enlist. Once he was gone, things improved greatly. Kerry would cause a mass-exodus of experienced soldiers. Our soldiers do not join up to lose.
Nonsense......Vietnam caused the Carter era reluctance to enlist.

Also, soldiers do not join up to die, either. The 1100+ troops killed so far in Iraq alone is unprecidented in recent times, thanks to Bush policies.

Furthermore, wouldn't troops be supremely demoralised to be in combat based on a massive lie? (WMD's?)

[QUOTE=MagicRat]Nonsense......Vietnam caused the Carter era reluctance to enlist.

Nonsense? Were you there? Were you in the American army at the time?

It would have been nice if Bush had waited until Bin Laden was captured or dead before deciding to invade Iraq under false pretenses. It's almost a certainty that the failure to take him out will come back and bite our country, and probably others, squarely in the ass.
Simply put, Bush has not been successful at all as a president. The war in Afghanistan wasn't a complete victory because Bin Laden was able to get away, and the current one is an utter mess. With all the billions that are being spent, our soldiers don't even have the proper equipment to deal with everything they face. How anyone can justify sending our troops into a war zone without the nescessary equipment, such as body armor, ammunition, radio equipment, night vision goggles etc., and expecting the troops themselves to figure out how to get around it, is fucked up. Why should a soldier have to go out and buy their own equipment?
Kerry certainly isn't the best candidate to oppose Bush, but at least he isn't the war monger that Bush/Cheney and company are, and almost certainly can't do any worse than Bush has to this point. And Kerry certainly wouldn't be so quick to jump into war, considering he fought in one himself. Whether he deserved all the medals he got is irrelevant. He fought in a war, while Bush had the luxury of staying stateside becuase his daddy pulled some strings.

[QUOTE=MagicRat]Nonsense......Vietnam caused the Carter era reluctance to enlist.

Nonsense? Were you there? Were you in the American army at the time?
I was an intellegent well educated young adult at that time who knew which way the goddamn wind was blowing because I read the newspapers and newsmagazines of the day.
You don't have to be on Mars to know what its like there and you don't have to be in the army to know your statement was nonsense!

[QUOTE=MagicRat]Nonsense......Vietnam caused the Carter era reluctance to enlist.

Nonsense? Were you there? Were you in the American army at the time?

my uncle was in the marine during vietnam war, and he told me about how the soldiers were brain washed about the war. they were told how good the war was, to give them a reason to fight. most of them had no idea what was going on.

There is no draft and no plans for a draft :disappoin But, I'm sure you can follow the cowards running to Canada.

umm didn't Canada, like a lot of countries, go to Afghanistan? perhaps thats because that really was the war against terrorism? Nobody doubted it, and nobody needed to lie to get them there. Most countries didn't want to go to Iraq because the reasons to go were not solid. No evidence has been given on it, and if anything it seems to have created larger divisions, more hatred, and if anything diverted the war on terrorism. I mean shouldn't Osama have been caught before forgetting about him to catch Sadam? And if all those guys got found in Iraq, why no Osama?

next. If you're implying that the few years that guy needs is going to help him understand then how do you explain your age to understanding ratio Yogs? You don't even seem capable of comprehending that there were no WMD after you were told by all the guys that lied about it in the first place.

umm didn't Canada, like a lot of countries, go to Afghanistan? perhaps thats because that really was the war against terrorism? Nobody doubted it, and nobody needed to lie to get them there. Most countries didn't want to go to Iraq because the reasons to go were not solid. No evidence has been given on it, and if anything it seems to have created larger divisions, more hatred, and if anything diverted the war on terrorism. I mean shouldn't Osama have been caught before forgetting about him to catch Sadam? And if all those guys got found in Iraq, why no Osama?

next. If you're implying that the few years that guy needs is going to help him understand then how do you explain your age to understanding ratio Yogs? You don't even seem capable of comprehending that there were no WMD after you were told by all the guys that lied about it in the first place.

And its a swing and a miss!!

My comment was related to the draft BS being perpetrated by one of the posters in this thread. It was not an indictment that Canadians are cowards.

You are also incorrect. There were WMDs. The question is what happened to them - not if they ever existed.













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hahaha prove THAT... cause Georgie couldn't.

georgie porgie likes to lie
sent his boys away to spy
when the truth came out to play
georgie porgie ran away!

my uncle was in the marine during vietnam war, and he told me about how the soldiers were brain washed about the war. they were told how good the war was, to give them a reason to fight. most of them had no idea what was going on.

yea, my dad says much the same thing. That it did not take long for him and his buddies to figure out they are fighting to the rubber plantions in South Vietnam and all the compaines making a mint off the war.

I dont think so. Stick to CNN and all the media bullshit.

Try reading the UN reports Saddamn admits to WMD, the UN admits missing WMD.

hahaha prove THAT... cause Georgie couldn't.

So you're saying that Saddam never had WMD? He never used them on the Kurds or the Iranians? Or, do you only listen to sound bites?













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Try reading the UN reports Saddamn admits to WMD, the UN admits missing WMD.


WHAT THE HELL? I DIDN'T SAY THAT OR POST IT? Whos been messing with my postings? :confused:

So you're saying that Saddam never had WMD? He never used them on the Kurds or the Iranians? Or, do you only listen to sound bites?


Again you're just looking at one point of view. Saddam was only "bluffing" which is a mistake. Then the UN gave out the report that Iraq has NO WMD right before the war. Bush didn't listen? Thanks to that jerk many innocent ppl die in his hands. Yeh if freedom is death then hes giving what he promised them. Thanks Bush for helping my ppl....keep up the good fucking job asshole.

Those Kurds are terrorist groups like the PKK. Those innocent kurds that been killed which supposedly "chemical Ali" was responsible actually had nothing to do with it.Iraq didn't have that kind of weapon. The Iranians had it not the Iraqis. Saddam is goin to prove the world during his trial. Hes not that bad as everyone think he is. Media just gave him that bad image. If he was such a bad person....my family would've left Iraq a long time ago.

again yogs you're displaying your rudimentry innability to do math.

the US gives them some poison gas. some poison gas gets used. it's not missing, it's been used, and would be VERY difficult to get regather from the atmosphere for weapons inspectors years later.

what is it with you people. you follow blindly to war on a lie, and when the people your following and turn round and admit it was a lie, even if they "didn't know cause it was bad intelligence" you can't even aknowlege that part.

not to mention if WMD was an issue why were the nuclear sites not secured? duuuuhhh ummm maa...

again yogs you're displaying your rudimentry innability to do math.

the US gives them some poison gas. some poison gas gets used. it's not missing, it's been used, and would be VERY difficult to get regather from the atmosphere for weapons inspectors years later.

Actually it was more like this. US gives Iraq poison gas. Iraq makes more poison gas and continues producing it even after the Iran-Iraq war in which it was intended to be used. Iraq uses some of it to gas Kurds. Iraq still has some gas. You're right it would be hard to recollect the gas, but considering they produced many tons of it and it doesnt take too much to kill a person, they had a bunch left over afterwards.

Then the US says BAD Sadam... you are developing weapons of mass destruction... only bad countries do that... now bend over so we can spank you!

What gets to me is how many WMDs the US has... Why hasn't anyone invaded us? Oh yea we won the cold war, maybe we should invade Russia and all it's old teritories to secure all of their WMDs. There are such better places than Iraq for "terrorists" to get nukes and even everyday RPGs and kalashnikoves, where they were developed!

undisputedly. there are also places that have more terrorist ties. but what do/don't these places have? what makes them safe from US invasion?

/\ they don't have any natural resources to exploit and they aren't of arab background :lol:

Iraq uses some of it to gas Kurds. Iraq still has some gas.



Ok since you sound like an "expert" why dont you tell me where you get your resources from?