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lencho800
10-27-2004, 04:46 PM
Hey i want to know if there is any way to swich my engine with something more...POWERFUL and what would fit give me suggestions no matter how crazy i need to keep this car but i need it to go FAST.any ideas would help. Maybe a newer model escort engine or some how a japanese honda engine.:) Oh yea i have a 1988 GT

Snow93
10-27-2004, 04:57 PM
if it were me and i had the money id shove a v-8 4.0(gas or diesel) DOHC 32v, hemisperic ground heads with aluminum block and silicon sleeves.. but thats probly goin a bit to far

zx2srdotnet
10-27-2004, 09:10 PM
mazda bpt motor :)

SCJ428
10-28-2004, 03:52 AM
I'm gonna buy a 1977-97 4 door.... put in a toyota 5s motor (2.2 inline 4, out of a recent camry). I cant be effed hooking up the computers so i'm going to get an SU or a 45mm webber and stick it on the inlet manifold where the TB is meant to go.
After that i'm gonna throw some money at it and get some sport cams, and an exhaust.. maybe even a proper carbie manifold... i want about 120kw at the fly.
Unfortunately thats a long way off.
But it should be sick considering the stock RS2000 of the same year was only 70kw at the fly >:D

Burn rubber dudes.

jeffescortlx
10-28-2004, 06:53 PM
mazda bpt motor :)
He has a first gen, a 1988. A bpt swap would be a nightmare.

UnexplodedCow
10-29-2004, 01:12 PM
Either get a custom turbo for it, or up the compression ratio. The oil pump has a secondary output, so a turbo shouldn't be any problem. Oh, you can also put on a 1990 head. It takes roller lifters, which won't give you much more horse or torque, but will liven up response time a little. Maybe rebuild the engine and blueprint the thing.....add low friction rings. Turbo's probably your best bet for instant power.

91 Celica Boi
11-15-2004, 04:18 AM
what kind of engine can i fit into a 1995 lx hatch

zx2srdotnet
11-15-2004, 11:08 AM
mazda bpt lol

Kidd Ricky
11-15-2004, 04:48 PM
^Your talking bout the engine on Corksport.com that produces 210hp correct?

zx2srdotnet
11-15-2004, 09:13 PM
i dont know wher you get it. all i know is its a turbo mazda

Kidd Ricky
11-16-2004, 07:57 AM
yea its on www.corksport.com (http://www.corksport.com) just click on J-spec engines then scroll down to the one that says 210HP

bluemister2
11-16-2004, 10:43 PM
2.5 klze v6 200 hp
or the new ztec motor. you can put any motor into anything its the work that sucks ass. Bill Strong Avid mr2 enthusiast i mean avid enthusiast and hes got a northstar v8 in his first gen mr2.

JoeStangV604
11-17-2004, 01:25 AM
Just get new car dude. But if you want to swap an engine think about this, 5.0 V8. The old escorts and old mustangs look a lot alike and i am sure you could jam a 5.0 in there. Then i'd get it blown with the blower sticking out of the hood. Also i'd take the old escort emblems off and get custom made ones that say ESCORT V8 5.0 HO and put a big SVT sticker on the back. Would be funny and people wouldnt take you seriously until you blew the doors off of a lot of cars.

Jet-Lee
11-17-2004, 10:43 AM
one problem...Mustangs are RWD and Escorts are FWD...

Try finding a 1990 Mazda 323 GTX-Turbo engine. I've been told, by several, that it's simply, pull & drop....everything, engine, tranny, wiring, it all just drops right in....

Kidd Ricky
11-17-2004, 03:00 PM
^whats the HP?

jeffescortlx
11-17-2004, 03:51 PM
Try finding a 1990 Mazda 323 GTX-Turbo engine. I've been told, by several, that it's simply, pull & drop....everything, engine, tranny, wiring, it all just drops right in....
It might be a plug and play, but no one does that swap because the US spec GTX is only a 130hp 1.6, while the 1.8 J spec is 180-210hp GTX/GTR.
It would'nt pay to swap in the 130hp 1.6 when you could just use the regular 1.8 Escort GT motor with 127hp.

zx2srdotnet
11-17-2004, 05:13 PM
who cares its AWD lol

Jet-Lee
11-18-2004, 10:17 AM
It might be a plug and play, but no one does that swap because the US spec GTX is only a 130hp 1.6, while the 1.8 J spec is 180-210hp GTX/GTR.
It would'nt pay to swap in the 130hp 1.6 when you could just use the regular 1.8 Escort GT motor with 127hp.

I have my choice between the two, $250 for either....But I understood that the 1990 made about 180hp, 'tis got a turbo bolted up.

Hoopty Racer
11-18-2004, 07:51 PM
The Easyest Way Is To Find A Ford Tempo With A 2.3L In It It Will Swap Straight Across.Now If You Want To Get Radical With It E-Mail Me At [email protected] & I'll Tell You What We Did To The One We Race At I-70 Speedway.It Went From A Dog To A Tire Burner In 4hrs.

Hoopty Racer
11-18-2004, 08:05 PM
Going Fast Is One Thing But Do It The Safe Way Cars Can Be Replaced, Lives Cant!If I'm Going To Race I Do It At The Track Where Its Safer For Everyone.I Race At I-70 Speedway For A Hobby Not To Show Off & Get Someone Hurt Or Worse.

jeffescortlx
11-18-2004, 09:03 PM
The Easyest Way Is To Find A Ford Tempo With A 2.3L In It It Will Swap Straight Across.Now If You Want To Get Radical With It E-Mail Me At [email protected] & I'll Tell You What We Did To The One We Race At I-70 Speedway.It Went From A Dog To A Tire Burner In 4hrs.
Yeah, the engine bay of the tempo is the same as the 1G escort. But the Tempo 2.3 is a insanly old design, it's not even a cross flow head, and it uses push rod's! I have actully heard of ppl swapping out the tempo 2.3 for a Esocrt 1.9 HO (Escort motor's are easy to turbo). I'd have to say that the Tempo 2.3 is the least desirable plate form to start with. If I had a 1G escort, I'd rather drop in the 3.0 V6, same engine bay also, or a 1.9 HO.

Hoopty Racer
11-19-2004, 10:26 PM
Yeah, the engine bay of the tempo is the same as the 1G escort. But the Tempo 2.3 is a insanly old design, it's not even a cross flow head, and it uses push rod's! I have actully heard of ppl swapping out the tempo 2.3 for a Esocrt 1.9 HO (Escort motor's are easy to turbo). I'd have to say that the Tempo 2.3 is the least desirable plate form to start with. If I had a 1G escort, I'd rather drop in the 3.0 V6, same engine bay also, or a 1.9 HO.Mabey So But Im Still Running Low 7s In The 1/4 Mile With It Could Do Better If It Didn't Burn The Tires So Easy.Goodyear 60s On 14" Rims Just Melt On Launch.Any Ideas?

jeffescortlx
11-20-2004, 12:05 PM
Mabey So But Im Still Running Low 7s In The 1/4 Mile With It Could Do Better If It Didn't Burn The Tires So Easy.Goodyear 60s On 14" Rims Just Melt On Launch.Any Ideas?
Your running 7's in the 1/4 mile with a FWD Escort with a Tempo 2.3 motor? Yeah sure, well I'm running 3's in the 1/4 mile with my escort, see I just took like six of those tornado intake thing's and stacked them front to back in the intake tube and make like 900hp.

zx2srdotnet
11-20-2004, 02:30 PM
ive seen a 3.0l SHO motor in a topaz :) that thing moved lol

jeffescortlx
11-20-2004, 04:28 PM
ive seen a 3.0l SHO motor in a topaz :) that thing moved lol
Me to, that's a sweet swap. I'd like to see a SHO in a 1G Escort, it should'nt take to much work.

Hoopty Racer
11-20-2004, 05:15 PM
Your running 7's in the 1/4 mile with a FWD Escort with a Tempo 2.3 motor? Yeah sure, well I'm running 3's in the 1/4 mile with my escort, see I just took like six of those tornado intake thing's and stacked them front to back in the intake tube and make like 900hp.I Guess I Forgot To Tell You That Its Been Worked,Bored Ballanced,Blueprinted,Camed,Carbed For NitroMethane,(Experamental)Just A Few Other Little Goodies,But We Wont Bother You With The Boreing Details Of That.

jeffescortlx
11-21-2004, 02:17 PM
I Guess I Forgot To Tell You That Its Been Worked,Bored Ballanced,Blueprinted,Camed,Carbed For NitroMethane,(Experamental)Just A Few Other Little Goodies,But We Wont Bother You With The Boreing Details Of That.
Being that you have one of the worlds fastest FWD inline 4, why dont you give us a link to you web page, with dyno sheet's and time slips.

That's pretty impressive you got around 1000whp from your tempo motor, But I'm sure I dont have to tell you it requires that kind of power to get a 2300lb car into the 7's in the 1/4 mile.

Escort_Service
11-21-2004, 03:22 PM
A windsor 302 will fit in an Escort with little adjustments to the mounts. However a rear wheel drive conversion may be tough. If your looking for a engine that will fit easy take a look at http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/fourcyl.asp its fords 4 cyl carate engines page.

MrWOT
11-21-2004, 05:43 PM
Mabey So But Im Still Running Low 7s In The 1/4 Mile With It Could Do Better If It Didn't Burn The Tires So Easy.Goodyear 60s On 14" Rims Just Melt On Launch.Any Ideas?


I've got an idea, sell whatever it is you're smoking, it seems to be powerful enough that you should be able to get enough money to actually do some of those things, cept the nitro of course. :lol: Buy a dictionary while you're at it too :rolleyes:


Jeff:

As to the SHO swap, I don't think you'd want to. The motor itself is a wonderous thing, but unless you converted to RWD you would still be stuck with the same transaxle as in the taurus. Which is terrible, and quite fragile. I used to have a 91' SHO and threw the differential pins on it two seperate occasions after 10 second burnouts :screwy: . It you get the quaife LSD it's not so bad, but the gearing is still for beans as well. I think quaife actually sells gear sets as well, but they are insanely expensive.

I think a better choice for a swap would be the 3.0 V6 duratec from the SVT contour. That's got pretty good power (~200hp) and the transmission is rock solid. People have a good amount of upgrades for it as well, and it should fit just fine :smile: Might even be enough room left over for a turbo or centrifugal supercharger :biggrin:

Escort_Service
11-21-2004, 08:52 PM
why dont you see if you can get a "cossie" set-up from the U.K. In town here we have a motor import shop and thats all they do. I was looking my self and found a turbo set-up for 3500. CDN

barretire
11-23-2004, 10:18 AM
Ford racing has some motors if you have the money

91 Celica Boi
11-25-2004, 05:26 AM
do they make turbo for a 1995 LX?

zx2srdotnet
11-25-2004, 01:03 PM
ford racing doesnt have any motors that just bolt up to a escort sedan

zx2srdotnet
11-25-2004, 01:06 PM
A windsor 302 will fit in an Escort with little adjustments to the mounts. However a rear wheel drive conversion may be tough. If your looking for a engine that will fit easy take a look at http://www.fordracingparts.com/crateengine/fourcyl.asp its fords 4 cyl carate engines page.

NONE of those will fit easy, those are the 2.0 Zetec for the Focus, the 2.3L for the Focus, 2.0l Zetec for the SVTfocus and the Rangers i4.

how about if you dont know what you are talking about you just sit and watch?

Escort_Service
11-25-2004, 04:07 PM
Engine swaps are not easy at all no matter what your doing. And I'm sorry to say that I will sit and watch because I have a M-6007-SV20 to swap it the 94 GT body bought from the scrap yard and restored by my own hands.

Instead of sitting on your duff all day why don't you try to do something with your "all mighty knowledge". Put down your manual and quit giving tech tips to people who think your smart.

zx2srdotnet
11-25-2004, 09:47 PM
Engine swaps are not easy at all no matter what your doing. And I'm sorry to say that I will sit and watch because I have a M-6007-SV20 to swap it the 94 GT body bought from the scrap yard and restored by my own hands.

Instead of sitting on your duff all day why don't you try to do something with your "all mighty knowledge". Put down your manual and quit giving tech tips to people who think your smart.

the simple fact that you paid 4k for that motor shows your an idiot. ZX2 zetec the ZX2/3 zetec will tak emore boost in stock form cuz of lower compression, the tranny's are cheaper to get, and for the difference in price of a ZX2 vs svt motor and tranny you can have a header, udp, intake, exaust cams and camgears.

and a zx2 motor has already been put into a older escort, its not had since the ZX2 Zetec was originaly ment to fit in a 97+sedan ( it was originaly listed as an option but cut).

and why would i swap a SVT motor into ANYTHING? its worthless. It only make 5 more tq cank then I do stock and only 27more hp crank

Escort_Service
11-29-2004, 07:48 PM
First who said that I paid for the motor and the car. Who ever said anything about being able to add boost? Do you even know why I am swaping an SVT into the GT?

Let me answer that for you, NO.

zx2srdotnet
11-29-2004, 10:33 PM
because you like to wast money/time?

jeffescortlx
11-30-2004, 05:19 PM
Here's my 2 cents, if any one care's. lol

If you want a Zetec power plant in your 91-96 Escort, and want to do it the easyest and most cost effective way that will give the most power in the long run, get a regular Zx2 Zetec. They have a slightly better head then the Focus Zetec, can be had for dirt cheap, and the mild C/R makes it a bit easyer to make power with boost.

The Zetec SVT motor is over rated in my eye's cost's way to much, and wont fit the Escort mount's, so it will require even more money just for it to bolt in. A regular Zetec turbo'd will produce more power and touq then a built N/A SVT Zetec. So why pay more and spend more fabracating time for less power?

Just for exsample, I picked up a 98 Zx2 Zetec with only 30k for about $250, I could have it bolted up and running in no time. And for about 2 grand it could be very nicely turbo'd.

Escort_Service
11-30-2004, 05:46 PM
For the last time the turbo is not going to happen. The cars is for a group 2 rally racing. Witch is for naturally aspirated vehicles and few restrictions on performance. I picked the SVT because it gets 40 more hp and 18 more ft./lbs.
If you even bothered to look at both engines you would see that the SVT has a 7300 red line and a six speed trany.

Oh and in your own words "how about if you dont know what you are talking about you just sit and watch?"

zx2srdotnet
11-30-2004, 06:40 PM
and the 6spd is know as a shit tranny, if the more power and tranny is so great then explain why a 143hp 140tq 5spd S/R will bull .91g on a skidpad and have a higher exit speed then a c5 vette. Ad a 21mm rear swaybar and a strutbar and you even better off while a SVTfocus can only pull .87? I'f the drivetrain in a SVTf is so great then y is a minorly moded Zx2 handng it its ass.

its not even worth the time to swap into a zx2 and thats designed to hold a zetec. free of not you can get a zx2 motor and just po;d it in and keep its better gearing. SVT guys are trying to get closer to the better final drive of the zx2(4.10) but they can only fit the 4.06.

Escort_Service
11-30-2004, 07:02 PM
Wow! I bet it took you quite a long time to type all that and no time at all to read it over. If your going to message back make sure people can read it.
Why are you telling me all about the Focus? I don't own a Focus and dont really care about skid pads, this car is for rally racing. Nor do I really care about swaping a SVT into a ZX2. I'm putting it into a 94 GT.

Get your head out of your tail pipe and pay attention!

zx2srdotnet
11-30-2004, 08:08 PM
there are quite a few really zx2's also

Jet-Lee
12-01-2004, 08:47 AM
This is a fuckin "My dick is bigger than yours" conversation. My God. If you think your right, then go ahead and think it, I'm gettin sick of seein this same damned thread at the top all the time cause you two are bickering at each other. Give it a fucking rest!

Escort_Service
12-01-2004, 03:09 PM
I dont care about ZX2. The striped down frame comparied to the GT was 150 lbs. more then the GT. The aerodymamics on the ZX2 are not build for taking corners they are build for driving fast in a stright line. The body is way too bulky and heavy. The engine is better and the tranny has a final drive ratio of 3.1 to 1. Just to let you know thats better then a 4.1.

You may know your ZX2 but stick to it. Don't talk about what you dont know.

jeffescortlx
12-01-2004, 05:51 PM
OK. Just so it's clear, my dick is bigger then every one's. lol

Escort_Service
12-01-2004, 07:05 PM
I think you've have been watching too much of the Smile'n Bob in the Enzite 50 car commercials.

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