Accursed EVOs

There are 2 kids in my town that play Initial D constantly. Way more than I could afford to or care to play. I play casually with my friends in my car club ( www.louisvillestreets.com ). I have a Sil-Eighty with 65k points. These two kids with EVOs came in and destroyed my entire group of friends. I got with in 30m's of beating the guy with the 120k point EVO 4 on Shomaru. So I have three questions.
1. Where is the Sil-Eighty strongest?
2. Are certain cars in Inital D just much better than others?
3. Are EVOs only for losers that can't really drive and have to use automatic transmissions?

1. The Sileighty is the God Car of Usui, and it's also pretty stout on Akina. The Evo is horribly weak on Akina, so that's your best bet.

2. Not really. Every car has its own strengths and weaknesses. Find your own personal strengths and weaknesses, and then pick a car with which you can exploit them to your advantage.

3. Well, they sound pretty noobish to me, but the Evo is hardly a noob car. Three of the Evos hold a world record on at least one track, so it's a popular car with just about everyone. I'm an STi man myself, but I do use the Evo 4 for Irohazaka.

1.) Sil80 really isn't god of Usui anymore... since the 180sx, RX-8, and S13 are all pretty close (plus have a faster-start than the Sil80 for battle)

2.) Cars DO make a difference... In time attack a home course car and a underpowered car will never clash in "close times" the difference is useually in seconds. Let's take battle, start-up can make the difference of a win or loss, cars that are six-gears versus a five-gear car are dealt a huge disadvantage since the battle has changed (blocked view (making for more screw ups) and its harder to pass in version 3 since speeds are slower) If you suck but can block well, most people get a six-gear car, and you can still win by blocking the apex and blocking on the straights.

3.) At least they aren't using the RX-8.

did they beat you off the line and was boost on?

1. I'm not

2. getting into

3. this argument again.

Just ignore him. At your level of play, blocking and passing are the least of your worries.

Okay let me clarify this for you.

1.yes usui and akina are going to be your best bets. however your car is only a contender its not a beast on its home court any more.

2.In ver 3 good drivers are unfortunitly close in times to bad drivers. Some of the higher cars do have home course advantages such as and 86 is the strongest on akina. A loose car such as a sil-80 will just suck on shomaru, its a cheap course anyway. Just buy a stock Skyline and block the whole way because there isnt much of a way to pass even if your faster. courses like that are supposed to be endurance not who crosses the line first. Evos have a little more advantage on the more curvy and uphill courses. They dominate in rain and snow. there is a cheapness inherient in this game and well theres no getting around it. Blocking is also just plain cheap. if thats all you can do to win then stop racing. Its okay to cover a mistake and keep the lead but dont think that if you block and make the other driver screw up and you end up winning that your good. youll be about as good as the driver of the eg6 when he tried to kill tak.

3.if these guys are using automatics then you should be able to be better. you just need practice. and no offense but you dont have a good all round car so you going to have to stay on courses you can do well. but since you cant play more just try to enjoy the shear experience of racing in initial d.

I will not race Usui, that course is so cheap, even winning on that course will feel like a loss, the course has to challenge me, not just the other driver. So it looks like Akina for me. I did pretty well on Shomaru, I just think I got the guy on an unfamiliar course. Also, I don't block, I hate that when people block it just automatically forces you back, and I definetly don't block. Those EVO drivers did, I managed to pass them a few times on the outside, because all they can do is grip, and I can actually drift.
After we were all out of quarters my friend who actually owns an AE86(an SR5 Coupe, nothing to get excited about) and my other buddy with a RWD Celica asked them if they wanted to go drifting for real. I thought it was quite funny. We were just all pissed because we all Autocross and can actually drive real cars at race speeds, and we got beat by some punk kids. I'll go back, one of them had an FD he never ran, I may challenge him to a FR challenge, then he won't have his stupid AWD to back him up.

Just ignore kman, he chooses to think that skill actually matters in battle or that cars have no influence on anything what-so-ever.

If you don't block, you'll lose in most cases... that's the only advantage some cars get *COUGHROADSTERCOUGH*

Evo isn't that good in battle due to lack of the start, only stage where it can really out-shine the RX-8 is probably snow and Irohazaka but you'll still have to deal with passing, which can be a bitch.

Evo's really don't dominate snow (GDB and R34 have a better chance in battle and their are other cars rated higher than them) don't get me wrong, they are good. Evo's really aren't that good in rain now that I think about it, they own three home course stages (Akagi UH and Irohazaka DH/RV)? Plus they slide a lot compared to the 32 or RX-8.. I think they own three home course stages. I say the order of conditions for Evo's is definitely Dry>Snow>Rain.

I might have to try the rain, I couldn't use the full accleration of the SilEighty in Akina Snow because it wouldn't hook up, but the rain is where I'm best. I can just lift off the throttle for oversteer, instead of brakeing drift.

Just ignore kman, he chooses to think that skill actually matters in battle or that cars have no influence on anything what-so-ever.

No way, skill doesnt matter?......you have to be _______kidding me. Where would anyone get the stupid notion that you need skill to drive. your one of those DC2 drivers from VER 2 arent you. :screwy:

I say the order of conditions for Evo's is definitely Dry>Snow>Rain.

you would say that huh.....i dont know lets see most cars operate best in the dry but there could be some out there that were designed for snow and rain like,oh....i dont know...AN AWD CAR! Lets see if you run down akina in an evo in dry you would be fast. In rain you would be a little slower, and in snow you are very slow because not only is rain slippery but snow is ice with powder or pack snow to drive through.

Dont confuse people.... the beauty of Initial D is that you can have the drift car of your choice and go down some really neat and REAL mountain roads. And become the best in that car. If you just there to buy the cheapest car on the course just to win then yes. You have no skill and need a superior car to compensate for that.

Its a very different skill, my buddies that are faster on the Autocross course than me, are typically much much slower than me on Initial D. I balance the two I think, I'm a pretty decent AutoX'er, and a pretty good Initial D driver. The first time I played Initial D was downhil Akina in the rain, with a stock SilEighty. So I dunno, maybe time to try again?

just play boost on all the way

You took it out of context, DUH. I said IN BATTLE skill is NOT required. Yes i'll say it again, IN BATTLE SKILL ISN'T THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR, AND YOU CAN LOSE IF YOU RUN THE STAGE TEN SECONDS FASTER THAN YOUR OPPONENT. Not to mention, VERSION 3 IS DIFFERENT FROM FUCKING VERSION 2. SHEESH, blocking has changed and speeds have changed... which makes it harder to pass and harder to see (making for MORE screw ups than in version 2.) Fast-start up + blocking of the apex = easy wins in version 3.

Dur, you just made it sound like those cars OWN snow and rain when really they are better in dry. Snow of course, is an AWD stage but like I said before GDB and R34 will easily beat up the Evo's on that stage in battle and the Celica can take it home for time attack. Even six gear-cars are given a chance to win on those stages that AREN'T AWD 'cause if you know how to drive snow you would know that passing at the turns would be VERY hard due to the fact that to take those turns fast/properly you HAVE to take the inside and passing on the straights should be a no-no if the person in front of you has half a brain.

Drift in ID? You gotta be kidding... Not to mention, you missed my point... SKILLS are NOT the most important thing for battle and when it comes to time attack home course cars opposed to an underpowered car makes for differences, in seconds.

Just ignore kman, he chooses to think that skill actually matters in battle or that cars have no influence on anything what-so-ever.

That's fine, I have a battle level of 19 and good times to back my shit up, all you have is your idealistic logic that has no place in a real battle. It's my word versus yours, at least my word actually carries some weight.

Duluth, K-man, I've warned you two before about bickering in threads. Can it before vacation time.

Kman, I have a 535,000 point FC and I still get to watch 300,000 point R32's and Evo IV's walk away from me on the long straight at Tsuchisaka. The car makes a huge difference in Version 3, to the point where the game has lost its appeal to me because I invested so much money into my red d option FC and it's been rendered unfairly uncompetitive.

Duluth, the game still needs for you to be good at memorizing braking points, adjusting steering input, reading lines, and so forth. Occasionally, two equal cars will meet up and it will come down to the driver who can figure out where his opponent is weakest to catch him up and pass. I've passed equal cars at Shomaru by hanging back a little to clear my nose and then charging back in around the outside after my opponent has picked and set his line.

Skill and car are both factors. Maybe not as much equally as we'd like, but still both factors. So can the bickering.

kman really didn't get into this one, it was more sixthgeargod.

just wanted to clarify what my opinion was, i'm not saying that a total noob could get a car with a fast start-up and block the whole way, what i am saying is that aren't those basic things of initial-d? taking a basic out-in-out line? learning the course (which really isn't a skill based thing, deals more with memory), blocking, etc..

i'd actually like a conversation on this rather than people shouting out noob or resorting to posting up times...

one last thing, layla, i'll delete this if its deemed unacceptable so please don't take this as disobeying your instructions.

Just as in real life there are time skills such as auto cross and there are battle skills. My friend runs in an FD when we run on akina he cannot touch my times. But when we race the factor of another car trying to pass or get around you changes things very quickly. I am not very good in battle and if my friend gets infront of me he tends to mess me up because when an FD takes the line it tends to take up more space in the turn than an 86 becuase it is a grip car in the game.however i know of someone who runs a 3.6 time in a AE86(fully tunned)and i raced him on akina in a STOCK 86. he is not as good at times but is better at battles, but i handed him is @$$ on that run and he did not mess up that much. So explain that if you can. other than SKILL MATTERS, NO MATTER WHAT. and its called respect to cars and drivers on this game. if the other person is going faster they should be able to pass. If your going for the easy win, then your just being cheap. Just like people who choose rain and are in evo's, just to beat on weaker people.(not everyone who has evos does this) And that is kinda dumb because in this game the celica and the Skylines are all AWD. Any moron knows that cars are best in dry but when...... you know what i have a hard time believing that people here dont know what they are doing and dont see you just flaughnting your own ignorance. Im sure you know what your doing by playing an arcade game but you sound like you race with no honor or respect. Cars have a lot to do with stuff but look at layla. An FC is a highly capable car. Its the only rotory to win at le mans. But in this game its true performance and acceleration is hindered. i dont care what initial d says and FC should be able to waste an evo in hairpins. lets not also forget that in initial d ryosuke doesnt really do drifting. He does linegrip and four wheel drifts just like an evo. The FC has the advantage of not wearing all his tires down in the drift and turns. An evo does.

Besides that is what makes initial D so cool. An outdated AE86 Whips up on a bunch of highly modified and superior setup cars and wins. Also the FC of the takahashi brothers. We havent seen if tak really beat him. i dont think he did. or it was a tie.

Layla, by the way my friend is in the same boat as you, he drives the FD. Its his favorite and it kills him that he isnt running higher than alot of other people. He is still better than most and has a high battle level but i understand.

awd cars have an advantage in cornering since they have the grip of all 4 wheels, it isnt really made to drift (well for that matter, no car was designed to drift, but thats a whole nuther discussion). also, the FC was never in le mans, what you are thinking about is the 4 rotor 787B race car (which pwnd le mans and banned 4 rotor engines). Maybe you think that the fc is really that fast, but it isnt (although i do agree its underrated in this game).

Can someone else explain this to me: Why does everyone consider the rx-8 to be such a cheap car? I used it since i thought i'd be a good choice for a downhill racing style game (i made my first card with it last night).

Sorry yeah thats what i meant i think i deleted that part accidentaly. The RX-8 is only considered cheap on i think shomaru. I dont use it but my buddy says that it can turn better on avg then some other cars. Its an acceleration thing. I personally think that the only cheap car in the whole game was the DC2 in VER2. The RX-8 just has some advantages in the begining, but one all is done to the cars it kinda flatens out and becomes fair.

I just can't bring myself to pick an AWD car. I might try an FD, they pull on my SilEighty pretty hard on Legend of the Street mode, but computers make programmed mistakes, so I dunno. The day I pick a AWD car is the day right before I pick a FWD car, because I have truely gone insane. If it comes down to it, I may pick up the R32 GT-R and just grip race and pwn the EVO driving losers.

didn't i say battle and time attack are completly different? i said that if someone gets infront its easier to block due to lower speeds and the person in back useually screws up more, due to lack of view.

i think you got this game backwards you should be taking the same line as the fd (going to the outside) BUT you don't if you take it at a slower speed, which it sounds like your doing. so to remedy this, take the turn faster but like i said, how are you going to pass on the rx-7 that takes the in-line and blocks on the straights?

3'06 isn't a good time even for a stock trueno, let alone a full tuned one. full tune could knock down three seconds, so if he is hitting 3'06 AT full tune, he needs to work some more on akina to be considered basic at it. if he takes the turns slower and doesn't hit one wall, doesn't take the rhod gutter, he should be able to at LEAST get 3'03-4.

well, if you beat him so much on akina, what turn? did he take it outside or inside... did he pass on the straights? was boost on? did he take you off the line, or no? those things are most important to know when saying you beat someone. for example, let's take two equally skilled players, put them in the same car, and have them race... the person who gets the better start-interval (due to the first curve of the track) would be in front (depends on stage) but who would win? the person who gets IN the lead first... unless what? he takes an outer-line and gets passed on the inside. hence blocking up to 10km/h slower than your opponent is pretty easy (since all you have to do is watch your rear view mirror.)

racing with no honor? please, only people who i EVER hear complain about blocking is those who lose because they don't block or because they GET blocked. seriously, its a game and like a majority of others... i play to win and i am not gonna give up my money to someone else and just let them pass. if its so unfair, leave boost on... if sega didn't intend for people to block, they woulda made some sorta negativeity TO blocking or made ghost cars. also i have a question for you... since you consider blocking unfair, that must mean you know what happens when someone blocks the whole way and how much skill that requires, right?

the rx-8 isn't considered cheap due to the fact that others can beat it pretty easily, what cars? the one's with a faster start like the GDB... not to mention it has some tracks where it sucks, mostly akina. but if people do consider it cheap, its probably due to the reasons i listed below.

in version 2 the battle system was different, you had something that held you back from their bumper + the speeds were higher so passing was a LOT easier. people really call the dc2 cheap for no reason.. i mean it faulted in enough stages as the rx-8 (myogi, usui, and akagi wet) and cars were rated better on akagi and akina... my point is, put the rx-8 in version 2 and people would call that car cheap. but then again, nothing prevents others from using the dc2 and it really got a bad name due to all the noobs tuning it up and racing the "regular" players to stages where their car is underpowered.

to get to my point, if version 2 had version 3's battle system/speeds, dc2 wouldn't be considered so cheap. if the rx-8 was in version 2, it'd probably be considered cheap.

Okay the top time in akina for the US is 2.57. I can do it in 3.03. Thats not bad for some one that only plays maybe one night in a month. I have a real project car that im working on. So all said and done im sure i could take you to school in this game. i can get in the top 20 in any area. even so its just a game. if you care to get into any real car and you feel froggy, then hop. ill spank you like a four year old at k-mart. The trueno is not a easy car to drive in this game either. Not like some other cars. i can see you defined blocking to an art. that in itself says enough. Im not going to banter back and forth with you. Its clear you are highly opinionated and cannot conceed to being wrong, and thats okay. The DC2 is cheap because it could hit walls and not get penalized for it like the ther cars due to its turbo. Check on any online forum for Initial d. It was a glitch in the game. The penalizing code would get overidden with the boost one it reached its certain climbing piont on the tach. look anywhere its a fact. Dont take this personally but I dont have anything against you, However if you must continue with your backwards thinking and win at all cost attitude thats your perogative. But dont be surpirsed when other people call you on it and say you are full of it. Or dismiss you as a respectable opponent. ive raced vipers to BMW's and im far from being good, but i know what im doing.

Dear god, did all of you just completely ignore my post or something?

Unless you are not aware, I am the FUCKING MODERATOR in this Initial D forum. I have told you to stop bickering. THAT MEANS STOP BICKERING!

This thread is locked. Duluth, Sixthgeargod, if I catch you two arguing incessantly once more you're both out for two weeks.