Want a JL Audio sub setup

I am currently 16 years old and I will be buying my car from my brother soon as I turn 17 in February. I am looking for a JL Audio subwoofer setup, and any recommended amps. I am wondering how much 2 12" JLW3v2's with a box / amp would cost and how it would sound. If any of you have ideas for me, I'd love to hear them. I want the subs to be pretty loud. I have a Sony Headunit already.

w3s won't get loud
but... depending on how much money you want to spend.
alot of people on her will be able to help you out.
or go to
soundsolutionsaudio.com

Sell the sony, buy an alpine 9835, screw the JL's and go with a adire Brahma, and use a cadence amp. Total cost - near $1500. Seriously, how much do you have to spend? (beat ya to it sr20)

JLs are fine..., but wont get too loud. As for the Sony headunit, Keep it only if it is the newest high end model. Otherwise toss it. Only real reason you should toss the JLs is cause the cost way too dang much and there are better subs for less.

Although the 12w3v2's aren't the loudest subs around they do have the ability to get fairly loud in the right box. They also have EXCELLENT sq. A better choice that I would reccomend is 2 re audio se 12's. They won't cost any more then the 12w3v2's, but they will get MUCH louder and still maintain good sound quality. They're usually around 375 for a pair shipped brand new from re. For the power it really depends on you budget. A hifonics brutus bx1500d would be great for the pair and will run you around 250 shipped with with warranty off of ebay. If you want to step it up a bit look at elemental designs nine.1. Some other good choices would be anything from cadence, phoenix gold, memphis, directed, and tru technology (mucho $$) to name a few for amps. As far as other sub combinations go..... two adire shivas though they wouldn't quite have the output of the se's, incriminator audio, one re audio xxx, a brahma from adire, jl w6v2's (very over priced) re sx's, another good coice would be to try to find a pair of used SExxx's from re. Websites are: www.reaudio.com www.adireaudio.com www.edesignaudio.com www.maxxsonics.com www.trutechnology.com www.visionaryaudio.com (good place to buy re and adire) www.incriminatoraudio.com Also a budget would be nice to know so we know what you can afford.

I don't want to be spending too much, but if I could get a decently loud setup for the price of what the 2 RE SE's / ED Nine. 1 would cost me that would be fine. I have not been to an audio store so I can only compare them to what I actually have heard in someone's car. Can anyone give me how many watt's the 2 RE's would need? Would the ED Nine.1 be a good amp to power them? Would one 12" Adire Brahma be better than two RE Se's, and if not, how about the 15" (pretty expensive, might not be able to power it?) ? Would they sound pretty loud if I used that amp? Any other information / good setups are welcomed!

The phreak how much do you want to spend on an amp? I can get you a tsunami 1100 for around 210 plus shipping.

I'd say for a estimate of how much I want to spend about anything up to $1000 (includes subs/box/amp). That's all I can afford.

$1000 can buy you a ton

Single 15" brahma or xxx and a hifonics brutus 1500d or eD nine.1. Believe me, you will NEVER have to worry about not having enough output, especially if you go ported....

$1000 can buy you a ton

Single 15" brahma or xxx and a hifonics brutus 1500d or eD nine.1. Believe me, you will NEVER have to worry about not having enough output, especially if you go ported....

Yeah, I want to go ported. How much will that run me?

GET A Tsunami 1100d amp. It is a good deal...

nine.1 - $340 or so shipped
Brahma or XXX 15 - $450 or so shipped
wiring - $50 maybe
box - depends on if you build it yourself or not, either $50 or $175

Total - $890 to $1015

nine.1 315 shipped...

that's shipped?

well nm then, drop $25 from the totals in that case

Ben said everything was shipped price last I asked him about it...

Ben said everything was shipped price last I asked him about it...

And this will be loud? For $1000 I hope so. :-(

Tsunami 1100d

My friend has 2 12'' W3v2's in the back of his car with a JL audio 500/1 amp. Sounds awsome. Best combination. I think JL is the way to go. Of course their are some big bucks involved with JL.

Is there anyway to find out what specs I'll need for a 15" XXX box? Their website really sucks, so if someone could help me on that it would be appreciated. I want it ported.

click on tech - > enclosures -> sq/sql volumes

Don't know why everyone hates on RE's site. One of the bests sites ever IMO.

hehe, I don't like it either....go figure

you also think size matters... we all know it is how you use it...

oh size definitely matters.....:)

15a owns brahma and you know it

my brahma touches me in my special place

your butt?

no, my bewbie

Damn, no one sells boxes 4 cubic feet. :-p

gotta go custom

How much SPL will a 15" XXX powered by a NINe.1 be?

ported at 50hz and 6.5 cubes, I got a 142.1 on the new audiocontrol mic the 190.

I would put an xxx in 4-5 cubes tuned to 28 or 30 hz with at least 50 sq in of port area. That tsunami is a damn good deal I would be all over it if I didn't just purchase a gxa1000d. If your gunna go with a brahma though the box wouldn't need to be as big. Around 3 cubes for it maybe 4 at the very most.

No no no no. for 4 cubes use 48-64 sqin of port area. for 5 cubes use 60-80sqin of port area. Its been proven over and over that subwoofers which reach high excursions and play lowe frequincies (below 40Hz) 12-16sqin of port area per cubic foot of enclosure volume is best for SPL and SQ and SQL. it provides adiquite air movement without over working the port. ive seen a single xxx10 in an SPL set up inside a Chevy cavi do 146.5dB. a single xxx 15 in a SQ set up will say high 130's easy. the XXX in a properly ported enclosure reacest maximum excursion at around 800w. anymore and all you get is distortion and suspension damage. though it takes as much as 1200w RMS on each coil to fry the coil (its a beautiful woofer). If all yo uwant is SPL then you may even look at DD 3500 series. they are cheaper than an XXX and will get nearly as loud with almost the same SQ. and as for getting the box built. build it yourself or take it to a local audio shop THAT KNOWS WHAT HTEY ARE DOING and have htem build it. dont just go up there and say i want a 4.5 cube box built for this woofer tuned to 30Hz either. tell them the following. and if the build it and it isnt right demand your money back (if possible pay for it after it is built). tell them the folowing:
-Volume of the enclosure
-use 3/4" MDF
-corner braces are a must
-MDF internal braces on at least the 4 major axis's are a must
-Tuneing. tell them what port area and what port length...you figure out the tuneing before hand. there is a tutorial on JLaudio.com with an equasion. that is one thing i will give JL, they sound good and the preech proper porting
-Tell them to include the woofers space to be included in the enclosure (net enclosure volume is what counts)
-Tell them that no matter what their gay boss told them, port volume has nothing to do with tuneing and is not part o the net enclosure volume
-ask for labor per hour cost. ask about material cost. if they tell you once 4x8 sheet of MDF is $40 then tell them you will buy the material for them to build with (around here a 3/4' 4x8 sheet is like $22 at home depot.

im telling yo uthis because hte 3 audio shops around here know nothing about wireing (they wired a friend JLw6's in series giving the amp a 24ohm load. the amp wasnt a JL amp but was stable down to 1ohm where it put out the 600w the woofers where craving, i rewired the woofers to paralell in the parking lot between classes... he was about to sell the system for 2 w7's untill i did that and gave him the perfomance he wanted...he later layed my way into an all yo ucan drink keg party), enclosure efficency (claiming that sealed is far louder than ported), or how to build an enclosure (they told me that all that matters when tuning a port is port volume...not true).

Ok w/e u said was very confusing but port area is not an exact science basically the more the louder but looser sound smaller ports are still louder then sealed but provide a tighter bass alignment (you can't go too small though) And I wanna see this xxx 10 that hit a 146.5 and was that on a termlab? doubtful. And unlike the brahma the xxx's usually handle more power in most boxes unless its a HUGE box.....In 4 cubes an xxx 15 will have no problem with full opwer as long as a ssf is in use.

I really have no clue what you guys are saying :-\ I'll just go to a shop I guess with some of that info you gave and try to get something out of it, or ask a friend :-\

Can someone tell me exactly what I'll need if I want to buy a 15" XXX an a NINe.1? I have a SONY CDXM630 reciever.

wood to build a box (3/4 mdf) screws cualk drill carpet if u want.... 4 awg power and ground wire.... Rca cables.... reomote wire.... that's all the essentials

bumpinstang77, larger port area does not nessicarily mean more sound. As i stated above, you want 12-16in^2 port area for every 1ft^3 of net enclosure volume. That is for high excursion car audi woofers. most programs used for designing boxes and enclosures will reccomend a port for home audio use. home audio ports can be much smaller due to the fact that they usually have less power. the key to a loud port is perfect port velocity. a port is doesnt have enough area you end up with basically a leaky enlosure. you make a port too large and its like an infinite baffle with a hole in it (cancelation). The Technical term for a ported enclosure is Bass Reflux. Reflux-To return back agian. a sound wave is a compression wave. air moveing back and forth in rapin motion. dont think of a port as a vent. think of it as a colum of air moving as one unit. the colum is too large it barely moves at all and sound it lost. the colum is too small and in order to keep up it must move faster and farther, sound is distorted and may cause port noise; over work the woofer.

so now that we have port area down lets talk about port length. the larger the port area the longer the port must be. here is a formula to remember.
-Lets call Tuneing Frequincy (F)
-Lets call port area in square inches (A)
-Lets call Net Volume in in^3 (V)
-Lets call the length of the port (L)
-(sqrt) is square root. thats for everything inside the brakets

the equasion is F= 0.159 (sqrt)[ A*(1.84*10^8) / V*(L+0.823*(sqrt){A}]

ok, got that? good.

Lets say we are tuning to 30Hz
so F=30
and we have 4ft^ net volume
so 4*1728=6912; V=6912
We have 60in^2 of port area
so A=64

ive got HW to do so you do the math...

now that we got all that lets use SPELL CHECKER for or reflux (reflex) equasions (equations) tuneing (tuning) frequincy (frequency) sorry don't mean to be an ass but it really makes u look a lot smarter spelling right. and with the port area thing....you can go smaller then 12 sqin/ft and bigger then 16 sqin/ft Yea its common sense you can't go to big but basically the smaller w/o being too small results in tighter more accurate bass with less output and bigger results in looser sloppier bass with louder output. Also port area is dependent upon the sub and its parameters. So the phreak back on topic........... if you go with the xxx15 a nice box with good spl and sq would be 4 cubes tuned to 30 hz. Using around 60 sqin of port area. example would be 16*35*20 exterior deminsions, which will give you around 5.2 cubes before all your displacements Then the port would be 14.5 tall x 4 in wide. The port would need to be 26.5 inches long and will displace .875 cubes.... your sub will displace .2 (i think not listed on re)thattl leave you with 4.125 cubes which is ideal. Where are you located? Do u have an aim s/n? I can help u get everything setup so you don't have to play a fortune for a local shop doing it...... let me know.

I'm located on the Jersey Shore and my sn is GodOfSoccer4.

enter the slotted port...

now that we got all that lets use SPELL CHECKER for or reflux (reflex) equasions (equations) tuneing (tuning) frequincy (frequency) sorry don't mean to be an ass but it really makes u look a lot smarter spelling right. and with the port area thing....you can go smaller then 12 sqin/ft and bigger then 16 sqin/ft Yea its common sense you can't go to big but basically the smaller w/o being too small results in tighter more accurate bass with less output and bigger results in looser sloppier bass with louder output. Also port area is dependent upon the sub and its parameters. So the phreak back on topic........... if you go with the xxx15 a nice box with good spl and sq would be 4 cubes tuned to 30 hz. Using around 60 sqin of port area. example would be 16*35*20 exterior deminsions, which will give you around 5.2 cubes before all your displacements Then the port would be 14.5 tall x 4 in wide. The port would need to be 26.5 inches long and will displace .875 cubes.... your sub will displace .2 (i think not listed on re)thattl leave you with 4.125 cubes which is ideal. Where are you located? Do u have an aim s/n? I can help u get everything setup so you don't have to play a fortune for a local shop doing it...... let me know.

stupid :banghead: stupid :banghead: stupid :banghead:
I never said YOU CANT. i said for optimal performance 12-16sqin per cuft of enclosure volume is best. and not an extremely small port doesnt result in tighter, more accurate bass. it resultes in a windbag because its basically a leaky acoustic suspension enclosure. a port too large wont give optimal port velocity and will result in it being quieter in some frequincies because it will F*** the delay up resulting in cancelation. play around in WinISP. though this program is written for home audio and smaller ports can usually be used in the home because home audio woofers usually have less power put to them and arent capable of the same types of excursion. im sorry im lazy and dont care all that much about spelling or good typing but at least completely read my posts before argueing a point with false backround.

blahblah quit arguing and try to help the guy out instead of tryin to be a techie.

Bumpinstang... look at getting a new amp soon. Gaurenteed that Gxa1000d will crap out on you. Mine did multiple times after being fixed each time...

hmm...mine's been great so far but i am geting a new amp.... I already got an avionixx 1200.2 that I'm gettin within the next month or two.

bumpinstang, mine ran great for a few months and then out of no where went up in flames. That model was canceled for that reason.

hmm... guess ill sell REAL quick

that is my suggestion