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Crvett69
10-25-2004, 08:03 PM
hope someone can help with this. just picked up a 94 metro with a bad engine (piston #1 was in pieces in the pan) bought one of those japanese engines for $300 with 1 year 12000 mile warranty. installed engine and now it has a problem, not sure if it was from before or is something wrong with new motor. when cold it is hard to start, starts fine when warm. main problem is when you want to drive it down the road, does ok in 1st and part of second gear and gets worse in higher gears, does not want to accelerate, if you give it more gas it slows down, if you let up on gas or pump pedal it will speed up. speed tops out at 50mph in 4th gear. won't pull at all in 5th gear. engine revs fine when your not in gear, just doesn;t want to pull driving down road. have replaced wires, car, rotor plugs gas filter etc no change, also replace entire intake and throttle body with a spare one i had so all the sensors have been swapped out, still has same problem. only code from computer is code 12. hope someone can help with problem. also for someone doing engine swaps i find best way is to pull engine and tranny out the top together then take them apart on the floor, took me about 45 minutes to pull engine out the top using a floor jack and engine hoist.
thanks for any help

Zogboy
10-25-2004, 10:51 PM
have you checked for draging brakes?
is the compression ok?
is the clucth ok? oil on it or bad perssure plate?
maybe the timing is off a few degrees or it could be the wrong year for your on board computer check the numbers

Crvett69
10-26-2004, 01:13 AM
seems to coast fine so don't think brakes are dragging, just acts like engine has no power. the intake and exaust manifold and dist are off the old motor so should be right ones. even tried swapping intake and throttle body to a spare i had, same problem. fuel filter is new and fuel pressure is at 15 psi, seems low but book says 13-20 is normal. this thing is driving me nuts

Nalfein
10-26-2004, 01:45 AM
Does it idle high when warming up?
I know this sounds funny, but check your coolant level. If it lags when you floor it, it might be a waterpump problem.

Crvett69
10-26-2004, 01:52 AM
nope, idle is 700 when warm, just filled radiator up again after i changed intake and throttle body. stumbles when you give it lots of gas and won't go over 50. have to let up on gas to get it to smooth out and slowly pick up speed

crazyinkc
10-26-2004, 08:14 AM
Timing belt a tooth off? sounds like it is 1 or 2 teeth retarded.

Crvett69
10-26-2004, 04:19 PM
never messed with timing belt, was way motor came from japan, ignition timing is correct so doubt belt is off at all, will check though

tavarish
10-26-2004, 06:12 PM
what happens when you buy a GEO.

;)

SeanMurphy
10-27-2004, 12:24 PM
Go back under your bridge, Troll.

mik13usa
10-27-2004, 06:06 PM
really, I don't think the 98 Maxima is all that! so Be careful tavarish ... I like the Troll reference Sean! LOL

Staypuff
10-27-2004, 08:38 PM
where did you buy your engine from???? site???? post link

tavarish
10-27-2004, 09:55 PM
oh, it's all in good fun...

I've driven one of friend's Geo Metros, and she loves her car. I can't understand why, but hey, i guess your car, especially your first car holds a place in your heart.

I didnt mean to offend anyone, just in a geo metro forum, someone complaining of a lack of power was just too funny to me, a car that has 65hp stock.

i'm not a troll, but i'd like to say that I believe my maxima's alot more refined than ANY Geo. I DO believe it is all that, just like you believe your cars are all that and a bag of doritos ;)

SeanMurphy
10-28-2004, 12:10 AM
I think the main difference between a Maxima and a Metro is that a Metro sold for under $10,000CDN off the lot, and you'd never find a vehicle better engineered for that money. They go forever, compared to cheap American cars, need very little in terms of repair or attention, and have very pleasant Japanese styling and engineering. The engine, while small, is reliable. The styling was modern for its time, even the new Aveo, Focus, Protege 5, what have you, don't make the 97-2001 Metro look out of style. Additionally, the interior, while being cheap plastic and fabrics, actually fit together right and don't snap as soon as you touch them. Not even a brand new Honda can say that. I install aftermarket electronics for vehicles all day long, alarms, stereos, remote starters, etc. Nearly all 'cheap' cars, as well as many expensive ones are quite a hassle to remove panels for such work. Honda panels are brittle, American panels never fit back together right, and so forth. The Metro has a simple design that allows for quick and easy access to anything like that, but still looks relatively stylish, if a bit sparse.

Just because a car isn't the fastest thing on the road, doesn't mean it doesn't have it's merit. Not all of us need to go 0-60 in under 10 seconds. Not all of us need to brag about our quarter mile times. The Metro is inexpensive, but there's a difference between that and cheap.

tavarish
10-28-2004, 11:45 AM
I bought my Maxima for $6200 USD. Used, of course, I believe that it is engineered much better than a Geo, the VQ engine has been in the World's top ten best engines for the last nine years, so when I drive my car, i know it's dependable. I've seen Maximas with 300,000 miles on them and still running strong. I'm sure Geos have those numbers, but if you drive most any car regularly, and moderately, with a light foot, your car will last you. I like my car because it's sporty, fast, handles great, and has some luxury elements. Nothing has gone wrong with the car, and it was relatively cheap for me, being my first car.

And american cars can be reliable, as reliable as Foreign cars, look at saturn. Obviously Geo is an american car. The "being made out of cheap plasic" thing doesn't really appeal to me, i dont want a car that looks like a toy.

;)

SeanMurphy
10-28-2004, 12:19 PM
Geo's aren't american cars. And saturn is no different than any other GM car now, they share the same drivetrain as the Cavalier / Sunfire now (Ecotec). Geo Metros and Trackers were made by Suzuki, Geo Storms were made by Isuzu. Last I checked, neither of those are American car companies. Geos were SOLD by GM, but weren't designed or built by.

tavarish
10-28-2004, 01:54 PM
point taken, but it was still sold as american.

geozukigti
10-28-2004, 02:46 PM
And so is the Chevy Aveo(Daewoo), Chevy Tracker(Suzuki), Chrysler Crossfire(Mercedes), Ford Probe(Mazda), Chevy Prizm(Toyota), Geo Storm(Isuzu), Saturn Vue(Isuzu), Pontiac GTO(Holden). Doesn't make them American cars. The Geo Metro/Chevy Sprint/Pontiac Firefly are all Suzuki Swift's. Which in maky parts of the world, rally cars. And yes, they're FAST. They've even competed in such events as WRX(World Rallycross) and Pike's Peak hillclimb. Find me a Nissan that can run at 5,400RPM's for an 11 hour drive down I-75(Detroit to Nashville), and still run, and I'll give you a medal. OH, and do it on $15 worth of gas too. Suzuki motors are far more refined than a Nissan. The 1.0L 3cyl and 1.3L 4cyl have been in production almost un-changed since 1984. They never get praise because they're not performance motors, they're economy motors. They may only have 55-75hp, but they only push an 1800LB car. Obviously, it's not a problem for an economy car or they would have changed that 20 years ago. Now, if you wanna talk power, i'll bet ya $50 my Geo will take your Nissan any day of the week ;)(check my links) And yes, it's a genuine Suzuki production motor. And yes, they were put in the Suzuki swift. So it's not an out-of-class motor. It's an SCCA approved setup. No JDM(like honda kids do), no NOS, no turbo. Pure high revving N/A power. Lemme know when Nissan can get 150hp out of a 1.3L with stock internals and stock fuel system :screwy:

tavarish
10-29-2004, 01:10 AM
I can't guarantee you that I can do it on 15 dollars worth of gas, but yes, I'm fairly certain that a Nissan can embark on an 11 hour trip at that RPM, most Nissan's aren't economy cars though. Nissans have been in the Le Mans (24 hour race) since 1986, and the engine designs aren't much different from their showroom counterparts. Ever heard of the Calsonic Skyline GTR? It uses the same basic Engine as a maxima, the VQ. Nissans have raced in the Dakar Rally, a 6,500 mile race that spans 4 countries.

..pushing only 55-75 hp on an 1800lb. car.
stock, I pushed 190hp on a 3000lb. car

stock to stock, i had almost twice the power to weight ratio.
I'm not going to argue who's car is faster, because i dont know what you might have, and likewise for yourself, you don't know what's under my hood.

I don't know what Suzuki Swift had 150hp stock with a NA 1.3L motor, perhaps you could help me with that. By the way, how much torque did it produce?

It's not a problem for an economy car, because that's what it is, our cars are in different classes, and built with different things in mind. If the Geo wasn't an economy car, perhaps more R&D would have gone into creating an engine that produces more power, but that obviously wasnt the case, it's a car that saves you money, gets you there from point a to point b, and is made from the cheapest materials.

I still think a lack of power from a Geo is funny.
Maybe it's just me :)

Crvett69
10-29-2004, 01:25 AM
purchased the engine from Aoneengine.com, they get $300 for the G10 metro engines with 1 year/12000 mile warrenty

Staypuff
11-01-2004, 10:43 AM
where did ya get the engine???

Crvett69
11-18-2004, 08:25 PM
turned out problem with with car was bad fuel pump, it was putting out right pressure but not enough volume. changed it and now its fine

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